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Apology posted:This could get mighty ugly. How could that not end well for them? "People, I'm sure some of you have heard of a instability happening with our neighbors as people looking for freedom and democratic reform face off against their authoritative dictator. But don't worry, I, your authoritative dictator, have sent your sons and brothers to destroy those peaceful protesters."
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Patter Song posted:The way it ends "well" is by cowing them through violence. "Well" is in quotation marks for obvious reasons: it's a horrendous outcome for everyone else and only a short-term "win" for the regime. What I ment was Saudi Arabia, whose people can see just as well as anyone what's happening in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc, have their leaders wander off to another country and out and out show they are as much the protest-crushing dictatorial assholes that people in other countries are trying to overthrow.
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Feb 18, 2011 03:25
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Xandu posted:
I was going to give an editorial about the recent posts dancing around the reason why the US stays out, but after seeing that I won't. It seems incredibly unimportant now.
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Feb 19, 2011 06:18
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Apology posted:Edit: Looky what we have here: I can't believe they would change a sign that says this to instead say that. They would never say anything like that. They strongly are in favor of this. Can anyone translate?
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Feb 20, 2011 00:33
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Jut posted:Where I suggested that maybe America stays the gently caress out of this for a change, and let's the respective countries work things out for themselves, instead of the US getting involved and manipulating the situation to benefit themselves at the expense of other populations. You know...repeating history and all that. I personally think they have been getting involved in their affairs and it was (for once) actually a good thing. When you look at the time frame: 1- President gives speech in support of Iran protests, says the difference from Egypt is Iran's using violence to suppress it. 2- Bahrain, with Saudi blessing, decides crush them all is a good tactic to take with their protesters. 3- Hillary gives a rambling, backpedaling interview that sounds like she's suffering from a head injury when the contradiction is brought up. 4- Bahrain's leaders suddenly decides instead of crushing the protesters, they want to negotiate with them. I have a feeling between 3 and 4 someone from the state department gave a call to Bahrain and said to them "You assholes, you made us look stupid. You best fix this and fix it now or there will only be an empty base between you and Iran."
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Feb 20, 2011 22:59
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Jut posted:I doubt it, I'm betting that the rest of the GCC have put pressure on Bahrain not to gently caress things up for the rest of them. Having lived out in Qatar for two years, I can tell you that out of all the GCC countries, Bahrain is the weakest link. But Saudi Arabia was in full support of the crackdown. Would the other be willing to go against them for something they probably aren't overly concerned about (UAE won't have their Emirates complain about their lot in life during all this). If not, some sort of heavy pressure must have came down on Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, or both for such a major change of heart. But we'll play "what REALLY happened behind the scenes?" later. I'm more interested in leaving the thread open for what's happening in Libya right now.
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Feb 21, 2011 00:02
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Brown Moses posted:Now he's talking about African illegal immigrants causing trouble. He sure speaks professionally for a guy rambling gibberish. Edit: We're not like Egypt or Tunisia, we have oil. 
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Feb 21, 2011 00:14
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Toplowtech posted:He's speaking far too much and isn't saying nearly enough. Also "OIL". Was thinking more his poses and expressions without "ums". He looks like a CEO who practiced a bad news speech for weeks, not a guy rambling tales of African illegal immigrants who broke out of jail to drunkenly drive tanks around oil fields.
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Feb 21, 2011 00:24
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Brown Moses posted:Haha, now he's saying that William Hague's phone call to him implied that Britain would occupy Libya. It was awfully considerate of Britain to call before hand to let them know they're planning on invading and taking their oil. Wow, even us Canadians are plotting their overthrow now. Homeroom Fingering fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Feb 21, 2011 |
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Feb 21, 2011 00:30
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Alex Otextin posted:They did nothing. Despite the general in charge of the operation screaming bloody murder. "Well the US doesn't want to get involved in Africa after what happened in Somalia so we, the UN, aren't going to do a drat thing."
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Feb 22, 2011 09:11
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killing_fields posted:Do you guys think this is all caused, or maybe helped by the wikileaks cables? I've skipped a page or two here and there and I don't know if it's been covered. It affected it as much as Obama's freedom speech in Egypt, Bush's speeches of bringing democracy to the middle east, and the fart I let out in the grocery store yesterday.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:20
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Znorps! posted:I'm at the airport and can barely hear what he's saying. Can anyone give a transcript or summary of what he's saying? "Batshit rambling insanity" is about as accurate of a summary as you're going to get.
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Feb 22, 2011 17:10
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Yaos posted:Here's a video from the 20th in Iran. It looks like a tiny protest, but they just keep coming. No blood or gore. Seeing that and the videos from their previous protest, I think Iranian protesters must have the bum's rush down to a science. "Wait for it, wait for it. THERE! The 3rd guy to the left stumbled throwing that rock. Charge!"
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Feb 24, 2011 07:40
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Although it seems more like hype trying to expand the Middle East protests, Al-Jazeera has this up. Protest fever reaches Vietnam - http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia-pacific/2011/02/201122611524710573.html There's no real article to it, just a video report. Couldn't find much information anywhere else, searching for Vietnam Protests just ends up with pages of hippies from the 60s.
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Feb 26, 2011 23:33
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Averrences posted:providing arms is the worst possible thing they could do right now, legitimising Ghaddafi's whole 'western interference' schtick could cause some monstrous consequences, I'm really loving glad you americans didnt elect Mccain Not that I intend to defend that senile old codger, but what people say should be done when not in power, and what they do when they are in power tend to be two different things. Giving them arms is only beaten by bombing them in the list of worst things to do. What would probably be best if they wanted to interfere would be to get an international no fly zone going, then doing our specialty, none too subtle help. "Well we heard Libya was in trouble so we sent shipments of food, water, and medicine. However it looked too dangerous for our planes to land in Tripoli so we rerouted to Benghazi. The guys at the airport said they were from the Libyan government so we gave it to them."
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Feb 27, 2011 23:14
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I think the peoples' opinions in North Korea, like everything else there, are impossible to tell because how locked down they are. Like the earlier example of the guy getting his sight fixed immediately thanking Kim's portrait, there is no way of telling if he truly believed that or if he did it because he knew full well what would happen if he didn't. With a foreigner around there was probably plenty of police there before, during, and after. What I'm more curious about what South Korea would do if major (horribly violent) protests broke out in North Korea. Hell, the crazy bastard would probably blame them for the protests and fire whatever he has at Seoul before going down.
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Feb 28, 2011 06:36
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Well I assume as soon as the jets get there. The question is: what are they going to target? Do they attack deployed forces they are tracking in the east, or do they wipe out as many known military installations and assets in the west/tripoli as soon as possible? Will they even target buildings and military sites? I would imagine one group goes screaming towards the rebel territory and gets prepared for close air support in case one of CG's men so much as coughs towards a civilian while a second group slowly doddles outside of effective range directly over CG territory in case someone with more balls than brains wants to suddenly become a smoking crater.
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Mar 18, 2011 02:13
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El-ahrairah posted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (R) of South Carolina called on the Obama administration to be “at least as bold as the French." If nothing else at least it's an improvement from the usual "BROWN SKINNED MUSLIM TERRORISTS!" 
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Mar 18, 2011 02:39
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killing_fields posted:Their one sub pops up out of nowhere, right in front of Tripoli. Slowly, a mighty red maple leaf expands over the bow. They open the hatch to let the deadly smoke out while a Hornet falls apart and crashes on it would be the most likely scenario.
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Mar 19, 2011 02:31
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t3ch3 posted:Still, it appears that the likely result of this "Yes" vote will be a new government with a large representation from the Muslim Brotherhood and it will be very interesting to see how the US and Israel react to that. I'm more worried about how groups like Al Qaeda and their ilk react that the group that they have been denouncing for so long for having a hopeless peaceful plan to get power managed to do what they couldn't. I having a feeling their reaction won't be a change of heart on the use of violence.
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Mar 20, 2011 20:15
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Zappatista posted:Given the response from the Arab League to the air strikes, the Doubtful, even a lunatic fumbles into a correct action every so often. I don't think anyone smart would, after the UN announces the NFZ, call a cease fire then try moving troops into the rebel base. What the hell did he think would happen? Does he think the US, British, and French are notorious jokesters when it comes to military threats? Did he figure the rebels would just stand there and watch him roll into town because he said there was a cease fire?
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part of me is wondering whether Ghadaffi's plan has a chance of succeeding in keeping him in power, destabilizing the coalition and improving his stock in the Arab world. Maybe the bastard's a lot smarter than we've given him credit for.
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cioxx posted:Throwing a shitfit and ducking the question isn't helping your argument. It's a simple "yes" or "no" question. And Nonsense, if Mrs. Nonsense were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? 
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Rnr posted:Driving home I heard in the radio that after 4 sorties with no action the Danish F-16's finally bombed something. My war porn I see your bombing run and raise you an ammo depot. quote:The Canadian raid reportedly destroyed an ammunition depot. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-cf-18s-bomb-libyan-depot-first-attack-20110323-102102-603.html I had to read it a couple of times to make sure I didn't misread, but yep we hit a target from a CF-18, not with a CF-18! 
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Well NATO decided who's going to be in charge.quote:Canadian general Charles Bouchard is taking over command of NATO's military operations in Libya. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-gen-charles-bouchard-taking-over-command-natos-20110325-082154-632.html Don't normally come into SA from work, but after reading the dipshit comments on there I needed to follow along somewhere where people are at least informed in the slightest. Did you know that it's a unilateral US oil grab that's killing more civilians than Gadaffi does that's going to make Canada a target for terrorists? 
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Nonsense posted:Everybody is a dipshit except you, right. Also please keep posting from work! When you have people saying "Muslims are always killing each other, why would you want to stop them?", if anything said about China's actions during this action that isn't out and out hostility is done by one of THEM working undercover, and how this operation is all a Zionist plot I wouldn't think it's too judgemental to consider them dipshits.
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Mar 25, 2011 20:47
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Brown Moses posted:BREAKING: V. credible reports that Gaddafi and family are trying to secure an exit before the meeting in London on Tuesday. I have faith that Gaddafi will find a way to gently caress it up. He could get a safe haven lined up and go in with the full intention of offering full resignation if allowed to safely leave, but once people are listening to him he'll go into some rambling tirade how Zionist Al-Qaeda members are forcing the US to use hallucinogenic chemtrails on his people under the orders of Swiss Al Jazeera reporters and he'll be stuck in Libya.
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Going by Wiki (yeah I know) and checking with Al Jazeera: - Ben Ali had a stroke on Feb 17 in Saudi Arabia and suffered severe complications. There hasn't been any other word about him since then. There is currently a Interpol arrest warrant for him. - Mubarak's location and health are almost completely rumors, but on Feb 28 the General Prosecutor of Egypt issued an order prohibiting Mubarak and his family from leaving Egypt so he's probably still in the country. - Gaddafi's still in Libya, either in Tripoli or a desert hideout, probably blaming a house plant for the rebel's recent advance.
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Mar 28, 2011 00:03
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Slantedfloors posted:I literally cannot imagine a news story or press release that could reek of more desperation or cause more ridicule than this. I mean, holy poo poo, he's saying that there are genies in the Libyan army. GENIES. They ain't never had a friend like him.
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Mar 28, 2011 04:56
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Contraction mapping posted:This is basically how I'm beginning to feel. However, as others have said, it may very well be that the rebel commanders are simply telling their units to flee in disarray, in hopes of enticing Gadaffi's forces to give chase and get turned into crispy critters by NATO air strikes. I doubt it. A feigned retreat then regroup would take a lot of training and organization, both of which the rebel forces don't seem to have.
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Mar 30, 2011 22:41
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Young Freud posted:I'm wondering if the rebel army prohibiting journalist is less about them reporting positions and more to keep the attention-seekers from getting in the way. I would imagine it's so if they have to retreat it doesn't look like some pitiful mass panicked flee being broadcast worldwide like the last time.
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Pedrophile posted:I don't think we need to read "Brega burns to ground due to rebel misuse of flamethrowers" You scoff, but you'll sure feel stupid when Gadaffi releases his elite killer bee swarms on them.
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Xandu posted:It belongs on a Mi-24 helicopter, pictured below, and there's not a chance in hell it will be accurate when it goes off. That's what you see when it goes off, not being accurate? Because I see half the rebels in the immediate area dead and the other half on fire.
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Contraction mapping posted:I think it would work. Provided you're trying to shoot the driver. It's on backwards. Homeroom Fingering fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Apr 10, 2011 |
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Apr 10, 2011 02:06
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quote:Under her brother Seif’s unofficial leadership, she said, the Libyan government had been on the verge of unveiling a constitution as a step toward democratic reform when “this tragedy happened and spoiled things.” Oh we were JUST about to form a democracy. And we were JUST about to invest heavily in the east. And we were JUST about to announce free candy Tuesday but those eastern terrorists ruined it. Nope, too late, now you get nothing. Aha, I bet you feel stupid now.
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quote:a Libyan government spokesman said And that reason is why I think I'll wait until further information is given. Maybe this time they'll be able to find the house when they drive reporters out. I wouldn't put it past Gadaffi to shoot his own son for trying to get him to give up.
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quote:A Libyan woman who was introduced as a social affairs official from Misrata told us: "All children killed in Misrata have been killed by Nato air strikes." Looks like Nato is using its child-homing cluster bombs in Libya. It's a popular choice for democracies on a civilian protection mission. Thanks for keeping the thread up to date all.
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ChaosSamusX posted:Have - in fact - any of the street movements in the Middle East whatsoever been linked to any amount of support for Iran? When they first started Iran was vocally supportive of Yemen and Egypt overthrowing their Western backed dictators. Then when people started getting vocal in Iran, they brutally cracked down and shut their pie holes. They haven't said anything about what's happening to their friends in Syria, probably because they're preoccupied with their crippling Djinn problem.
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May 17, 2011 05:45
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Pedrophile posted:No, you put $5 on "kidnapped and used for propaganda purposes" I'll put $5 on "human shield", but I haven't decided if it will be on willing or unwilling.
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May 29, 2011 05:03
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Xandu posted:Would you bring your family to a protest against the government if you knew that was going to happen to your child? No. I would be bringing whatever guns and homemade bombs I can get my hands on to the protest instead. Actions like that are a good way to speed up the trip to full on civil war.
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Xandu posted:Weird article from Saudi Arabia about Palestine. Nothing weird about that. When democracy and rights are brought up for their country, long rambling speeches about Palestine and Israel which has nothing to do with the topic at hand seems to be par for the course for Arab dictatorships. Wasn't that pretty much the first defense of the Syria government when their protests started?
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