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Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

Alhazred posted:

I just find his art very generic.

It seems generic because over half of the industry has spent the last 20 years doing their best (worst) Jim Lee impression, so his style is now ubiquitous. I'm not the biggest fan of his, but for better or worse, he set the tone for American comic art for a long time after he hit the scene.

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Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

Alhazred posted:

I really hated Parlov's art in Punisher Max

This is it. I found it. I have found the worst opinion in comics.

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

Mr Wind Up Bird posted:

You know who actually sucks? Greg Horn



Go away Greg Horn you've never drawn anything good ever.

Yeah, all of those prints he was showing off at Wondercon made me want to vomit. He's basically got it all, in terms of poo poo I hate about art in the comic industry:

• Overly photo referenced to the point where everything looks plastic and dead
• Completely garbage content
• Gross sexual exploitation of characters. The only reason this exists is to give a fat dork a fat dork.

EDIT: I just noticed that Batman's left leg just disappears after it goes behind Catwoman, and her left leg doesn't even connect to the ground plane. It's like she's lifting her leg to pee or somethinaww gently caress it it's not even worth dissecting gently caress you Greg Horn gently caress you

Beanpants fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Apr 12, 2011

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

Ka0 posted:

Really surprised he didn't trace some porno.

If you've ever had to search for stuff on a royalty free stock photo website, you'll know that half of what is on there is usually light porn.

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

There's no need to make the distinction between Japanese and Western comic artists. If they're great, post them. If they're the worst, post them too.

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

To be fair, the same artist (Das Pastoras) did the interiors on that book, and they were gorgeous.





He had another Wolverine story with an equally terrible cover:



And proportionally great interiors:



Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

Quantify! posted:

What does it borrow from Superman? Well, he's of alien origin and he's super tough and can fly. So basically a few of Superman's powers and an origin that vaguely relates to Superman.

What does it borrow from Spider-Man? The character is high school/college age.

And hey Kirkman gives tongue in cheek acknowledgements to 60 years of superhero history!

WHOA ITS DERIVATIVE!!!

Yeah, every superhero is derivative if you look at it that way. Rex Splode has Gambit's powers! Atom Eve is basically a Pink Lantern! Kirkman ripped off everything!

Oh, wait. I'm talking about story not superpowers. The important thing in these stories is the actual story. Kirkman tells an original story in Invincible. Unless you want to tell me where he's ripped off his entire 70 issues of story from. I'd love to read that book!

You're losing your point if you're saying that it isn't the character's origins and all that on-paper that matter, its the story. Like said earlier, Grant Morrison took the X-Men and did a story that wasn't derivative. There are lots of works that aren't derivative while using established characters.

I'm not really one to poo poo on Kirkman, but most of his work IS derivative. Tech Jacket is the Guyver and Green Lantern, the Viltrumites are basically Saiyans, and Walking Dead is every zombie movie ever. He does original work within that framework that he sets for himself, but the basis for his characters are built off of groundwork made by other properties. You can't wag your finger at people who create good stuff using Marvel or DC characters while Kirkman does the same thing using analogs or homages.

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

Madrox posted:

A couple panels from Age of Ultron 8:



Is it just me, or does Brandon Peterson think women have tiny heads in relation to their bodies? It might not be so bad if he hadn't given them standard comic book giant breasts though.

It's an artifact of whatever Maya models he draws on top of. The depth of field on that stuff can lead to things like stretched proportions if not properly setup, which requires a subtle touch.

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

If you're going to thumb your nose at an artist in the comics business for light boxing photos, you're going to have a very small pool of talent to read from. With the way this business is constantly asking for higher and higher detail and accuracy from its artists that its basically a necessity if you want to get in under the deadline. I wouldn't put JG Jones in the same box as Greg Land just because of that cover. If he uses that photo over and over again, and in a context where its a bad choice, and then also swipes from other artists, then you'd have a point.

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

Flesh Forge posted:

That really depends on whether the photo he traced was used with permission or not. It's a pretty black and white legal and ethical problem if there wasn't any permission given.

I'm not saying it's a good cover, or that it's right for him to use a photo that he has no claim to, but it's the reality of the comics business these days if you're a certain style of artist. Some folk want their comics to look ultra detailed, realistic, and they want it on a monthly schedule, if not more. Sometimes with the realities of this business, being able to do it "the right way" falls outside of that Venn diagram of being detailed and being fast.

Folks are quick to jump on an artist when they find the reference they used, but you could spend all day doing that for every photorealistic artist on the stands. Now whether or not you accept their use of photos in their work as OK is up to you, but market pressure for that type of art in a timely manner means it isn't going away anytime soon.

For your JG Jones/Bryan Hitch/Butch Guises of the world, it's just how it is. I would still put them leagues above Land because their storytelling is on point.

Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

fatherboxx posted:

Authors tend to lose interest in their creations during the long hiatuses.
Of course for Stokoe it is mostly a financial matter, Orc Stain sold absolutely horrible in single issues. But i am baffled at how much he draws and just buries under the table, like the Poison Thrower one-shot.

The difference between Stokoe and most other artists is that Stokoe tends to be very up front and show off discarded books and pitches. I have bins full of comics pages that I love very much but will most likely never see the light of day.

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Beanpants
Oct 27, 2004

From this week's Suicide Squad, art by Rob Hunter and Jeremy Roberts:



LOOK. AT. THAT. poo poo.

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