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Here's a bit about instrumental grime and the current grime scene in general since I didn't see it covered too much in the OP. Keep in mind this is all from a non-londoner's perspective and I'm no expert, so feel free to correct/add to this wherever. First, Grime is historically tied to London, more so than a lot of other genres. It started there, and spread through raves and pirate stations with tiny broadcast ranges, not big releases. A lot of the scene's developments make more sense in light of that. And going along with that, the best ways to listen to the music are either at a rave or in sets, rather than singles or albums. This is a really cool history of pirate tapes that helps fill in some background stuff http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/6769/ The mainstream dance sounds that 28 Gun Bad Boy talked about in the OP was an attempt by some of the bigger grime MCs to get signed to major labels in 2006-7. It kind of goes back to (and definitely includes) Dizzee Rascal, who was the first big star in the scene. He's a great MC, but he went on to record some pretty lame pop albums after getting signed and has mostly left the scene behind. A lot of artists tried to follow him, and that led to some less "underground" music, and a lot of the time the crossover albums weren't good anyway. Part of the problem was the focus in grime had shifted from DJs and sets to MCs and mixtapes, with the musical quality suffering. At the same time, funky getting popular, and pulling crowds with women in them where people actually danced (grime was only getting tougher and more masculine), a lot of producers and MCs went over to that scene. Both these things made the scene implode a bit in the past couple of years. As a reaction, there's a "new wave" of grime MCs that take a purist approach, with a lot of lyrics about making grime and not liking funky. PC by Merky Ace is a good example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZOgYSenmlw Merky Ace - PC There's also instrumental grime, which was sort of spearheaded by Elijah and Skilliam, who went on to start Butterz. They tried to bring back the focus to the DJs and the music, where it was before the MCs and lyrics, and make it dancey and fun instead of tough and serious. Butterz has put out a ton of great music in the past year and a half, but they're not the only ones doing it. Here's Boo You, which came out recently on Butterz. It's got an old skool grime sound, going back to the garage days, and its much more happy than most grime coming out (though still definitely dark and punchy like grime should be). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3fhax1NlrM P Money and Blacks feat Slickman - Boo You The instrumental stuff tends to have more synth work going on to make up for the missing MC, but grime has such a big sonic palette that it's more of a direction than a distinction. These are the 3 biggest releases on Butterz before Boo You, which was Butterz's first vocal release. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voJznH9JMxU Swindle- Mood Swings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO43mtxdyYU D.O.K.- Chemical Planet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRNP6jp1UbQ Royal-T - Orangeade Spartan, by Spooky, also has that sound, though it's more of a riddim than a song. Here's Kozzie on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75nkUensTUU Kozzie- Destruction Here's another looped riddim with the same upbeat, dancey synth work (by the guy that did Next Hype) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwos4aFieyA Darq E Freaker- Cherryade The riddim/song distinction is a result of people making tracks without MCs. Without the bars, the song needs more structure to stay interesting. Butterz recently answered a question about limiters with a rant about boring, poorly mixed, and looped songs on their tumblr that called out lazy producers, but it's since been deleted, probably for the best. But that might mean a move in grime towards more song structure. Other than Butterz, the best labels for instrumental grime are Harddrive, which is Terror Danjah's label, and Hyperdub, which put out a Terror Danjah compilation that helped kickstart the whole thing. Harddrive has some of the funky/grime hybrids that came out of the grime scene jumping ship in 2007, as well as some amazing straight up grime. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdssG1hBSCo Champion- Motherboard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bze6cGA0f4A D.O.K. and Sir Spyro- Missing Step http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT7RdUSgdfo Joker and Terror Danjah- Gully Goon Estate That last one is an update of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HnatIMFOs Joker- Gully Brook Lane Joker's been doing this forever. And here's my favorite Terror Danjah Hyperdub release http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkv5s3INZyg Terror Danjah- Minimal Dub There's also some overlap with the Night Slugs crew. Bok Bok's latest ep has some pretty grimey tracks on it, and Jam City's talked about it being an influence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwrO23csTs&feature=related Bok Bok- Silo Pass And other than Harddrive and Hyperdub (which has grime releases pretty rarely), Oil Gang and No Hats No Hoods are good to check for quality grime instrumentals that can stand on their own. Also, Elijah and Skilliam's rinse shows (they almost always have 2 a week at least) are good places to hear new stuff. This ended up a bit longer than I thought it would! Take all of this with a grain of salt- it's an incomplete list and I'm pretty far removed from the scene location wise.
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:Great write up man! Obviously I had to keep most of the facts out of the OP to keep it lean and basic(seriously condensing stuff down into a paragraph is hard), so stuff like this expanding on things is always welcome. Thanks! That means a lot coming from you. I meant it to be more of a tide over/modern look on a specific side of the scene til your grime feature (and I tried to keep it more modern focussed so as not to step on your toes!) but I got kinda carried away and it ended up bigger longer. Also you should definitely check out Energy Flash. I'll send you my copy once I can get it back from my friend if nothing else. mr box posted:
Oh yeah Wiley's definitely to blame too, but it seems to me like Dizzee got that ball rolling earlier, even just by releasing Boy In Da Corner on XL. Although I'm sure Wiley wasn't totally innocent in all that either. thepopstalinist posted:Hardrive has some test presses (edition of 8!) of Mz Bratt's new EP on Hardrive. I grabbed one because it comes from the Butterz camp and if anybody deserves my money at this point it's those boys. Got a tee, too. This was gone fast! I was gonna grab this one too. Anything special about the test presses other than them being ~super limited~ and ahead of time?
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My intro to bassline was catching DJ Parallax at some candy kid happy hardcore rave about a year ago. He's one of the best (only?) people doing this stuff in America these days. http://www.djparallax.com/ has some mixes I liked a little better than the DJQ Essential Mix, though it's like 50-50 bassline and speed garage (but they're such similar genres anyway...). #1 has an amazing remix like 5 minutes in, of Blu Cantrell- Breathe that I THINK is unreleased or white label only cause I can't find it anywhere other than the mix. Otherwise there'd be a youtube here.
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That A1 Bassline track isn't Bassline, UK House/Juke/Future Garage which might explain why it seems so of-the-moment. I think he started as a Bassline producer when Bassline was big and has since branched out, but I'm not positive. Here's another recent one from him pretty solidly in the juke field http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1K5Wl_MM9Q A1 Bassline- Shockheaded Kavsrave was pretty cool, thanks for the tip. I can definitely hear the Girl Unit in there.
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Jun 24, 2011 05:33
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Ras Het posted:Terror Danjah's refix of Admiral Bailey's "Jump Up" is coming out on Greensleeves next month. It's not on the level of that Ding Dong / The Bug cut, but a nice tune anyway: I was going to defend the Terror Danjah one... but then I listened to The Bug's remix and it really is that much better. http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2011/05/greensleeves-release-dubstep-rem Looks like they've got a bunch more coming too.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:23
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thepopstalinist posted:Holy hell Machinedrum's LuckyMe EP is good Just listening to it now... wow. The title track alone is worth the price. Funky/Jungle/Juke vibes Alarma-Machine Drum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTMZDr9RGBo And I got this in today Breton- RDI (Girl Unit remix) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5L6sNrIBfg Huuugggeee 808 kicks on the drop.
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a milk crime posted:Yeah I keep hearing good things about the Machinedrum album. I previewed it, and there were a couple of tracks that I really enjoyed - but I think I'll prob buy the vinyl maybe. Hahahaha (from the uploader comments) "mosca should tell these mcs to gently caress off. shame, heavy tune ruined by wank chat. jhm5hs 1 month ago @jhm5hs u listen to zomby thedeejaymosca 1 month ago 11 (thumbs up)"
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If you bought "Rooms", Machinedrum has some juke edits of jungle and rave for you! Only got a week to get him a screenshot of your receipt, though. http://machinedrum.net/
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Jul 27, 2011 22:22
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whhhaaatttt I can't believe I completely missed that. gently caress
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Mike_V posted:Haha, apparently Brackles put out a 12" on Rinse recently? There's been no fanfare on the station as far as I can tell, but I'll check it out soon. Guess it got swept under the rug with all the birthday stuff. I'm listening to it now and I'm enjoying it. The second drop on the A side (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgqPCxHlK2c) is great. The B side is a little chiller/spacier, reminds me of Egyptrixx. edit: the Walton EP that just came out on Hyperdub is pretty bangin too, reminds me of newer Bok Bok and DOK but a little housier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzA7OreVBWs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6uuFI4_Nc JamesKPolk fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 16, 2011 |
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I just got home from seeing Joe Nice and Pangaea (and a bit of Dave Q) at Deep Space/Dub War. Cielo has an incredible system and anyone in the area should check it out at least once. Pangea played a great set, but Joe Nice stole the show with a classic dubstep set. He opened with Goat Stare, and just threw down classic after classic. He did some amazing scratching/mashup with Red and a Ms Dynamite track. I heard a bunch of stuff from Dubstep Allstars Volume 1, which I had jammed on cd/mp3 players so many times, and listening to it through a club system (and one of, if not the best I've ever heard) was eye- and ear-opening.
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:I've always heard good things about the sound at that Dub War. The best bit about that early stuff is when you think that Hatcha had pretty much all those tracks locked down and exclusive to him. I think this is the first time it was at this place. The sound at the place where it was before it stopped being a regular night was good, but Cielo was even better. Huge bass (and the dance floor was all wood so the subs would massage your feet just from shaking the floor so much) but really crisp highs too, and not oppressively loud- just BIG. SUBFRIES posted:Surprising, in a good way, to hear this. For a while he was very "only playing the latest dubs, once it's released on vinyl it's out of my record box". I think a solid classic set, or a few nods to personal favorites and/or major influences in a long set are a good look. I definitely agree. I think part of it was that Dub War hasn't been here regularly for at least the past year, and this was a reunion type thing, hence the different venue. Perfect for a set like that.
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I saw Roska and Toddla T had some American tour dates so I googled to see if they were coming to New York.
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a milk crime posted:Man this Pangaea track, I don't know why I haven't paid attention to a lot of his stuff previously, but Hex is a jam. Been stuck in my head since I saw him almost two weeks ago. I can't wait for my copy to get here. http://fadetomind.net/#mix-001-prince-william Fade To Mind mix out by the label head that's not Kingdom. There are some really cool tracks on here. It's got a pretty serious night slugs feel but considering they're sister labels and almost all the tracks are night slugs artists, that's not too surprising. Some cool grimey stuff in there too- I hope Bok Bok does more of those.
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Sep 30, 2011 02:18
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New Zomby http://www.thefader.com/2011/10/20/stream-zomby-labyrinth/ Very 91/92 old skool, I like it a lot.
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Oct 20, 2011 20:13
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http://www.duttyartz.com/2011/footwork-oral-history/ Here's an interview with some real Footwork dudes about Footwork. Also there's a Coki white label out today/recently. It's sold out pretty much everywhere. I got mine from catapault. I'd get on that if you want one before they're gone.
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I missed The Look by Jacques Greene when it came out but the song Tell Me has been stuck in my head for months anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64uObdoFB50 I found one on Discogs and ordered it over a month ago. It came today, the box was bent through the middle, and the record was broken. poo poo. I'm pretty sure it wasn't totally the fault of the shipper. I mean he could have packed it more but something definitely happened to it en route. So I'm out that cash and back to hunting. Vinyl blues I guess.
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Nov 15, 2011 18:28
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Heres some more T Williams ish stuff Oneman's been playing Falling (Black Coffee remix) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOo2aQ_ULFk Falling- DJ Kent and Maleh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wbxqXZ0_xI Turn me on- Black Coffee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0C-wP4uFNA Actually does anyone know anything about South African house? I'm loving these three but I don't know anything else.
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Hey New York people, Loefah's at Deep Space at Cielo on the 13th of February. Amazing sound and a good crowd, not pretentious either. Only complaint is the expensive drinks.
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I just got back from seeing DJ Manny b2b J-Cush, DJ Rashad b2b DJ Spinn, Loefah, and Falty DL b2b Dave Q in a tiny dark back room of a bar in Brooklyn. Great sets all around. Footwork from the footwork DJs, then Loefah played some Swamp stuff then some garage, ending on Highland Spring. Not too much dubstep but he played a good hour of DMZ stuff when I saw him Monday so it was okay. He also played Pulse X and Ice Rink tonight and it was my first time hearing either on a system. Falty DL and Dave Q played some footwork then a bunch of jungle when the 20 or so people left started yelling for it. I went over to say hi to Loefah and he saw my Suburban Base shirt and asked "How do you know about Sub Base?" I told him I was really in to rave and he said "I'm gonna go play a Sub Base song for you right now." and put on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRtTkvhAxF0 Really incredible night.
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Anae posted:Does anyone know where those bonkers piano lines come from in old hardcore? Are they sampled from a particular music genre or played from scratch? I can normally hear vinyl crackle on them so I think they might be sampled but I'm not sure. 28GBB? And a lot of them that aren't just lifted are played from a sampler, which effects the timbre a bit- high notes get brighter and thinner, low notes thicker and darker, which makes them sound like they're weirder chords than they are.
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Anyone else feeling Beneath? http://soundcloud.com/beneath I missed this when it came out and just heard it the other day. Twitter's "who you should follow" of all places pointed me to him. It's really dark funky, kind of like Loefah meets Lil Silva.
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:Speaking of Rinse. I totally miss Uncle Dugs show on a Friday as I've sadly got other less important things to do, so I took a look at what he's done the past month and wow: I want to second the Moving Shadow recommendation. It's one of the best shows he's done in my opinion. Great tracks throughout cause it was a great label, and also you can hear the sound change through time as it goes on. Plus a bunch of shouts from Moving Shadow artists talking about it, and Dugs is just really on it hosting. No interview (which are always awesome but in a different way), but if you want to see what the show's all about check it out
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Elijah and Silkie in Brooklyn tomorrow night! I've been waiting at least a year for this.
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Decline posted:The two of them deserve much better then playing with Trouble & Bass. The T&B side was better than I expected! I came in like 15 minutes into AC Slater's set, which wasn't anything special, but then Silkie and Elijah both played amazing sets (no surprise), then B. Rich played like 45 minutes of 91-92 ardkore, and then we left. So I guess I only saw an hour and a half of T&B. But any time I can here old skool when I'm out is fine by me. And I got to talk to Elijah for a bit. He's a really personable guy! He told me that the Ghetto Kyote reissue hit a snag cause whoever has the rights ceased contact, in case anyone else was still anxiously waiting. Great night.
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knox posted:I was the kid in the Mishka hat with the pink-haired girl. I had a Tampa Bay hat a black/neon nike windbreaker and a Butterz shirt. Nice pic of you two in that album, I'll say hi next time I run in to you!
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Yeah it's less about retreading the same steps and more about taking what worked and moving forward with it. Sure no one's gonna make the better Bombscare but I don't think that's really a goal people are/should be reaching for at this point- that opportunity came and went like 20 years ago. I feel like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH_Ondi_ojA Mosca- Square One VIP is a better example of how that revival might happen than say the Zomby or Skream tracks. It definitely calls back to the 90s stuff (especially the second half when the break really comes in) but its less about imitation and more about getting the same vibes. The Zomby album is awesome for what it is- he definitely has his own sound, but it's not trying to move forward at all. And that was by design, I think. He said in an interview or two that the whole idea was that he was going to make a hardcore album with the technology and ideas from the era, cause he was a little too young at the time, but had a ton of nostalgia for it anyway. The Skream one felt similar to me too, though less deliberately so. Anyway, the other thing I could see taking off is this really dark funky sound that Beneath has been putting out. Here's his soundcloud http://soundcloud.com/beneath and a few months ago he had an awesome mostly dubplate Fact mix. The opening Mella Dee track in particular is killer. It reminds me a lot of early Loefah/DMZ releases but with a house beat and a little more dancey which might help it take off in ways dubstep didn't at first. Less of a precedent for it in the scene than the breakbeat stuff though.
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I afraid I'm gonna miss it live but I can't wait for that podcast. I'm still blasting the FACT mix Beneath did a while back and Dusk & Blackdown's show is always awesome.
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:Yeah totally, I'm the same. Most of the interviews I love are where they're really just talking about themselves and what they listen to, what they love about that. Half the time I think you can understand a hell of a lot more about the music they make when you find out where they're coming from. I really like hearing about workflow but that's in part cause I'm not 100% sure I'm happy with mine and its nice to see what works for other people. Objeckt's workflow specifically is a lot like mine and while I'm not trying to copy his exact sound or anything, the interview gave me a lot of ideas for things to try in the future. Debunk posted:This might be a stab in the dark, but is this Winston? Not me, sorry!
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air- posted:Whoops 28GBB, I meant podcast from the "Blackdown v Wen v Visionist v Beneath dubplate showcase". It's gotta be FACT or Rinse I'm guessing? I don't follow either since I can't figure out a way to set them up to subscribe within my iTunes. It's not uploaded yet but most Rinse shows show up on the website (rinse.fm) about a week or so after broadcast. They don't always keep up with the itunes subscription thing so I'd end up going to the site more often than not anyway, now I just check there first.
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:It's good to see the Eglo name mentioned in such a positive light. I've been really digging that label over the past wee and their recent Funkineven single was great. I can't get enough of that song. I haven't really been following Eglo, is the rest of their stuff warm and soulful like that? I assumed they were doing that colder, techier thing like Joy O and co.
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Oh wow, guess Eglo's worth watching! I thought the rest of the stuff was like Floating Points (I'm not the biggest fan of his) and wrote it off too soon.
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Mike_V posted:Can anyone ID the instro on this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDjoVyX66iA&t=85s This is killing me cause I've heard it so many times but can't remember any details. I'm pretty sure its either DOK or maybe Terror Danjah if that helps. The Butterz guys played it a lot a year or so back.
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Mike_V posted:Also, I'm pretty sure it's not a Terror Danjah track since I don't hear any gremlinz tag on it. Might be DOK, but I checked my library and it isn't any that i have. Hah maybe not then. Definitely sounds like something he could have made to me, minus the gremlinz (I can sort of hear them coming up in my head but that might be me remembering that song getting mixed into a Terror Danjah song). DOK would be my guess but I might be getting it confused with the drop on Missing Step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bze6cGA0f4A Which sounds really similar, except it has the DOK tags and the other one doesn't. 28 Gun Bad Boy posted:Same, bashing ma head against the desk here. I know it, gently caress I'm half way there I just can't connect it. Ain't new though, that all dayer was ages ago if it's what I'm thinking of. Like years ago ages, 2005 or 06. gently caress Rhythm Division's been gone for a good few years now at least. Actually now that you mention it I'm pretty sure I've heard D Double E/Newham Generals on it before. Not that that narrows it down at all hahaha. JamesKPolk fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Oct 7, 2012 |
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That's some straight up dubstep right there. On the deeper/darker side of things. Check out the Deep Medi label (Tunnidge has a couple of releases there iirc) and everyone on it, especially Mala/DMZ. Maybe Tempa as well. Also check out Youngsta's show tonight on Rinse FM, you can get podcasts from past weeks from rinse.fm
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:Speaking of Geeneus though, I can't think of anything that can beat Detroit. I mean ooft, it's just such a loving killer track. All these wee toys up and about nowadays just ain't got a loving clue. Whoa Also speaking of Geeneus he was on Uncle Dugs' show on the 28th of September for a 4 hour talk show thing with him, Dugs, Slimzee for a bit, the guy from Pressure FM (totally forgot his name), and a few others just talking about the history of rinse/pirate radio and setting up stuff on tower blocks, getting transmitters made, doing it out of Slimzee and Wiley's bedrooms for a while, all this stuff. Definitely worth a listen if that's interesting to you at all.
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asap-salafi posted:Hiya, kinda gone off dubstep recently but I used to be obsessed back in first year of University. That particular style isn't as popular these days, but dig around 2006-8 sets and see if anything turns up. Skream and Benga's essential mixes are a pretty good for a big selection of tunes (their solo ones from 2007 and 8 I think). The Dubstep Allstars series might be nice too, especially 3-4. Other than that, Hyperdub put out Skeng so they might be worth a look (again, from 2007-8 or so), especially Kode9 and maybe Zomby. Also, DMZ in genreal or Loefah might be worth a look.
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:So a link I saw in RA brought me to this, America's Top 10 Best Soundsystems. I've only been to Cielo from that list but it's amazing. I think on the weekends its one of those expensive trendy upmarket places with a high cover and tough door but on Mondays for Deep Space its a lot more laid back. Bars still expensive as hell though. But it's a really nicely set up space and the sound is the best I've heard personally, and Deep Space get a lot of good bookings. Hahahhahaha
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Check out 502 Records (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSOV3LnL_0k jumped out at me) and Oneman's sets from the past year or so- I'm pretty sure I've heard him play the first one and the other two wouldn't sound out of place.
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