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Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

It's 1:30am in Libya at the moment, this has probably sent the country to sleep.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:37

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Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

He should really pick a theme and stick to it. It's like he's doing freeform jazz.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:38

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

BBC saying it was retarded.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:51

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Some poor sod at the Guardian just started up a new Live Blog

Apparently there's 4 protests in Tripoli at the moment.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 01:13

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

I heard that claimed a few times on AJE, but it's difficult to confirm anything at the moment.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 01:14

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Live blogs for today:
Guardian
AJE

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 09:42

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Yeah, saying "I'll step down in X months/years" hasn't exactly worked too well in other countries so far.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 09:44

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Abdullah Gul was pretty supportative of the democratic movements from the beginning, especially when compared to EU and US leaders. There was some talk of Turkey helping Egypt with the process of democratisation, not sure if that's actually happening though.
In other news, Tunisia wants their old leader extradited so they can ask him where he got those safes full of money and jewelery from:

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Tunisia, which set off the wave of protests that are sweeping the Arab world when they forced the country's president Ben Ali to flee, have called for his extradition so the 74-year-old, who faces allegations of involvement in "serious crimes", can face charges.
The former president fled to Saudi Arabia after widespread protests on January 14 and is reportedly in hospital in Jeddah. But the Tunisian foreign ministry has issued a statement calling for the Saudi authorities to hand him over.
"Following a further series of accusations levelled against the ousted president on charges related to his involvement in several serious crimes... Tunisia has requested his extradition," said a statement from the foreign ministry.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 10:18

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

You forgot the P.S:

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P.S There is a strong word in the street that Egyptians will return back to Al Tahrir square next Tuesday to down Ahmed Shafik.

Ham, what do you think of this cabinet?

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 10:29

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

BBC has a Live Blog up now.
Guardian
AJE

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 10:42

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Seems like Tripoli has now joined the fun:

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Reuters is reporting that a government building in Tripoli is on fire.
"I can see the People's Hall is on fire, there are firefighters there trying to put it out," a Reuters reporter said. The building is where the General People's Congress, or parliament, meets when it is in session in Tripoli. There were reports that protesters ransacked the state-run TV station in the capital last night, although it is broadcasting today.

Anyone know which hash tags are being used for Libya?

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 11:03

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

AJE is reporting a certain degree of chaos in Tripoli:

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Reports from news agencies, Twitter and witnesses speaking directly to Al Jazeera are painting a picture of semi-chaos overnight in Tripoli. It appears that some protesters from nearby towns converged on the city, and thousands from the capital itself turned out as well. They were allowed to march to the central Green or Martyrs' Square, which they occupied briefly before being confronted by security forces and pro-Gaddafi protesters, who came out in force after a late-night speech by Saif al-Gaddafi, the leader's son.

During the night, protesters have broken into and burned a number of government buildings, reportedly including: State television; the main courthouse; a large, centrally located bank; an intelligence agency building; at least two police stations - one in Souq Jamaa and one in Zawadahmany.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 11:28

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

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My name is Rahma, I am located in Tripoli right now, I am heading out to Fashloom area, they have heard that Fashloom is beginning to protest that � and other suburbs are sort of rioting and protesting anti-government, and because of these riots the cops as we speak are shooting live ammunition and grenades at them. I don't know � Beaten hard right now but Fashloom, Gergaresh and Zawiya street. These are streets, locations, suburbs, areas in Tripoli.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 11:40

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

BP is pulling out some of its workers:

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BP has confirmed it is withdrawing employees from Libya and suspended preparations for exploratory drilling for oil and gas.

"We'll be bringing some families and some dependents out of Libya and some non-essential staff," a spokesman said, adding that the company would bring staff home over the next two days.

BP does not produce any oil or gas in Libya but had been preparing an onshore rig to start drilling in the west of the country.

The spokesman said BP employs around 140 people in Libya, but only "around 40" of those were British. The spokesman could not confirm how many of the 40 would be brought back to the UK.

Most of the staff in the country are engaged in exploration work, mapping underground rock formations in a bid to identify suitable drilling sites.

There's also rumours that Libyan oil workers are striking.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 11:56

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

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In Egypt, the April 6 Youth Movement is calling for a day of protests in Tahrir Square, Cairo, tomorrow, which it is referring to as "the day of challenge". The group lists its demands:

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� Acquitting [sic] the current government.

� Abolition of the emergency law.

� The release of all detainees.

� The formation of a presidential council, including civilians, and fair judges.

� Retribution of [sic] all the media figures that have contributed in killing our martyrs.

� Acquitting [sic] the state security apparatus and restructuring of the ministry of interior as well as all of the NDP headquarters.

� Forming a new technocratic government.

� Aquitting [sic] the government led by Ahmed Shafik, which includes the foul faces that have a history of corruption such as Mufid Shehab, Aisha Abdel Hadi, Faiza Abu Naga, Sameh Fahmi, Ali Meselhi, Mahmoud Wagdy to be dismissed and Mhakthm and the formation of a new technocratic government.

Technocratic government: is a specialised government which doesn't belong to any party; this government is used in the case of political differences.

Our revolution and struggle will continue until we achieve all our demands.

The revolution is not finished yet ...

The group also calls for a sit-in in Tahrir Square on Friday.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 12:10

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Tripoli news:

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Moaad Taufik writes: "My uncle just called me from the Zawyiat Aldahmani district, central Tripoli. He went out to protest, with everybody else in tandem protesting peacefully against the regime. There is live gun fire echoing around the capital - and at this rate Tripoli will be free tonight. However, pro-Gaddafi agencies are handing out FREE meat, fish and nuts to all of those who join the pro-Gaddafi protests."

David Cameron has just arrived in Egypt as well.

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Feb 21, 2011

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 12:24

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

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The folks at Alive in Libya have posted another audio clip of a phone call from Tripoli overnight on Sunday. It confirms what we've been hearing: Protesters have burned, looted and destroyed a number of government buildings in the Libyan capital, including several police stations and "revolutionary committee" headquarters.

"Every so often we get news that an area has fallen in the hands of the protesters," the man said.

After protesters briefly took the capital's central square, they were confronted by by cars and land cruisers whose passengers opened fire "like it was a war".

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 12:46

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Update from the Guardian on Tripoli:

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A young lady in Tripoli sends the following. She says the Libyan people are "united" against Muammar Gaddafi. "This is the beginning for some and the end for others. Let's just pray that this can be done with the least deaths possible."

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Just wanted to let you know what's going down here in T-town [Tripoli] as of late. Things are beginning to heat up and the people are slowly waking up and reacting to the violence of the past couple of days.

Last night from around 9pm onwards people started barricading and patrolling their neighbourhoods. In the beginning all we could hear were fireworks and chants from both pro-regime and anti-regime groups. But the confusion is such that sometimes we couldn't tell them apart. At the end of the night I can almost guarantee that most of the (paid) pro-regime chanters here either decided to hide and switch sides or were beaten up by the protesters.

As the night progressed the rumours of anti-regime uprisings in the Green Square increased. People took his son's speech, which basically made us sound like a bunch of crack-sniffing criminals, as an insult. It was around that time when the sound of live ammunition began. This lasted well into the early morning. We don�t [know] much about how many people were shot, who was actually shooting etc etc. This is part of the problem. All information here is from word of mouth. Were hearing talks of there being a massacre of unprecedented scale; we're not sure if they mean in numbers or in indiscriminate shooting. Talks of various government buildings being burnt down. Mercenaries shooting right and left.

So that's the status quo of things here. Its currently 11am in the morning and things have calmed down. Quiet before the storm.

The general sentiment here is a mixed one. One of hope, fear and excitement. Fear not of being hurt or shot but of the unknown. Hope for change. Excitement for what's to come. There is a complete blackout of information. Nothing official, nothing confirmed. Who's winning, how many are dead. Who's still here? Who�s left running with their tail
between their legs. The only source of information that we have is that between each other.

I'm disgusted by the leaders of the international community and how they're being silent about this. Hillary Clinton yesterday directed a whole speech about Bahrain. Why didn't she mention Libya? Or are we only worth mentioning when it has to do with oil and terrorism? They need to speak out now. They need to stop releasing petty statements
and actually take a STAND. We know that they have no real leverage but having the international community's eyes on us is the only this can actually get noticed.

I have to end this quickly as I'm not sure how long this connection is going to last. Just let everybody know that the Libyan people are out in the streets and they're united, despite last night's statement that we are not. The people are going out now. They will go out later on tonight. Nothing can stop what's starting now. This is the beginning for some and the end for others. Let's just pray that this can be done with the least deaths possible.

This was also posted on the Guardian:

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There were rumours overnight that Muammar Gaddafi had fled Tripoli. The BBC is now reporting this, saying it has independently confirmed from "sources" that he has left the Libyan capital. We have not been able to confirm this independently.

This to:

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Salem Gnan, a London-based spokesman for the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, says he has spoken to protesters in Tripoli and Benghazi today.

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They surrounded Gaddafi's residence in Tripoli this morning and tried to get in but there was very heavy fire from inside the compound and many people were killed; the person I spoke to told me 80 people have died there.

Gnan said there had been "many thousands" of anti-regime protesters on the capital's street before Libya's security forces opened fire earlier this morning.

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The protesters ran away and have dispersed now; they are hiding because of the fire but they will be back because they do not have anything to lose now. Tripoli was the last place for Gaddafi and now it will decide what happens. I expect there will be a lot of bloodshed and a lot of people killed because this is the last chance for both sides. But [the protesters] are going to finish this.

Gnan said he had also spoken to demonstrators in the eastern city of Benghazi.

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They are being bombed by helicopter gunships and jet aeroplanes because Gaddafi wants to punish the place where this started ... They were screaming, saying "please help us, help us" because a lot of people are being killed in the bombings. It is a very terrible situation.

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Feb 21, 2011

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 14:04

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Also this:

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Ian Black and Matthew Taylor have filed this news story on events in Libya.

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Protesters in Libya's capital are reported to have set fire to government buildings and attacked the headquarters of state television as the anti-Gaddafi demonstrations that began in the east of the country threaten to engulf the regime.

Hundreds of demonstrators took to the streets overnight clashing with police and shouting anti-Gaddafi slogans as tribal leaders demanded an end to the violent government crackdown. There were also reports that some soldiers in the east had defected to the opposition, in a revolt that has killed more than 230 people.

Witnesses said that the brutal crackdown, that began in the country's second city of Benghazi, has spread to the capital overnight with reports of automatic gunfire and teargas in Tripoli for the first time since the unrest began.

The government building where the general people's congress, or parliament, meets was reported to be on fire and there were separate reports that protesters had attacked the headquarters of the state television network.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 14:08

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

And this from the BBC:

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One opposition activist has told the BBC the headquarters of the ruling party in Tripoli were under opposition control.

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The situation in Libya is becoming increasingly confused and chaotic, says the BBC's Jon Leyne in Cairo. There are several reports Col Gaddafi has now left Tripoli, possibly to his hometown of Sirt or to his desert base of Sabha.

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Our correspondent adds: "Hour by hour there are reports of more defections. Almost all major tribal leaders seem to have joined the opposition, as well as important religious leaders, and several senior Libyan ambassadors. The east of the country is already almost entirely out of the hands of the government."

Live blogs:
Guardian
BBC
AJE

Gaddafi is hosed

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 14:10

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Thanks for that info, interesting to hear stuff from that perspective.

Seems like Libya's oil supplies are in trouble as well, watch Europe poo poo a brick:

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Libya's Quryna newspaper is reporting that anti-government protests have broken out in the town of Ras Lanuf - the site of a major oil refinery.

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Italian energy giant ENI, the biggest foreign oil producer in Libya, has announced it is evacuating all non-essential staff from the country, AFP reports.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 14:33

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Even the LSE are getting a bit nervous with their relationship with Gaddafi:

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The London School of Economics says it is reconsidering its links with the Libyan government "as a matter of urgency". Saif al-Islam Gaddafi received a PhD from the LSE in 2009 and also gave the university's Global Governance Research Unit a grant of �1.5m in the same year.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 14:39

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

quote:

Police have fled the city of Zawiyah, west of the capital, and it has has since sunk into chaos, witnesses who have fled to neighbouring Tunisia are quoted as telling AFP.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 14:55

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Another resignation in Libya:

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Libya's privately-owned Quryna newspaper is reporting that the Libyan justice minister, Mustafa Mohamed Abud Al Jeleil, hjas resigned over "the excessive use of violence against government protesters", according to Reuters.

The newspaper said on its website it had spoken to the minister by telephone. There was no immediate official confirmation of the resignation, Reuters said.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 15:33

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

I'd be amazed if Gaddafi lasts the week the rate things are going. Even if he does he'll be hated by most of the country, and his reputation in the international community will be worthless.

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Here is a summary of key events so far:

� Egypt: As David Cameron arrived for a hastily-arranged visit, democracy activists have been telling western diplomats they want continued outside pressure to ensure there is a swift transition from military to civilian following the removal of Hosni Mubarak. According to Egyptian state TV, prosecutors have asked for international help in freezing the Mubarak family's financial assets, believed to be extensive.

� Morocco: Sunday's "day of dignity" protests in Morocco turned out to be both more numerous and more violent than it initially seemed, with some violence continuing on Monday in the city of Fes. At least five people died during demonstrations in more than 50 towns and cities. Organisers said the protests were hijacked by thugs in some towns, especially by football fans leaving matches. The interior ministry said 37,000 people had taken part.

� Bahrain: Hundreds of protesters remained camped at Pearl roundabout, the centre of a campaign for sweeping reforms in the tiny Gulf monarchy. Their numbers swelled into the thousands over the course of Monday. One grouping, calling itself "Youth of 14 February", issued a manifesto demanding the overthrow of the ruling royal family.

� Yemen: A crowd reportedly in the tens of thousands rallied in the city of Taiz to demand the removal of the country's long-serving president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, while several hundred protesters are camping on a square near the centre of the capital, Sana'a. The president has offered to talk with opponents, a move dismissed by the political opposition as a meaningless sop.

� Sudan: Officials from Omar Hassan al-Bashir's ruling party said the president, who took power in a coup in 1989, would not stand at the next election, due four years from now. Opposition groups said the decision was an attempt to try to head off a popular uprising against his rule.

� Tunisia: The country's interim government appointed a veteran diplomat, Mouldi Kefi � who served under the ousted president, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali � as foreign minister. He replaces Ahmed Ounaies, removed after perceived verbal gaffes on a visit to France. The interim government has, meanwhile, asked Saudi Arabia for news of the exiled Ben Ali's health, not least "the possibility of his death".

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 16:07

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

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Tim Niblock, an expert on Libya at Exeter University, says it is fairly clear that Col Gaddafi has lost control over the main part of the military in eastern Libya: "There are brigades under two of his sons who are still apparently active a bit, but those are probably marginal by now," he tells the BBC World Service's Newshour programme. "Two key figures are supporting the rebellion and have done, especially one of them, from a very early stage. They feel that the regime has corrupted itself."

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 16:25

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Did you have a look at the leaked cabinet Ham?

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 16:39

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

More from the Guardian, sounds like tonight will be very violent in Tripoli:

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The Associated Press has just sent a report on Libya. The news agency says that in Benghazi protesters have been celebrating in the streets claiming control of the city. In Tripoli, a fire was raging at the People's Hall, where Libya's equivalent of a parliament meets several times a year, and demonstrators were planning new marches in Green Square and Muammar Gaddafi's residence for tonight. AP notes:

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That was likely to bring a new round of violence after a similar march the night before prompted clashes that lasted till dawn, with witnesses reporting snipers opening fire on protesters and Gaddafi supporters racing through crowds in trucks and cars, firing automatic weapons and running people over.

The capital was largely shut down, with schools, government offices and most stores closed, as armed members of pro-government organizations called "Revolutionary Committees" circulated in the streets hunting for protesters in Tripoli's old city, said one protester, named Fathi.

The protests and violence were the heaviest yet in the capital of 2 million people, a sign of how unrest was spreading after six days of demonstrations in eastern cities demanding the end of the elder Gaddafi's rule.

Libya's former ambassador to the Arab League in Cairo, Abdel-Moneim al-Houni, who a day earlier resigned from his post to side with protesters, issued a statement demanding Gaddafi "be put on trial along with his aides, security and military commanders over the mass killings in Libya".

The Internet has been largely shut down in Libya, residents can no longer make international calls from land lines and journalists cannot work freely, but eyewitness reports trickling out of the country suggested that protesters were fighting back more forcefully.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 16:45

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

It sounds like a couple of army commaders actually switched sides quite early on, and the protesters have access to anti-tank weapons.

Grim news from AJE:

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Geneva-based Libyan News Network reports phones cut in Tripoli, amid "massacre" in Green Square. More details being sought.

The Bahrain Grand Prix has also been called off.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 16:59

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Some slightly weird news:

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Two civilian helicopters, followed by two Libyan fighter jets, have landed in Malta. Only one of at least seven passengers are reported to be carrying passports. All passengers are currently being held by immigration officials. Al Jazeera's Karl Stagno-Novarra, reporting from Malta, says the Mediterranean island is preparing to be used as a base for evacuation of European citizens from Libya, one hour's flight away.

Apparently they don't know why the fighter jets have landed, could be air force pilots fleeing the country.

Also it sounds like they've cut off the mobile networks in Tripoli, and only some landlines are working.

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Feb 21, 2011

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:03

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Judging by twitter mercenaries are currently killing ever protesters they see in Tripoli, many dead.

[edit]Claims that people are being attacked in their homes by mercenaries.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:08

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

From Twitter:
hundreds, if not 1000's of african mercenaries spotted in girgarish area of #Tripoli. 4 to a car and heavily armed.

In district of Bou Sittah contact is calling for help of international community! Libyans are being massacred by mercenaries

CONFIRMED: PLEASE! MASSACRE IN #TRIPOLI RIGHT NOW. THEY NEED INTERVENTION. MERCENARIES KILLING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

Contact in #Tripoli: Massacre going on right now!! We need help!

Contact in libya just informed me that their homes are being jumped in tripoli by mercenaries PLEASE do something

Al Jazeera: the government launches a massive offensive with live fire against the 1000s of protesters in #Tripoli. Comm. Is down

Facts are unclear but lots of panic in #Tripoli right now. 2nd-hand information is tht mercenaries are being bussed in

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:22

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

More from Twitter:

Please RT, it sounds like something is being prepared by the regime for #Tripoli an it involves a large number of mercenaries

#AJA reports that live ammunition is being used now on a million people's protest in #Tripoli, #Libya, amid cut communications.

5 toyota stations spotted full of millitary forces goingfrom 11 june roard twards the green square

Helicopters heard throughout the city of #tripoli, unarmed civilians are being terrorized and massacred

state tv announces live ammo used against 'pockets of destruction' open fire on march in #tripoli

Al Jazeera: #Gaddafi thugs and mercenaries are firing live ammunition on a Million Man March in the capital of #Tripoli.

Also:

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UK Foreign Minister William Hague says he has seen some information suggesting Libya's Col Gaddafi is on his way to Venezuela, Reuters reports.

[edit] Twitter is also sayig AJ is reporting planes dropped bombs on protesters in Tripoli.

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Feb 21, 2011

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:28

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Couple of bits from Twitter:
Witness just confirmed: fleet of 30 cars are roaming around different parts of #Tripoli full of 4 mercenaries each holding AK47s

Al Jazeera BREAKING: Eyewitnesses confirm military aircraft are conducting a bombing campaign against #Tripoli protesters.

From AJE:

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Further reports of live ammunition being used on protesters in Tripoli, with lots of tweets saying security forces are again driving cars around the city, shooting at everyone and everything.

Ahmed Elgazir, a human rights researcher, told Al Jazeera that Libya News Centre, an organisation based in Geneva, had received a call for help from a woman "witnessing the massacre" in progress, who called on a satellite phone after landlines were cut.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:36

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

It's a loving bloodbath, I hope they hang every loving piece of poo poo responsible for this from Gaddafi, his sons, and inner circle, all the way down to the mercenaries doing the killing.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:39

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Some of the army, not all, and they are in the east.
This came up in Twitter:

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Apparently the 2 jets in #Malta landed (fled) b/c they refused orders 2 kill ppl in #tripoli .

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:43

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Twitter might confirm its scorched earth time:

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Eye witness:Downtown completely burned #Tripoli entrances r blocked which prevents tribes from entering the city &supporting the protesters

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:46

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

I hope the international community spends its time hunting down every single person involved in this massacre.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:47

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Nuclear Spoon posted:

WARNING: REALLY loving GROSS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFNmlGYmaeA&feature=player_embedded#at=15

THAT WAS loving GROSS WASN'T IT?

I couldn't actually bring myself to watch after the first really gross thing.

I am so angry right now that someone can do this to so many people. So angry.

That's loving awful, it's like something out of a gory video game.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 19:02

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Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

From AJE about the pilots:

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Karl Stagno-Novarra, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Malta, reports the pilots of the jet fighters that landed there are "senior colonels", who were ordered to bomb protesters. They refused and have defected to Malta, he said.

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The defected pilots reportedly tell Maltese officials they were based in Tripoli and ordered to attack protesters on the ground in Benghazi. After seeing their fellow pilots begin the airstrikes, they diverted course toward Malta. If substantiated, this would appear to confirm the use of airstrikes against civilian protesters in cities around the country.

I hope this is enough to get Gaddafi hanged.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 19:06

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