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So, Erdogan gets his ego fed while the SDF retains actual, concrete support?
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fade5 posted:There's a difference between "we refuse to work with you because of this" and "we're gonna chase away your SOF and threaten to murder them if they come back". It's shocking how bad at basic diplomatic procedures some regimes are. If Erdogan was halfway competent there would be no reason for the west to be so supportive of the PYD, and yet here we are.
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thatfatkid posted:So you're saying that they weren't actually "peaceful protestors" and were instead actively attempting to overthrow their government? Cool. Glad we agree. There were a large number of peaceful protestors, Gaddafi had the army fire at the peaceful protestors, and as a result a decent chunk of the army defected to protect the protestors, and Gaddafi was later overthrown. Obviously this was a process that happened over a number of weeks, but there's still an incredibly basic cause and effect here.
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Sep 20, 2016 03:29
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Czer posted:I mean, I won't be as owned as the rebels, they will actually die. So i'll take that salt. Fascist politicide apologists are like bedbugs in this thread. One will just show up every once in a while.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:You're still claiming that they've accomplished something that, say, no socialist regime has been able to pull off. Yeah, I fully expect to see major changes within a generation or so. To be more precise, I fully expect to see major changes because of the next generation in Iran.
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Sep 29, 2016 17:08
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Sinteres posted:Erdogan is such a piece of poo poo. So I assume this isn't propaganda meant for us. To what extent does he care what the rest of NATO thinks about statements like this?
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Sep 30, 2016 04:16
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The US is actively supporting his enemies and the rest of NATO is both irrelevant and too busy banning burqas and frothing about refugee rape gangs to notice. Oh, I know that, but I still get the feeling that if push really, truly came to shove, the US would feel obligated to support him because Turkey is a member of NATO if for almost no other reason. Even after the insanity of the coup period, the administration still valued Turkey enough to send Biden to try to smooth things over. I don't know why he would want to poo poo on that relationship for seemingly no benefit whatsoever. But then again, Erdogan has been nothing the past few years if not an irrational actor.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:37
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Al-Saqr posted:1) that wont happen, because Turkey isn't Assad. Yes, this is all good and just because Kurds don't have children.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:24
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Al-Saqr posted:how the hell did you conclude that from everything I wrote. At no point did I say that. I said that if there's any SDF military positions between you and saving Aleppo, and the SDF wont get out of the way or wont help with saving Aleppo, then sorry, you have full permission to drive right through them to get to Aleppo. Except no you don't. You can't attack a third party who's in the way of your foreign policy aims. I mean, you can justify it in a realist sense of global interactions, but not in any sort of moral sense.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:40
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Al-Saqr posted:Listen, I agree, turkey is playing a dirty game, but in this case when it comes to Aleppo, It's not a foreign policy aim it's a human life and human rights aim, Aleppo is about to get genocided, if you're not helping stopping it and if you're going to try and stop people from stopping it, then you're not a third party but Youre actively helping the side doing the genociding, either step aside or get hosed. The Kurds have to toe a precarious political line between American and Russian interests if they want to not get annexed and brutalised by one of many hostile neighbours. Even giving the Turkish military access would break that precarious balance. Even that being said, if I thought the Turks were legitimately going to successfully lift the siege of Aleppo, I may even agree with you then. What is happening to the city because of Assad's reign of terror is a despicable atrocity against human dignity and I have no argument with you there. I just don't see the Turkish military directly taking action against the SAA, which is what would be needed to prevent the actual siege from collapsing. Meanwhile, if Erdogan had continued with his original plan of diplomacy with the PKK/PYD in order to secure political stability in the north, we could be looking at a situation much more favourable to the end of alleviating the siege. VikingSkull posted:Turkey, noted anti-genocide actor on the world stage Nobody is claiming that Turkey is firmly against human rights abuses, but Stalin did prevent atrocities by taking out the Nazi regime.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:56
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Is it possible that the poor performance of the Turkish military has anything to do with the recent purges? Or is that just digging for a factor that isn't really there?
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Oct 24, 2016 10:04
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Sinteres posted:
Knock poo poo like this off. I don't agree with everything Al-Saqr says, but pretending he's some sort of advocate for the Gulf States is completely disingenuous. Do I think his opinions on the SDF are a bit harsh? Yes. But he has had a pretty consistent track record of opposing Sunni, Shiite and Secular authoritarianism when it comes down to it. This is more than I can say about some posters' border-line/actual apologism for Assad.
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Oct 27, 2016 06:44
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Sinteres posted:My guess is that Hillary secretly hopes Aleppo falls before she takes office so it's not her problem and then they can cobble together a face-saving "no fly zone" in the areas Turkish and US backed rebels have already solidified a hold on. Russia doesn't give a poo poo about the Turkish border region, and has actively tried to get Assad to negotiate with the Kurds. Hasn't she tilted her hand to the effect of supporting the SDF over the Turkish-backed elements in Syria, though (via comments made during the debates)? One of my wilder hypotheses is that the reason Turkey picked now to intervene is because they're afraid her administration won't be as helpful to them.
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Oct 28, 2016 06:23
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This is the most surreal loving poo poo. It's like someone posted a Cosmo article interspersed with lines from Mein Kampf. 
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Nov 16, 2016 06:26
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Saladin Rising posted:One more three letter organization for the pile: SNR, Syrian National Resistance (or Syrian Patriotic Resistance). This is the name of the new hybrid SAA/SDF faction near Al Bab, and they kicked things off with a pretty strongly-worded statement: Any idea what this means in the long run? I'm wondering if the Russians convinced the regime to give the SDF the federalism they wanted.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:27
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I'm pretty sure the SDF see Assad less as an 'ally' and more of a 'lesser of multiple evils, sometimes'. Even if shooting incidents are kept to a minimum, the two factions are going to have something akin to a cold civil war once this is over. And like people have said, over is a relative term.
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Dec 4, 2016 22:04
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Al-Saqr posted:Oh hey like I said all along they're actually on the side of Assad all along. This is not remotely true. Remember that Turkish intervention in Syria that you were cheering for so loudly? That intervention guaranteed that Rojava and the regime would be closely aligned. If Erdogan had the diplomatic aptitude of a child playing Risk, this could have been avoided.
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Mar 30, 2017 06:10
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TildeATH posted:Of course there weren't. There were Greek-speaking Romans, Nabataeans, and Jews. So naturally, PartisanGirl would be an advocate of Reform Zionism under the supervision of European colonisation - after all, it's what the map says!
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In other news, it sounds like D-Day on Raqqa has begun right on time.
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