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Popular Thug Drink posted:i would like to see these examples of calls to ethnic cleansing against? gamers though, that might be funny Nah, you're on a high horse at the moment. If you really wanted to see it, you could. Popular Thug Drink posted:lol it's never been ok Oh no, I agree its not acceptable.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I'm sorry child, but those are people talking about the politics already present in "gaming". Much like no one had to add politics to Mein Kampf or the Bible. I just noticed you really only bring out "child" when the subject is gaming
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I wouldn't trust anything goku im piss says, he's clearly al Baghdadi IRL. Anyone not on a high horse can see that if they want to.SedanChair posted:I just noticed you really only bring out "child" when the subject is gaming Can you honestly imaging goku im piss as anything other than a bored early teen? Yes I know he reg'd in 2005, I still can't imagine him being older than that.
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Nov 19, 2014 19:32
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goku im piss posted:I'll just say that there are much deeper reasons why all this poo poo stinks to high heaven and why people don't want politics mixed in with their games. Progressives really do have a lot more important things to worry about and giving this coverage and attention is retarded. The fact that you think politics wasn't present in video games from the start makes you a mental midget with inferior genitals. Shut up and gently caress off to whatever darkened corner of the internet you please. You can sit with the other whiny babies and pretend that the latest military wank sim is completely apolitical together.
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SedanChair posted:I just noticed you really only bring out "child" when the subject is gaming Fishmech utilizes 'child' in a variety of circumstances but only when losing patience, which his stores of are vast.
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7c Nickel posted:The fact that you think politics wasn't present in video games from the start makes you a mental midget with inferior genitals. Shut up and gently caress off to whatever darkened corner of the internet you please. You can sit with the other whiny babies and pretend that the latest military wank sim is completely apolitical together. Uh no you see, there's a scene where a nuke goes off and you crawl around dying for a bit, it clearly is saying war is bad you nerd, now shut up and go mow down like a hundred more people and kill the bad guy to win the war for freedom and 
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Nov 19, 2014 19:35
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goku im piss posted:Nah, you're on a high horse at the moment. If you really wanted to see it, you could. you don't have to be on a very high horse to be morally higher than people who threaten mass violence if you say unpleasant things about thier hobby. gamers are generally brittle and immature people though so i guess it was only a matter of time anyway this doesn't have anything to do with gamers being 'rejected' by the left. pro-gamergaters are just being courted by right wing media outlets who recognize suckers when they see them and i hope even you can recognize that basing one's political decisions on 'said mean things about video games' is enormously dumb
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DrProsek posted:I wouldn't trust anything goku im piss says, he's clearly al Baghdadi IRL. Anyone not on a high horse can see that if they want to. Eh. 7c Nickel posted:The fact that you think politics wasn't present in video games from the start makes you a mental midget with inferior genitals. Shut up and gently caress off to whatever darkened corner of the internet you please. You can sit with the other whiny babies and pretend that the latest military wank sim is completely apolitical together. CoD sucks. Popular Thug Drink posted:you don't have to be on a very high horse to be morally higher than people who threaten mass violence if you say unpleasant things about thier hobby. gamers are generally brittle and immature people though so i guess it was only a matter of time There's immaturity on all sides of this thing, if it was limited to the pro-gg only the issue would have been dead a long time ago. Popular Thug Drink posted:anyway this doesn't have anything to do with gamers being 'rejected' by the left. pro-gamergaters are just being courted by right wing media outlets who recognize suckers when they see them and i hope even you can recognize that basing one's political decisions on 'said mean things about video games' is enormously dumb Of course its dumb, but I can understand why they would be agitated and say things like "Ill vote right-wing from now on just to gently caress them".
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Nov 19, 2014 19:47
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goku im piss posted:There's immaturity on all sides of this thing, if it was limited to the pro-gg only the issue would have been dead a long time ago. no, rampant sexism has been a Thing in gaming for years now if not longer, it's just that there's enough people who give a poo poo about gaming to criticize manchild gamers and make them freak out goku im piss posted:Of course its dumb, but I can understand why they would be agitated and say things like "Ill vote right-wing from now on just to gently caress them". me too: because they're children
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Popular Thug Drink posted:no, rampant sexism has been a Thing in gaming for years now if not longer, it's just that there's enough people who give a poo poo about gaming to criticize manchild gamers and make them freak out So you're saying that the people who are calling all gamers misogynistic hate-mongers and advocating for their death are obviously the mature ones here. Popular Thug Drink posted:me too: because they're children So you're saying that you've never engaged in a form of punitive selection to punish an idea or person you didn't like?
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Nov 19, 2014 20:00
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goku im piss posted:So you're saying that the people who are calling all gamers misogynistic hate-mongers and advocating for their death are obviously the mature ones here. you still refuse to post examples of this, which makes me think you may not be completely honest here (again this is me politely making fun of you) goku im piss posted:So you're saying that you've never engaged in a form of punitive selection to punish an idea or person you didn't like? what is 'punitive selection'
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goku im piss posted:Eh. Who's the "them" here and what is voting right-wing supposed to accomplish?
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Nov 19, 2014 20:12
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Jack Gladney posted:Who's the "them" here and what is voting right-wing supposed to accomplish? I want to see the party whose platform includes "Force game developers to make games more racist and misogynistic". I guess the idea is collectively punish women and minorities because some of them want to make games different? I honestly don't know what goku im piss is talking about then with these people being progressives we're forcing to become conservatives, they're clearly reactionaries getting upset that someone is saying things aren't peachy as is.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:you still refuse to post examples of this, which makes me think you may not be completely honest here (again this is me politely making fun of you) I can easily reference Geordie Tait, Wil Wheaton, Phil Fish, Ian Miles Cheong, etc. Am I offended by it? No. But I could see where someone would be. Popular Thug Drink posted:what is 'punitive selection' When you support something solely for the purpose of punishing something else, even if it crosses your personal beliefs. Jack Gladney posted:Who's the "them" here and what is voting right-wing supposed to accomplish? A while back I mentioned that if someone had no real reason to support the causes of others aside from personal interest they might (MIGHT) be inclined to vote punitively if something they supported or believed in was trashed by the other on a regular basis. DrProsek posted:I want to see the party whose platform includes "Force game developers to make games more racist and misogynistic". Its more like giving people who are generally neutral or middle of the road reasons to choose a side, and that is problematic.
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Nov 19, 2014 20:28
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goku im piss posted:
But this doesn't make sense because no major party supports changing anything in video games. Unless you're really posting this from like 1991 in which case opposition to video game content was bipartisan and thus again no way to "punish" over it except like, voting for Ross Perot.
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Nov 19, 2014 20:29
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To a bigot, denouncing bigotry as bad appears holier-than-thou, because bigots don't actually think bigotry is bad.
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icantfindaname posted:To a bigot, denouncing bigotry as bad appears holier-than-thou, because bigots don't actually think bigotry is bad. *They think that bigotry is bad, but they themselves are good people, therefore they themselves cannot possibly be bigoted and their bigoted views can't be bigoted either.
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Nintendo Kid posted:But this doesn't make sense because no major party supports changing anything in video games. Unless you're really posting this from like 1991 in which case opposition to video game content was bipartisan and thus again no way to "punish" over it except like, voting for Ross Perot. No, its not an issue like Guns or Abortion or any other constitutional item. Its an ideological one, which makes it more vague. Again, I don't agree with it, but I can understand where the roots of the concept stem from.
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Nov 19, 2014 20:34
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goku im piss posted:No, its not an issue like Guns or Abortion or any other constitutional item. Its an ideological one, which makes it more vague. Again, I don't agree with it, but I can understand where the roots of the concept stem from. If by ideological you mean "whiny conservative manbabies who would never vote for anything good in the first place", sure. The roots of the concept stem from being idiotic and hateful.
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Nov 19, 2014 20:37
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goku im piss posted:Its more like giving people who are generally neutral or middle of the road reasons to choose a side, and that is problematic. So people who are neutral or have no strong feelings on video games but consider it so important they become a single issue voter on an issue the elections don't even control? You're not making sense friendo.
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Like there's way more people that don't like games changing, but their response is simply to continue buying and playing the games they like (which directly supports more games like that coming out). Only the moron fringe starts ranting about how they're going to vote "different" or harass people over games changing.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:*They think that bigotry is bad, but they themselves are good people, therefore they themselves cannot possibly be bigoted and their bigoted views can't be bigoted either. I think that's part of it, but I also think you're given lots of these people too much credit. Lots of people really are just loving awful deep down.
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Nintendo Kid posted:If by ideological you mean "whiny conservative manbabies who would never vote for anything good in the first place", sure. Ok, but what do you really think? DrProsek posted:So people who are neutral or have no strong feelings on video games but consider it so important they become a single issue voter on an issue the elections don't even control? The majority (or all probably) of the anti-gamergate side lean to left, the left being identified as liberals. A punitive measure against the left would be to vote for the right. Nintendo Kid posted:Like there's way more people that don't like games changing, but their response is simply to continue buying and playing the games they like (which directly supports more games like that coming out). Only the moron fringe starts ranting about how they're going to vote "different" or harass people over games changing. It has very little to do with the indie developers and a lot more to do with the big ones.
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Nov 19, 2014 20:47
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goku im piss posted:It has very little to do with the indie developers and a lot more to do with the big ones. What has to do with what? What, exactly, do you think they're mad at?
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goku im piss posted:I can easily reference Geordie Tait, Wil Wheaton, Phil Fish, Ian Miles Cheong, etc. you can, but you don't. actions speak louder than words goku im piss posted:When you support something solely for the purpose of punishing something else, even if it crosses your personal beliefs. pretty sure this is called either 'spiteful' or 'stubborn' goku im piss posted:Its more like giving people who are generally neutral or middle of the road reasons to choose a side, and that is problematic. it isn't actually. if someone wants to base their politics on a video game crusade that is not reasonable or logical behavior nor is it worthy of respect goku im piss posted:It has very little to do with the indie developers and a lot more to do with the big ones. so then why are they hounding indie developers off the internet to the point of irl criminal behavior while taking little/no action against big developers boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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goku im piss posted:I can easily reference Geordie Tait, Wil Wheaton, Phil Fish, Ian Miles Cheong, etc. I'd just like to point out that of the 4 people he declared are "calling all gamers misogynistic hate-mongers and advocating for their death", 2 are game developers, 1 is a games journalist, and 1 is a geek celebrity. I kind of doubt they said anything like he's claiming with any seriousness.
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Nov 19, 2014 20:55
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DrProsek posted:So people who are neutral or have no strong feelings on video games but consider it so important they become a single issue voter on an issue the elections don't even control? no i think that's the core of his argument, except he's positioning it as something the democrats/left could and should be blamed for rather than it being an immature emotional reaction on the part of terrible, stunted people
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Nov 19, 2014 21:00
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7c Nickel posted:I'd just like to point out that of the 4 people he declared are "calling all gamers misogynistic hate-mongers and advocating for their death", 2 are game developers, 1 is a games journalist, and 1 is a geek celebrity. I kind of doubt they said anything like he's claiming with any seriousness. And the KKK hated white liberals just as much if not more than black people themselves, because they were seen as traitors, and that is the one thing that is absolutely unacceptable Same thing here. They betrayed their obligation to be faithful defenders of the bigoted, screaming manchildren, so they must be destroyed
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goku im piss posted:The majority (or all probably) of the anti-gamergate side lean to left, the left being identified as liberals. A punitive measure against the left would be to vote for the right. Again: people who you describe as "neutral" or having no strong feelings suddenly deciding gamergate is the one and only thing they care about this November and so they are going to use their vote to punish a party that has no position on this issue and vote for this other party that likewise has no position on this issue, all because someone said "gamgergate are a bunch of manbabies who are dumb". If anyone truly thinks like this, they are so irrational I don't really know what anyone can do for them. Like, what you're describing is "we should never try to reduce the damage we do to the environment because that implies we think God is imperfect and made the world imperfect" levels of we can't really work with that.
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DrProsek posted:If anyone truly thinks like this, they are so irrational I don't really know what anyone can do for them. Like, what you're describing is "we should never try to reduce the damage we do to the environment because that implies we think God is imperfect and made the world imperfect" levels of we can't really work with that. No that at least has some sort of logic to it. This is more like "don't use 7 post-it notes in the same room on Tuesdays, or your shoes will leak".
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I want porn in my games so to make sure I get it I will vote for the religious nuts who want to ban all porn.
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icantfindaname posted:To a bigot, denouncing bigotry as bad appears holier-than-thou, because bigots don't actually think bigotry is bad. They're against bigotry. They're against killing innocent minorities, saying as you kill them "I'm killing you because you are a minority and I hate minorities." This and only this is bigotry. This is also why no minorities past the fetal stage are innocent, as the very act of living will cause them to commit acts of uppity-ness.
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7c Nickel posted:I'd just like to point out that of the 4 people he declared are "calling all gamers misogynistic hate-mongers and advocating for their death", 2 are game developers, 1 is a games journalist, and 1 is a geek celebrity. I kind of doubt they said anything like he's claiming with any seriousness. I'm not sure about the others, but Geordie Tait absolutely did tweet that everyone who supports GamerGate should be murdered in a Nazi death camp. Then he made several Facebook posts where he repeatedly stated, at length, that he was not joking and that he seriously believes that all those people should be gassed to death. goku im piss posted:The majority (or all probably) of the anti-gamergate side lean to left, the left being identified as liberals. A punitive measure against the left would be to vote for the right. While I don't think more than one or two idiots are actually going to change who they vote for over this stupid, ludicrously overblown Twitter slapfight, if you look at GamerGate forum threads and Twitter accounts, you see an awful lot of people talking about being alienated from the political left, or at least certain parts of the political left over this. One of them is a former Occupy Wall Street protestor. And I don't want to get involved in an argument, so I'll just stop here and let you people make of that what you will.
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INH5 posted:I'm not sure about the others, but Geordie Tait absolutely did tweet that everyone who supports GamerGate should be murdered in a Nazi death camp. Then he made several Facebook posts where he repeatedly stated, at length, that he was not joking and that he seriously believes that all those people should be gassed to death. ok, that's at least one idiot making blanket terrible statements. we're getting there INH5 posted:While I don't think more than one or two idiots are actually going to change who they vote for over this stupid, ludicrously overblown Twitter slapfight, if you look at GamerGate forum threads and Twitter accounts, you see an awful lot of people talking about being alienated from the political left, or at least certain parts of the political left over this. One of them is a former Occupy Wall Street protestor. yes, but the kind of person who changes their political ideology over how offended they are at media representation of gamers behaving badly probably didn't have very solid political ideology to begin with, so it's not really a loss
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INH5 posted:While I don't think more than one or two idiots are actually going to change who they vote for over this stupid, ludicrously overblown Twitter slapfight, if you look at GamerGate forum threads and Twitter accounts, you see an awful lot of people talking about being alienated from the political left, or at least certain parts of the political left over this. One of them is a former Occupy Wall Street protestor. We've been saying that people who decide to radically alter their political affiliation over gamergate are irrational to the point that we can't really cater to them. You post in response a person who claims to have been totally progressive before becoming not just a Libertarian, but a "reactionary Libertarian" in response to media coverage of Gamergate which mostly consist of just letting GG speak for itself, death/rape threats and all. I don't really see how this runs counter to anything anyone has posted.
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7c Nickel posted:Still not actually a statement about "all gamers" in general, which was the original claim. If you assume that gamers as a whole support you because you lack the ability to comprehend that other opinions and viewpoints are valid or even exist except as dishonest strategies to take away your toys, I can see how you'd see that as aimed at all gamers. Pope Guilty fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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7c Nickel posted:Still not actually a statement about "all gamers" in general, which was the original claim. People who self identify as gamers possess these traits in very high quantities.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ok, that's at least one idiot making blanket terrible statements. we're getting there Yeah, that seems much more like people suddenly learning what left politics actually are how belief systems inform behavior. It's the other side of growing up churchy in a small conservative town and seeing your gay friend actually get kicked out into the street by his parents and seeing your own parents refuse to help. If your values mean anything to you, you have to act on them. Fuckhead fedora scum who feel attacked by women when they don't get their way 100% of the time are just now finding out what their values really are and were all along. If you think you were a liberal before Anita Sarkeesian came along, you just didn't know who you were, because you were always a monster--far beyond being reactionary, but sadistic and immature. I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Pope Guilty posted:If you assume that gamers as a whole support you because you lack the ability to comprehend that other opinions and viewpoints are valid or even exist except as dishonest strategies to take away your toys, I can see how you'd see that as aimed at all gamers. Part of why I even care about gamergate is that I don't identify as a gamer because I find gamer culture and lifestyle pathetic. I am not defined by my hobbies or consumer choices, but I meet the general definition of a hardcore gamer. I was at a neighborhood party and there was this drunk nerdy kid there. He wanted to talk about internet poo poo so I obliged. Eventually we disagreed and he called me a casual. I told him I was in a QTF clan back in 1997. He didn't know what QTF was. I asked him when he was born. He said 1993. To some of these fools any unorthodox opinion indicates you're No True Gamer which just illustrates how it's all a severe emotional reaction to percieved threats. Gaming cred isn't important, ideological purity is. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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