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quote:Had we left Japan, what would have happened in that country and in Asia? Had we left South Korea, would it be the vibrant democracy and economic power that it is today -- or would it have become like the northern half of the Korean peninsula, the world's largest concentration camp? Had we left Germany by 1950, what would have happened to Europe during the Cold War? We did leave Vietnam, and communists imposed a reign of terror there and committed genocide in Cambodia. Uh, what? Is there any way this argument works without assuming the existince of a Communist Hivemind? Because I'm pretty sure the Khmer Rouge existed in large part because of the American presence in Vietnam. They never would have gotten the support they needed to sieze power without China shoveling large quantities of arms at anyone who opposed Western militaries, and if we had left earlier the Vietnamese probably would have deposed the Khmer Rouge earlier? boner confessor fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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Mischitary posted:To be honest the more I think about it the more I come to realize that keeping transgender people out of the bathroom that pertains to their own gender identity really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The most "convincing" arguments seem to fall down to this weird notion that men will pretend like they're transgender in order to go into women's restrooms and harass women. But we already live in a world where if a man wants to walk into a women's restroom and just sit right down in a stall and hang out there's nothing really stopping him. What I guess I'm saying is that creeps will be creeps. I think it has more to do with people being afraid that they might have to accept what they feel is creepy behavior because society is too drat politically correct and won't listen to common sense, etc. This is why people feel like the Homosexual Agenda exists - it's not about gay rights, it's about those drat gays forcing themselves upon society where they aren't wanted and good honest Americans aren't allowed to speak their minds (because these people are generally incapable of speaking their mind in a respectful and tolerant fashion).
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quote:All of my husband’s cousins are doctors. Several have moved to the U.S. because after their years of intensive schooling, they want to reap financial rewards. My 75-year-old Canadian girlfriend was denied treatment because she was too old. She died recently, having been given palliative care. That’s all the system would allow. She was too poor to buy it herself? Way to go letting your girlfriend die and using her death to make a regressive political point Somers you horrible psycho.
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Oct 29, 2013 01:40
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30.5 Days posted:did you know that he wants to make Gilded Age-style tenements legal again? So think about THAT. This is in no way an accurate interpretation of the deregulation of density controls. In many places, it's not possble (due to regulation) for developers to construct housing at a price point that the poor can afford. How does this help the poor?
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Oct 30, 2013 18:14
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Badger of Basra posted:Is there a methodology behind this or do they just pick whichever countries they like and put them towards the top? There's no reason for France to be #70. They subjectively grade each country on a 0-100 scale for four key values and then average the values. They basically make it up, but in a scientific way. http://www.heritage.org/index/about
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Jan 14, 2014 19:42
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He's right, the US government is like a gushing uncapped well of funding and subsidies to middle class white Americans. A Good Sign.
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I'm posting this article on the wall of everyone I know who posted those burgerflippers dont deserve min wage soldiers deserve min wage shitboxes.
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Mineaiki posted:That doesn't mean he's right or that his idea will even be good for the USMC, but I think that's where he's coming from. Yeah. He's not stupid, he's just ridiculously gung ho and tone deaf.
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Apr 10, 2014 18:40
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Phlegmish posted:He's an idiot for claiming that slave owners had an incentive to treat their slaves well and implying that 'it wasn't so bad', but I'd say he's right to dismiss the notion that slavery is responsible for the success of American capitalism. It benefited the people that were directly involved, but on a societal level and in the long term it was a completely disastrous economic system. Its detrimental effects can be seen in the South even today. the south had about a century's more experience exploiting the labor of african americans than the north did
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The murder of a couple American citizens by terrorists isn't directly comparable to a military attack on an American base, but it's difficult to make any argument if to you World War 2 is the Only Thing That Ever Happened In History Ever Aside From The Boston Tea Party.
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Sep 8, 2014 20:43
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The only people who are interested in Gamergate are people who have massive unresolved problems with women or people who think shouting at the previous group via internet advances society.
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Sep 24, 2014 18:07
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VideoTapir posted:Thunderf00t had a good point about how much of a stretch some of her interpretations of ONE game were, and how she was taking things out of context. Really this shouldn't matter because she's trying to make her points as simple as possible for literal mental children but she's used to the soft academic mode of explanation which expects intelligent users to extrapolate where stubborn nerds will inevitably mask their insecurity by employing superior technical knowledge of the subject. "Well actually in S03E12 the main character uses a katana, not a western sword which means..." kind of poo poo.
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Sep 24, 2014 19:57
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Selachian posted:I've never been in (or near) a frat, so perhaps someone with more experience can tell me: just how full of poo poo is this guy about how frats today are scrupulously careful about alcohol use and police themselves responsibly? They are that strict, for insurance and liability reasons. What this means is how bad does frat-oriented drinking culture get when even 40 pages of legalese isn't enough to protect binge drinking teens from throwing irresponsible parties? Also note that as a shill he can't possibly tarnish the boozy allure of frats, instead blaming everyone but the only organizations on campus which host large pseudononymous keggers. Like if teenage girls tend to get really drunk before showing up at your facility expecting to drink even more, maybe that is as much your problem as it is theirs. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Toasticle posted:No I said the presence of a drunk WOMAN despite never a complaint or accusation from anyone at our frat still resulted in not just our frat being essentially told the very presence of drunk WOMEN was enough to threaten us. We didnt make the decision, the U was essentially saying they can't get drunk around men so we had to tell them someone else has decided you're too helpless and fragile to be at a party so sorry you can't go. Yet we were the bad ones despite going out of our way to make sure nothing happened. Ok. You did participate in the hosting of an event commonly understood to center around binge drinking in (most likely) a University facility. It is reasonable for the University to scrutinize and place limits on your behavior.
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Sep 30, 2014 01:06
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Shbobdb posted:The current illegal status of raw milk is a great thing for people who like raw milk. It is a bad thing for lazy, ignorant people. The system works. This is almost exactly how marijuana works (for white people). The people who complain about raw milk are just looking for reasons to whine, but being artisinal white hipsters they can't find much of a real complaint. It's easy enough to get raw milk if you really care, and we have good reasons for not permitting people to sell raw dairy in stores. If you really want to get raw milk it's not difficult.
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A lot of vets talk about their military service like some potbellied retired mechanic reminisces about the time he scored the winning touchdown at Homecoming '73.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:52
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:That's the one thing I've taken away from gamergate more than anything else. People are screaming about social justice warriors ruining gaming because Kotaku wrote a couple articles about strong female characters, meanwhile every Call of Duty game released sets a new sales record. its not about games at all, games is a symbol for growing older and having to deal with people and people having opinions that you dont like
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Nov 9, 2014 05:33
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The IronMonkey posted:Not to interrupt the little 2 minute hate session ya'll got going here, but I know some women who are involved in the pro(anti?) gamer gate side. If making pro videos count as involved. When ever this topic, or feminism in general comes up they point to majority white/male discussions like this as a reason they are against what they think feminism is. A bunch of holier than though college liberals going off against a strawman opposition, and implying women can't think for themselves. This then is the impression folk get of what feminism is, So, it's bad to make fun of idiots because some of those idiots are idiots? Not sure what your point is here, except you're mad at the prevailing tone ITT. The IronMonkey posted:Anecdotal, but I know somebody who is about to accept a university level teaching position. She has explicitly stated she intends to push a MRA position, and has pointed to "discussions" like this as a reason why. A small account, but one that worries me about larger repercussions. Even if this wasn't a dumb reaction, why do you think we should care what one person who bases their gender politics on their perception of internet discussions? This person will not last long in academia. "I have to counteract the Tumblrites by supporting MRA in a freshman survey class nobody cares about" is not a mature argument or one worth considering.
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Nov 15, 2014 22:56
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"My friend Cletus is going to join the KKK and spraypaint a synagogue to counteract the prevailingly hysterical pro-Minority opinions you see on tumblr all the time. All of you should feel ashamed for forcing his hand in this way."
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Nov 15, 2014 23:02
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The IronMonkey posted:You know the point is that calling your opponents unthinking idiots and never engaging hurts your side. So it's ironic you would respond by pretending not to get it and just calling them idiots. I am sorry that you are mad we are calling greasy nerds virgin losers ITT but I really doubt that the opinions contained within this thread will poison popular discourse any more than it already is. Conversely, if the generally greasy loser population of Something Awful is digging on your sad rear end, you probably come off ten times worse to polite society. The IronMonkey posted:We don't care about people being accepted into and pushing bad ideas in academia? Folk with bad ideas seem to last rather long at the university level going by some of the articles posted to D&D. We don't care about one apocryphal person who makes bad decisions, who you seem to think we share tangential blame for.
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what is up with this really lazy thing where people accuse d&d of being a communist hivemind. it hasn't been that way for years. at least update your lovely forums stereotypes if you're going to get butthurt about a subforum on the regular
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Nov 16, 2014 20:44
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goku im piss posted:I'll just say that there are much deeper reasons why all this poo poo stinks to high heaven and why people don't want politics mixed in with their games. Progressives really do have a lot more important things to worry about and giving this coverage and attention is retarded. its getting coverage because manchild gamers are cowardly threatening to rape people for having opinions they don't like pro-gamergate people are too dumb to understand that. nobody cares about video games, but they do care when people who strongly identify as video gamers threaten mass murder in defense of video games the small fraction of people who play video games as a regular hobby who are driven to madness over liberal feminist strawmen are not worth catering to as they are fickle and idiotic people anyway
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goku im piss posted:Also the only people who seem to be advocating for some ethnic cleansing seem to be coming from the anti-side. i'm not confident that your reality and my reality are the same reality goku im piss posted:AThe game side of things is trivial. Someone brought up earlier that Cultural Criticism wasn't Bullying. I said it could be if it was used as a platform for change, in the strictest sense of the word. But disagreement with someone is being touted as Harassment. And It could be, in the strictest sense, if by disagreeing with someones position you make them FEEL harassed. i think threatening to go into someone's house and rape them or murder a bunch of people in public counts as harassment, yes
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Nov 19, 2014 18:47
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goku im piss posted:I meant gaming in general. what, like betting on horses? penny slots?
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Nov 19, 2014 18:50
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goku im piss posted:You post your examples and I'll post mine. well i can't really post any examples of anti-gamergaters calling for ethnic cleansing, because i'm not aware of any. it was a scenario you positied, i just politely called you a retard goku im piss posted:Yeah, that would be harassment. Its idiotic to think otherwise. agreed, pro-gamergaters are idiots. im glad we can see eye to eye sometimes goku im piss posted:Maybe if they don't want to be offended they shouldn't be engaging them then. Turn it off, walk away, etc. it is difficult to just walk away when people intrude into your personal spaces to continue harrassing you, such as telling other people where you live, your home phone number, etc. i think the real lesson here is try not to piss off hardcore gamers because they have nothing better to do than send child porn to your parents
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goku im piss posted:And the Media, and Cultural pundits, and Educational institutions, and all of these institutions care far more for the tendency of self described gamers to be absolutely horrible sociopaths than they care about the content of games
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goku im piss posted:Oh ok. i would like to see these examples of calls to ethnic cleansing against? gamers though, that might be funny goku im piss posted:It was obviously ok when it happened to other people, even encouraged. lol it's never been ok see this is the problem of gamergate folks, you can't extrapolate what's socially acceptable on the dark lovely corners of the internet into what's acceptable in general society. the internet does not follow the same rules as society, and expecting society to adhere to or approve of lovely internet behavior is delusional just because helldumping was a thing for a while didn't make it acceptable then, neither does it make it acceptable when you try to use this tactic in your fantasy bullshit crusade against mean old feminists. doxxing is generally an awful tactic internet losers use when they can't get the last word online and it's horrible behavior
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Nov 19, 2014 19:15
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goku im piss posted:Nah, you're on a high horse at the moment. If you really wanted to see it, you could. you don't have to be on a very high horse to be morally higher than people who threaten mass violence if you say unpleasant things about thier hobby. gamers are generally brittle and immature people though so i guess it was only a matter of time anyway this doesn't have anything to do with gamers being 'rejected' by the left. pro-gamergaters are just being courted by right wing media outlets who recognize suckers when they see them and i hope even you can recognize that basing one's political decisions on 'said mean things about video games' is enormously dumb
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goku im piss posted:There's immaturity on all sides of this thing, if it was limited to the pro-gg only the issue would have been dead a long time ago. no, rampant sexism has been a Thing in gaming for years now if not longer, it's just that there's enough people who give a poo poo about gaming to criticize manchild gamers and make them freak out goku im piss posted:Of course its dumb, but I can understand why they would be agitated and say things like "Ill vote right-wing from now on just to gently caress them". me too: because they're children
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goku im piss posted:So you're saying that the people who are calling all gamers misogynistic hate-mongers and advocating for their death are obviously the mature ones here. you still refuse to post examples of this, which makes me think you may not be completely honest here (again this is me politely making fun of you) goku im piss posted:So you're saying that you've never engaged in a form of punitive selection to punish an idea or person you didn't like? what is 'punitive selection'
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goku im piss posted:I can easily reference Geordie Tait, Wil Wheaton, Phil Fish, Ian Miles Cheong, etc. you can, but you don't. actions speak louder than words goku im piss posted:When you support something solely for the purpose of punishing something else, even if it crosses your personal beliefs. pretty sure this is called either 'spiteful' or 'stubborn' goku im piss posted:Its more like giving people who are generally neutral or middle of the road reasons to choose a side, and that is problematic. it isn't actually. if someone wants to base their politics on a video game crusade that is not reasonable or logical behavior nor is it worthy of respect goku im piss posted:It has very little to do with the indie developers and a lot more to do with the big ones. so then why are they hounding indie developers off the internet to the point of irl criminal behavior while taking little/no action against big developers boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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DrProsek posted:So people who are neutral or have no strong feelings on video games but consider it so important they become a single issue voter on an issue the elections don't even control? no i think that's the core of his argument, except he's positioning it as something the democrats/left could and should be blamed for rather than it being an immature emotional reaction on the part of terrible, stunted people
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INH5 posted:I'm not sure about the others, but Geordie Tait absolutely did tweet that everyone who supports GamerGate should be murdered in a Nazi death camp. Then he made several Facebook posts where he repeatedly stated, at length, that he was not joking and that he seriously believes that all those people should be gassed to death. ok, that's at least one idiot making blanket terrible statements. we're getting there INH5 posted:While I don't think more than one or two idiots are actually going to change who they vote for over this stupid, ludicrously overblown Twitter slapfight, if you look at GamerGate forum threads and Twitter accounts, you see an awful lot of people talking about being alienated from the political left, or at least certain parts of the political left over this. One of them is a former Occupy Wall Street protestor. yes, but the kind of person who changes their political ideology over how offended they are at media representation of gamers behaving badly probably didn't have very solid political ideology to begin with, so it's not really a loss
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Pope Guilty posted:If you assume that gamers as a whole support you because you lack the ability to comprehend that other opinions and viewpoints are valid or even exist except as dishonest strategies to take away your toys, I can see how you'd see that as aimed at all gamers. Part of why I even care about gamergate is that I don't identify as a gamer because I find gamer culture and lifestyle pathetic. I am not defined by my hobbies or consumer choices, but I meet the general definition of a hardcore gamer. I was at a neighborhood party and there was this drunk nerdy kid there. He wanted to talk about internet poo poo so I obliged. Eventually we disagreed and he called me a casual. I told him I was in a QTF clan back in 1997. He didn't know what QTF was. I asked him when he was born. He said 1993. To some of these fools any unorthodox opinion indicates you're No True Gamer which just illustrates how it's all a severe emotional reaction to percieved threats. Gaming cred isn't important, ideological purity is. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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To be fair, if your life is nothing but a predefined, canned artifice meant to bring you superficial meaningless joy on your all-too-short trudge to the grave, might as well go whole hog and embrace video games.
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nozh posted:I'm not sure if you're being rhetorical, but I think ice-pick lodge studios fits the bill. Particularly their games Pathologic, The Void, and Knock knock. As good as IPL is, their games are difficult to play and even harder to find in the US. The problem with games is that they best support non-traditional forms of narrative. Game developers haven't yet figured out how to fuse narrative and gameplay in a way that elevates video games above visual novels or NPCs shouting exposition at you as you pick from a few canned options, while also being approachable to non-enthusiasts. Max Payne 2 was legitimately good. Max Payne 3 wasn't bad, but it didn't have nearly the same narrative punch. And then you end up with games like Gone Home, which do try to push the boundaries but get massively criticized for being too different. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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computer parts posted:It's not even that, there's just fewer games about war. That's what the big fear has been for the past decade, that "hardcore" games would stop being made because it was easier and cheaper to make dumb baby games This argument, of course, relies on the idea that Call of Duty XXIIV: Serious Warfighter edition isn't itself a dumb baby game. Last time I played a Call of Duty was the one where you're a random astronaut who watches the ISS get nuked for no reason at all, functionally no reason except it looks kind of cool, and I was embarrassed for gaming. Pierson posted:Hardcore gaming has never been stronger. If they're seriously trying to put that forth as an argument then I don't know what new drugs they're snorting. Yeah for real. The explosion of indie games leads to stuff like Depression Quest as well as ridiculous turbonerd genre pulp which is largely a Good Thing, so decrying the death of gaming is objectively pretty dumb and kind of clearly identifiable as a lament that gaming isn't an exclusive virgin club anymore.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I know it was a few pages ago, but I just got caught back up on the thread, and did people really agree that pro-GamerGaters never threatened mass murder when one of the biggest news stories in the whole fiasco was pro-GamerGaters threatened to shoot up a presentation Sarkeesian was giving at a university or did I overlook a post or something like that? Yes, but anti-gaters made vague threats of harm also so it all evens out, the truth is in the middle. VideoTapir posted:Can anyone explain to me what the alleged lack of ethics in games journalism was; or is that now and was it always just a meaningless slogan? Because I've not yet come across an explanation of it that wasn't complete gibberish. Games journalism has always been complete poo poo. Most of the big gaming magazines pre-internet were published directly by the companies who made the games/systems, they were little more than advertising. In the internet era you cannot give bad reviews to a AAA game without losing your access to pre-release copies of the games, meaning you can't get your review out when the rest of the industry does. Gaming journalism has been payola-ridden marketing since day 1. Suddenly, in 2014, people who describe themselves as hardcore gamers get really interested in dismantling the rotten structure of gaming journalism, beginning with obscure sites that tend to talk about indie games made by female developers. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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