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Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Popehoist posted:

To be fair they looked equally rear end in a top hat-ish in the same manga scene as well.

Please don't do this kind of poo poo.

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Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

JosephWongKS posted:

104th Training Class, Ranks No. 5 to 2

Ranked No. 5 - Eren Jaegar - Revealed as Titan in Chapter 9

Ranked No. 4 - Annie Leonhardt - Revealed as Titan in Chapter 31

Ranked No. 3 - Bertholdt Fubar - Revealed as Titan in Chapter 42

Ranked No. 2 - Reiner Braun - Revealed as Titan in Chapter 42


Seems to me that there's a trend building up here.

Ranked No . 1 - Mikasa Ackerman - Revealed as The Best at Titan Killing in Chapter 1

Not surprising that she ranked above them huh?

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
The big focus of this manga is the Giants, and the artist's style makes them look really bizarre and creepy. So hey.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
She's the most talented of her class, but she's probably not the most talented overall; after all, Rivalle himself is REALLY drat talented too.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
Also it's been heavily hinted that the manned-Titans are connected to the leadership of the government, so there's a control issue if they move everyone underground as well.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Sindai posted:

Why would they all vote for Rivaille?

If you have to ask this question, you don't understand the archetypical lady anime fan very well.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Gyges posted:

Actually, what happened to Eren between then and chapter one? He was a stone cold killer taking out dudes like it was nothing while inspiring Mikasa to super human levels, and then the next time we see him he can't even handle three kid bullies.

That's just Eren's character, I think: he acted to save Mikasa because she was in danger if he didn't, and didn't hold back. With bullies well, he was more struggling with shame than anything.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Hodgepodge posted:

Wasn't it implied that Eren and Mikasa killing the kidnappers was something two normal kids would just not be able to do? And not exclusively in a psychological sense. The impression I got was that whatever Eren's dad was doing to them had made them far more dangerous than normal kids.

I think it's kind of daft to approach literally every bit of their characterization from the standpoint of "oh they're mutants". That leads down the NANOMACHINES path of bad speculation.

I think it's more hey they're badass kids, that's basically it! Mikasa isn't really supernaturally competent, she's just competent. Isn't that enough? Does she have to be some kind of Mystery Asian Weapon? The whole thing with her freaking out was her determination just making her go into Kill Mode and just kill a guy. Basically it.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:

She got the military to hesitate to blow a Titan (Eren) to smithereens during a Titan attack, because they said she was 100x the value of an average soldier. I'd say the 100x is enough, but getting them to hesitate is a pretty big deal too.

hy·per·bo·le
[hahy-pur-buh-lee]
noun
an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

To draw a comparison from another fictional work, just because Rambo is absurdly competent at what he does, it doesn't mean the dude is supposed to be some kind of Magical Mystery Man. Dude just is good at killing folks.

Mikasa isn't so far gone from everyone else that she's supernatural. I mean poo poo, she has failed at what she's tried to do quite a lot!

There is literally nothing in the work stating or leading in this direction, at least yet, beyond her being Asian and very competent. Is a woman being competent sign that she's a freak? Do we want to go along that line of thought? Really?

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
I am guessing her last name is from her dad, yes.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:

Why would you bring it up?

Because this is going along the "DEVIL FRUIT ARE NANOMACHINES" line of speculation which is inherently awful and I am trying to get you to understand that it is impossible to prove or disprove at best and comes across borderline offensive at worse when you're basically trying to argue away why a character is competent rather than it just being a character trait.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
I think the fact that the majority of the human-form Titans wanted to join the Royal Guard, and the fact that the religious leadership has more advanced knowledge of the Titans than we were previously aware, is key to approaching the Titan factions. I am still of the opinion that the high leadership of the government is somehow behind the "primary" human-titan faction, though their motive is still up in the air. The assault on Shinigashima district could have related to Eren's dad, but it also could have been related to other tensions they've implied as being present: concerns about population given their highly limited environment. They've outright stated for example that they've thrown swaths of humanity "away" at the Titans to reduce the burden on resources. This could be an extension of that.

Of course, if Eren's dad is somehow related to all human-Titans, it's possible they could have been trying to destroy his research, though you'd think they would have more subtle ways of doing that.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Gyges posted:

Knowing who are titans, it's pretty clear in that episode that somethings up with them given the focus on them in the background, and I feel dumb for not seeing them coming a mile off.

The first time through we didn't even know the human titans were a thing. All you're supposed to take away really at this point is that these are the principal cast and were going to be who we were focusing on going forward.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

jonjonaug posted:

Just say "yes, he's totally dead".

Nothing wrong with lying about a show you're trying to get people to watch.

Honestly, yes. It's fine to help people with understanding misunderstandings (I did it with the date thing since we're not quite sure about the timing), but at the same time there's also nothing wrong with a bit of obfuscation of the truth so long as it aligns with what we've seen this episode.

"Well, that's it for Eren. RIP" or any sort of direct response to the episode's events is fine.

Also, report anyone who is being a buzzkill and is clearly spoiling it.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
I think it's kind of obvious that Mikasa has feelings for Eren, despite being rather emotionally withdrawn. It happens.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Eiba posted:

Speaking of where the anime's going... as far as I know the manga never mentioned Armin's parents. And the anime has, twice. First to explicitly say they were killed in Shiganshina (I actually don't remember if this was in the manga, not that it matters all that much, but I don't think so) and second, in episode 5, he says in the flashback with the book on the outside world, "This is a secret, but my parents are going to the outside world soon!"

Definitely not in the manga, and it raises a lot of questions

No, that stuff was in the manga, I distinctly remember that.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Breaky posted:

I feel like this is a reference to something I have missed / not seen? Is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm9R-XnHAhY

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
Those are bad videos and you shouldn't post them.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Vincent Valentine posted:

This is the #1 reason the anime thread has been spoiled so bad, to be honest.

It's basically an issue with the stupid internet train in general. People inelegantly hint at poo poo, even if it's off SA, and it through osmosis becomes "truth veiled as speculation" to folks watching the anime, even if they're not in on the thing.

The speculation in the anime thread has been months ahead of where we came to similar conclusions in the manga thread, largely because people one way or another "give away" twists.

There's one twist at least that folks shouldn't be able to pass down through inadvertent osmosis though: If anyone posts anything about Sasquatch in that thread they're dead meat.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

JosephWongKS posted:

What is the most "Red Wedding" revelation of this series for everyone else in this thread? The one that most shocked you and/or most changed your understanding of the nature of the series and where the story is going?

1. The Rogue Titan turned out to be Eren.

2. The Female Titan turned out to be Annie.

3. The walls turned out to be made of Titans.

4. The appearance of Monkey Titan.

5. Ymir turned out to be a Titan-shifter.

6. Bert and Ernie turned out to be the Colossal and Armored Titans.

7. Something else.

All but #4 ultimately had small bits of threads leading into them. They all felt to sort of be building up on each other and make sense in the narrative; they still do. #4 still is completely outside our understanding of and the hints at how Titans work, man-made or otherwise. Sasquatch is completely unique and feels like he's an outsider to all the other things you listed.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
I'm hoping the anime ends on Sasquatch because it's sheer unadulterated What The gently caress.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Phobophilia posted:

Oh hey how's it going wait what the gently caress is going on.

This certainly took an unexpected turn. And almost everything I speculated about political intrigue and competing factions turned out completely wrong.

Actually, the wall titan thing doesn't preclude it and in fact, it's the first time in the manga itself that the characters themselves realize that this may to some degree be some kind of Inside Job.

One of the many details that the way it was handled wasn't particularly great. I'd recommend reading the manga and not just checking out these later pages of the thread, unless you want to really learn about the Biggest Surprises early. Like ol' Spooky Scary.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Bremen posted:

And I think that's exactly what they wanted. All that stuff can come next season, instead of an "ending" that basically concludes nothing and would anger a lot of people. This way they ended on a hint for a next season that hasn't even been announced instead of a sadistic cliffhanger.

Seriously, the last month of this thread has been people looking forward to watchers reactions, and I think that's coloring interpretations now. It's a perfectly good ending, it just doesn't have the "WTF?" reactions manga readers were expecting, and therefor they find it disappointing.

Remember: anime like this are strictly advertisements for the manga. That's entirely their purpose. They're a thing to get people to buy the manga, since they don't actually typically make profit off the anime; no one can afford the cost of DVD sets in Japan as they don't price them for mass buying.

Attack on Titan was already selling very well prior to the anime coming out (it had topped the charts a few times), but now after the anime it's approaching weekly shounen levels. It's going to be decade defining in terms of sales.

A total cliffhanger actually meets their needs quite well.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Terror Sweat posted:

Why aren't they doing that to Histora? Or torturing the poo poo out of the Wall Cult members? These fuckers knew a bunch of stuff about titans and did nothing while soldiers are off dying. The survey corps seems like they could probably grab a few wall cult members without anyone noticing.

The Survey Corps doesn't have much power within the walls; that power is all in the Royal Guard, as far as we can tell. And there's a reallllll good chance that they're somehow involved in all this to some degree.

The Survey Corps are taking it as slowly and careful as they can. They don't want to move their hand too quickly and lose all they've gained recently with recent revelations / Eren's abilities.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

socialsecurity posted:

People have been killing people in wars for far worse reasons then stopping genocide throughout human history, the whole "oh god we have been killing humans" is a cheap dramashot because if you got turned into a giant mindless monster and started eating your family and poo poo wouldn't you want someone to kill you?

Yes, which is great from a handwavey standpoint. On the other hand: being confronted with the fact that you've been killing people who have by and large lost control of themselves isn't something to go hop skipping away like it means nothing.

"Gee all these people being mind controlled by the aliens probably would have wanted me to break their skulls open with a baseball bat, oh well might as well not worry about the sheer horror of the circumstance!" isn't really a realistic expectation. It's more "oh god". Nothing that would stop you, just kind of horrendous.

The very fact that Titans are humans and not some Other is kind of terrifying since it means that there's something else beyond them. They've had some suspicions of this but if EVERY titan is human, it makes the reality of their threat even more nightmarish. Plus: what if they can just turn whole sections of the city into Titans? Is there any way they can be safe if that's the case? Obviously we are fairly certain it's not that simple, but it's still something to fret over.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
Probably has more to do with Sasquatch being involved. Sasquatch :argh:

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Livingtrope posted:

Please stop trying to justify the weird high-school porn game in the thread about titans and the attacking of them.

To be fair: the author of AoT has already said he was "inspired" by said porn games so mentioning them isn't completely off-topic.

Also, don't backseat moderate.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
There is a separate thread for VN poo poo, please take any extended discussions there THANKS.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
Because that's less cool and who cares.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
So if I'm understanding this right Erwin "sold them out" in order for them to manipulate the situation to their advantage, hence why they made a jump on their hideout / they were able to prepare this decoy act in order to spring a trap. The plan is to set the Royal Guard into action in such a way that they are always moving within their grasp. Plus, this potentially gives Erwin insight knowledge on the guard.

Also: I made a thread for a similar but very different manga that many of you may find interesting called Knights of Sidonia. It has some shared themes (namely the whole Humanity's Desperate Struggle With Being Screwed) but is very different otherwise (what since the response to it is "if humanity can't handle this, we're going to get TRANSHUMANIST AS gently caress"). It's definitely worth a read.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

UberJumper posted:

I know this is from several pages ago but, what is the song used in the trailer?

DOA, Aimee Blackshleger. It's an insert song in the anime.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

HenryEx posted:

Wonder how Isayama's going to feel when Tsutomu is gonna ask for his autograph.

Probably squeal like a little girl.

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Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
Because apparently the MANGA tag wasn't enough, and after receiving several PMs about it, I've added a manga to the thread title as well. I've also stuck some links in both OPs, not that anyone reads those anyway!

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