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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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whomupclicklike posted:

I switched to Pocket from Readability because it died, hope that Mozilla doesn't axe Pocket because Instapaper has reliability issues.

If you actually care about a bookmarking / archiving, you should use Pinboard. It's the only one with a business model, which means it's the one that's likely to stay in business.

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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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there are a couple greasemonkey scripts that convert embedded youtubes into text links. at one point I had one that would fetch the video title and use that as the text link, but I think that died in a yt update.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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The Merkinman posted:

New UI for Firefox, coming in Nov with the end of 'classic' (read: non web-extension) add-ons.



:lol: Today I learned I'm the Firefox UI team lead!



It's just too bad I'll be sticking with the ESR version before this to keep my extensions, until they pry them from my cold dead hands.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Alereon posted:

I honestly think their Executive Chairwoman (Mitchell Baker) is poo poo-awful. It seems like she's been behind most of their worst initiative, and is putting the cart before the horse in terms of trying to secure a place in the market and funding for Mozilla, instead of focusing on making good user-focused products that benefit the open web.

Check out this article by Firefox OS developer Ben Francis about why it failed.

I agree that their upper management (regardless of who) seems overly concerned with user share and revenue for a non-profit foundation that's supposed to be about the open web. Really, why does it matter to their mission what % of market firefox has? Spending all their effort chasing after chrome doesn't make the web more open. Contrast the Mozilla Foundation with any of the other foundations that run an opensource software project, and the easy line to draw is that Mozilla behaves more like a corporation than a foundation.



OTOH I don't know what the story of Firefox OS proves, and I disagree with him about why it failed. When they got to that fork in the road, the other path wouldn't have led anywhere either. Nobody wanted a $30 smartphone with no apps, nobody would have wanted a more expensive smartphone focused on "web content" (because that web content still wouldn't include whatsapp). It was a dead idea from the beginning -- it's not like in 2011 anyone was unsure whether apps were important.

And after that you see the whole thing devolve into pet projects. Which is a thing that's happened with firefox as well, at times when it's been particularly rudderless.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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syscall girl posted:

Anyone have replacement suggestions for Save File to (crucial one), imgur .gifv (meh), or Strict pop-up blocker (don't know if this even works tbqh)?

Save link in folder still works; it's marked as incompatible with e10s but it seems fine to me.


Stupid as it is to replace an addon that was abandoned a year ago with one that's been abandoned for 4 years, that's firefox these days!

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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spit on my clit posted:

So how do I check if I have multiprocess on/off? just about :support in the address bar?

yes, or look at your task manager to see if you have 2 firefox processes

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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I can't even imagine the hubris of asking extension writers to do all the work of updating for multiprocess compatibility, then turning around and telling them to throw all that in the trash because you're switching to a totally different system.


In some ways I want to stop using firefox just because that's a totally poo poo thing to do, nevermind how it affects me personally.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Alereon posted:

I edited the title to be as clear at a glance as possible given the length limitations.

When 57 comes out, we can retitle it Firefox 52 ESR: 6 months to say goodbye

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Wheany posted:

Is there an extension or setting that disables gif animations (or video) outside the viewport?

That should be happening by default. If I open the SA smilies page ff takes up a ton of CPU to animate everything, but switching tabs drops it to idle. Resizing the window down so less gifs are on the screen at once also drops CPU.

if that's not what happens for you, check your about :config for any non-defualt settings with the keywords animations or offmainthread.

There was a bug for a while in the ~40 versions where they were trying to do stuff with gifs outside the viewport, but they hosed it up. When you looked at the gif it'd lock the browser because it was trying to figure out exactly which frame of the gif to show you, based on how long it was off screen. It made browsing SA hellish as you can imagine. Maybe you changed some settings to deal with that?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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dis astranagant posted:

I've never seen Firefox go much past 200 without making GBS threads the bed in all the dozen or so years I've been using it.

depends if you're loading 200 in a single session, or just using thousands of old saved-session tabs as a really inefficient bookmark system.

tons of old stale tabs are like a desktop cluttered with files and junk: a sign of a disorganized mind

spit on my clit posted:

i do not understand people that can stand having more than five tabs open at a time

I do like 30-50 all the time but that's because the Tab Groups extension makes managing a few sets of tabs easy. it's prob the biggest thing I'm pissed at having killed off.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Avenging Dentist posted:

Right, thanks for elaborating on my comment. One of the benefits of WebExtensions is that it should be possible, for the most part, to keep add-ons compatible longer because the API is less tightly-coupled with Firefox's core. You're much less likely to end up with subtle bustage when a new version of Firefox releases.

OTOH I have two extensions that have been essentially unchanged since version 3, and had a third that was 100% unchanged until the change to require signing. I used to hand-edit the XPI to change the version compatibility numbers. all of them work(ed) perfectly.

It's like, what is even the point of an API if you're not going to maintain it?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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The Merkinman posted:

It's like, what is even the point of an extension if you're not going to maintain it?

Because you're not getting paid? Because you're not around to do it? Because not all software should need constant maintenance?


If you make an API, you're saying to the world "write to this spec, I've got the rest. I'll make sure anything that uses it stays compatible." You're the one signing up for that workload.

Now maybe the problem is that xpcom is a lovely api, so they couldn't follow that rule even with superhuman efforts. And eventually all things must pass, I get that. But mozilla have made some really awful decisions about how to handle the whole process. Too short a transition time, the completely terrible way they pushed extension writers to update their stuff for multiprocess then turned around and told them all that work was gonna be trashed, the continuing loss of reasons to even use firefox in the first place.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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dissss posted:

It hasn’t been wildly popular since the days when it was a faster and lighter weight alternative to IE. In fact I’d say Firefox is in the position it’s is now in no small part due to bloating out and appealing to ‘power users’

Don’t get me wrong I think it’s too late for them to change tack and become more Chromelike (because they lost their normal users to Chrome and Safari years ago) but I can see where they’re coming from.

When exactly did firefox "bloat out"? FF has never gotten slower, the web itself bloated out. But the competition kept up with the web bloat better than firefox.

Firefox has a documented history of making decisions that favor normal users over power users. I doubt there are more than a handful of people that switched to chrome through an active decision that "firefox is too complicated". Sure, chrome has a smaller settings panel and they don't have about :preferences. But a lot of people never open a settings panel in the first place, much less go to about :prefs.

What really happened: google started showing everybody in the world a pop-up ad for chrome. That's why they have ~60% market share, full stop. Even in the heyday of Firefox they only had 30%, and that was with far worse competition.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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WattsvilleBlues posted:

So are any cloud password managers actually recommended?

Keepass + random cloud storage = "cloud password manager"

or pay for 1password if that sounds too difficult

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Avenging Dentist posted:

I just use youtube-dl from the command line.

1000x times this.

it's more effort up front but believe me it's better to spend an hour or two to learn youtube-dl and then have it work forever then to look for the new "easy" solution every time youtube updates it's backend and fucks the browser extension you're using. Plus youtube-dl has way better options for what format you get.

and now they have a static compile so you don't need to install python or anything, just put youtube-dl.exe and ffmpeg in the same directory and go.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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mike12345 posted:

I have to replace stylish=?=!!=!!

:pusheen:

For everything that's not firefox, you should have replaced stylish already. The extension got bought out and became a telemetry collector of every website you visit.

On firefox they didn't bother updating the extension.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Speaking of fonts! I'm not on 57 yet but this thing I posted about 6 months and 4 versions ago:

Klyith posted:

Meanwhile, on a different issue: I've been noticing that multithreading is producing small but ugly errors with text rendering -- loving up the antialiasing just a tiny bit with darker pixels. It's pretty random; even on the same line of text some letters will be grunged and some will be clean, so it's not like the old issues with scrolling they used to have a few years ago.

Anything that forces a redraw like switching tabs fixes it. Also, selecting the text and then deselecting cleans it up, as with this before and after:


Now, I do have e10s force-enabled (due to addons) so I'm not totally cheesed about it. I'll probably go back to disabled for the interim. But I'm kinda suspicious that this is a pure e10s problem, and nothing to do with the addons.
is totally still happening, and has nothing to do with anything other than the intersection of e10s and rendering. At one point I spent some time on bugzilla tracking it down. You have to go through a twisty maze of bugs that all get closed as dupes, resolved, or wontfix before you come to the actual bug which is full of guys like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we're never gonna fix that one, who cares move on to new & exciting things!


dont be mean to me posted:

And to me standard body text in a Blink-based renderer looks uncomfortably hairline even with properly-calibrated displays and ClearType.

Might be because with the rise of high-density laptop displays and a lot of people abandoning general-purpose computers entirely, 100% scaling - and thanks to consumers and business IT, properly configured computer terminals - have become edge cases.
This is why windows has a tuner for cleartype to adjust between sharper, thinner, bolder, or fatter variations in font shading. Use that poo poo or at least take cues from the user's settings so that you can look good whatever display someone is using.

Or, and this might be another edge case, whatever caliber of eyes someone has. Not everyone has great vision, and what looks hairline if a screenshot might look sharp to someone with glasses and 150% scaling settings.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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FRINGE posted:

The marketing blurbs sound so benign. I assume it will be intrusive and terrible like all spy-based marketing horseshit.

Looking more into the Cliqz thing, it does seem fairly benign. They're collecting data to make a general search engine, and I think (?) that with EU data collection laws, if you say it's anonymized you better be sticking to that. I dunno, maybe their game plan is to have the 2nd best search engine and hope that google gets banned in the EU?


Certainly that type of data collection is no worse than what google is doing all the time. But there's reasons I haven't switched from FF to chrome. And while that list is getting shorter all the time, the best remaining reason is that google sometimes creeps me out. I got an android phone a year ago and it's been alternately unpleasant and annoying to see them use more data points for "responsive suggestions".

unpleasant because something about the 3rd device let them realize my desktop and my laptop are used by the same person, so I started seeing poo poo follow me from one to the other. annoying because most of the time the poo poo they focus on is so wrong. I swear, follow one linked video from the star citizen thread and suddenly google thinks you really loving love star citizen.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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WattsvilleBlues posted:

Try pinning tabs you want left open.

Pinned tabs are a poor fit for that. It doesn't prevent it from being closed, other than in the most minimal sense of not having a close button. Pinned tabs are per-window, so closing a window will lose those tabs.

With tab groups it was a pretty cool feature -- pinned tabs showed up on all groups, so you could close a group and keep the pinned tabs. And when I used groups I usually only kept 1 firefox window, so there was no chance to accidentally lose them with a window close. Too bad tab groups are going in the trash with everything else!


Boris Galerkin posted:

this poo poo is cancerous and needs to be eliminated fullstop.

I feel this crap will accelerate google's deployment of some minimal ad-blocking to Chrome, particularly mobile.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Kerning Chameleon posted:

[*]Flashblock: Stopped updating 2 years ago, would really like a replacement as I like selectively blocking Flash elements on the fly in concert with my AdNauseum/uMatrix/Stylus/Video Blocker combo.
Ditch flash entirely, it's scheduled to be deleted from the internet. If you're seeing flash these days it's probably an ad. If you like newgrounds or some other flash games use Edge or Chrome for those particular sites.

quote:

[*]Youtube download video extension: I'd like to keep this, but the replacement Firefox suggested looks sketchy as a gently caress from the description and especially review pages.

"youtube-dl -f bestvideo+140 URL"

Browser-based youtube download extensions are dead, youtube-dl is what you want. Here is a frontend, but if you can figure out some very basic command line use you really don't need it.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Stylish is not malware.

It was bought / partnered with a for-profit company, and it does ping their servers with the location of every single website you visit (because it loads the available styles for the site). So if you care about telemetry collection, they're doing that. OTOH if you're that :tinfoil: about big data, why are you using a web browser at all? The rest of the internet is also tracking you, "incognito mode" does nothing, you are a number not a person.


IMHO the real deal on stylish vs its forks is that Stylish is now very focused on pre-made styles, and the forks are still pretty much built for making your own stuff. So if you just want stuff like a youtube dark mode that auto-updates and don't give a poo poo that yet another company knows what porn sites you like, use Stylish. If you want to hack on CSS yourself switch.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Truga posted:

This is the loving definition of spyware dude

Under that definition google and facebook are also spyware.

So if you're like blocking those with noscript and hosts entries as well, fine you also probably don't want to use stylish. That's your call. But telling people that stylish is malware, or somehow worse than everything else on the internet, is false.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Malloc Voidstar posted:

google knowing what sites you visit when you use their search engine is a lot different than a website theming extension knowing every single site you visit

Um, why? What are you worried that SimilarWeb will do with your web history that's worse than what google does? If anything, shouldn't you be more worried about the company that knows far more than just your web history, including aspects of your finances, health, and social relationships?

Truga posted:

Well, yes?
Okay.

In that case, please pick between:
* stop calling Stylish malware and instead describe it more accurately, like the stylish extension is collecting your web history so that normal people won't be confused
* call it malware, but also follow it up a web privacy rant about how everyone needs to block google, facebook is following you everywhere you go, they're always watching you. That way normal people can make the appropriate call on whether they agree with your definition of malware.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Dylan16807 posted:

Also neither that nor stylus have the ability to do UI theming, which sucks. userChrome.css is so much less convenient.

The dev console can be used to manipulate browser chrome on-the-fly. Still have to put those alterations into the .css file to be permanent, but at least the process of making tweaks is a lot faster.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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OhFunny posted:

I don't really see 57 outdoing Chrome on RAM usage. 8 tabs on the same sites on both browsers and task manager is showing Chrome with lower (admitting only 100mb) RAM usage. Maybe it scales out better, but beyond my usual us case.

Since Mozilla was also boasting about the improvements over 52 in Speedometer 2.0 I ran them through that and Firefox 57 scored 54 per minute and Chrome 61 per minute.

Hurrah! We killed off extensions and community goodwill for...



cis autodrag posted:

Why are you worrying about ram in 2017?

have you seen the price of ram sticks these days? in 2017 we can unironically worry about memory use!

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Scalding Coffee posted:

Is it normal for 57 to open multiple instances in the processes of task manager? It used less memory than ESR, but ran firefox four times and added to more usage of memory than before.

You can set it to use fewer processes in options but I don't think it will save much memory by doing so. You'll just have two 500 mb threads instead of four that go like 400-350-250-10 or whatever.

e:

FRINGE posted:

This is a bullshit response. There are still people stuck with the hardware they have, and a basic browser should not be a resource pit. (And I say that with Chrome in mind as the worst offender most of the time.)
On the flipside there are a whole lot of people that find nothing wrong with having 100 open tabs and somehow think it's the browser's fault for spending 3 gigs of memory on youtube video tabs they pressed pause on sometime last week with a "wanna get back to that later".

The good thing about having multiple processes is that the OS can hopefully page out more of those tabs out to the disk since their content process is doing nothing. You may see it take up 500mb of memory in Task Manager, but that doesn't mean 500mb of real RAM use.

Klyith fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 16, 2017

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Bieeardo posted:

This seems like a funny definition of 'extended' they're working with.
52 is from a while back so it's already most of the way into the cycle.


The main thing is they are intentionally being assholes about not scheduling an ESR around the biggest change to their ecosystem since forever. If there was a 56 ESR there would be plenty of time for the die-hards to adjust and the extension writers could take their time.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Volguus posted:

Or their database gets stolen (and they may or may not let you know, and they may or may not hash and salt the passwords).

If you use a password manager and therefore have 15-20 random characters as your password, yours will be uncracked when the thief has reverse hashed everyone else's and gotten tired of listening to his GPU fans whine. Even if the hashes are unsalted. Even if it's using MD5.

(Of course, some places still store passwords plain text. Including ones who really should know better.)

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Geemer posted:

Some really cool Goon once posted this neat GreaseMonkey script to add a pretty handy search box to the SA Smilies page. It doesn't seem to work with the new version of GreaseMonkey anymore. Does any of you smart and/or cool Goons know how to fix it?

The new webex version of greasemonkey made some changes that break compatibility with old scripts. I get the feeling the re-writes needed aren't that onerous, especially for small scripts like yours. But their documentation is poo poo, I looked at the stuff and decided you need to already know how to write scripts to know what to change.

Switch to tampermonkey if you have scripts that you want to keep using that are old and never gonna get updated.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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orcane posted:

What's the best way to download Youtube videos

use youtube-dl because browser extensions are a lousy way to download youtube videos

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Freakazoid_ posted:

What is it about browser extensions that makes them lousy? Is it just a poorly supported field, or are there difficult technical limitations?

1) youtube serves video using a format called DASH that sends the browser independent audio and video streams. there are still single-container streams available but they're either phone formats or max 720p and don't have the newest codecs. youtube-dl can take the higher quality parts from DASH and stitch them together. (you also need to grab ffmpeg from here and stick it in the same directory as youtube-dl to do the stitching.)

2) youtube would prefer not to be a video downloading service, so they make it difficult for browsers to do so. it frequently changes its pages in ways that break extensions. a dedicated program doesn't have those problems and is quicker to update.

3) since all the nerds have switched to youtube-dl, that's what's active and the extensions have died off.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Finally updated off old versions to 60 (ESR so I'll have time to get everything right before they move my cheese again)

I'm really happy that someone finally made a working extension for keyboard navigation of sites with obvious page structures -- including this here forum.

Still really miffed about losing FindBarTweak and a few other things, but at least the font rendering errors have finally stopped. Hurrah for that I guess.


edit nvm just needed to go to YOSPOS to see font rendering corruption more easily
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guess that *all-new* quantum renderer isn't so all-new that it fixed any old bugs

Klyith fucked around with this message at 07:44 on May 22, 2018

Klyith
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Ola posted:

Looks fine for me:


Perhaps try the Windows cleartype thing?

It's not an instant thing. The way I can most consistently replicate it is by leaving a window with a SA thread open and active for a while, then coming back to read it. Lots of gifs seems to be a factor. Switching tabs fixes it. The way I got that before & after pic was just changing the tab.

It's definitely related to windows cleartype -- it doesn't happen on other OSes and you can permanently fix the problem by forcing ff to not use cleartype and having ugly fonts. But when I ran down the issue on bugzilla it led back to guys talking about buffers and multiprocess and poo poo that was way over my head.


Truga posted:

I only ever see the corruption happen in yospos. It used to be more common, but now it just happens there and I don't get it.

Just noticed a bit of it in a grey thread, so it's definitely still happening everywhere. I think the YOS just makes it immediately visible. It's definitely better than it used to be with 56.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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atholbrose posted:

Well, my least favorite bug from the remote past is back. I have a bookmarks toolbar with one unlabeled folder in it and I've stuck it up on the toolbar for quick access to my most-used sites. There's a big >> next to it now, as if I needed to drop down a list of the other bookmarks/folders, but there aren't any. You used to be able to fix this by either renaming the folder with an actual name, or putting it at the far right with an extendible space next to it. Neither work now.

Any ideas?

Dunno how to unfuck your >> situation. (maybe restore defaults in the customize ui?)


but when you get it fixed, the better way to have unlabeled icons in your bookmarks bar is to paste this
code:
/*  hide bookmark toolbar text labels */
.bookmark-item > .toolbarbutton-text {
  display: none !important;
}
in your userchrome.css

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Who made these gross black and blue file icons for v60+?

they look like poo poo next to normal icons


programmers, keep your gooncave "night mode" UI features to yourselves.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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spasticColon posted:

Yes, I got the latest driver for my GTX1070.

and no problems with games or anything else?

since chrome is hosed up too this is pretty obviously not a firefox problem. do these steps and see if it does any better:
1. turn off internet
2. uninstall graphics drivers
3. use DDU to clean out any old driver leftovers
4. reinstall latest drivers

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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The Milkman posted:

Pocket is good, people just have a grudge against it because Mozilla sullied their precious default toolbar with a button for it

Pocket is fine, whatever. If I actually wanted to use Pocket, I'd use Pinboard.

Pocket is a lovely replacement for live bookmarks. Live bookmarks live in the bookmarks and are an easy way to see a single site's recent content. Pocket is build around consolidated flow. (This also applies to full-feature newsreaders.)


Live bookmarks getting removed with Pocket suggested as what people should switch to makes my :tinfoil: senses go off. Pocket is an ad-based service and I can't help but wonder if this was an intentional kill to push use of a revenue generator.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Klyith posted:

If I actually wanted to

nexus6 posted:

save a specific article for reading later and not have 50+ bookmarks
I'd use Pinboard.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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they need derivative designs for other mozilla projects that they want to tie into firefox branding (because firefox is still their most successful project)

the better question is "why is a non-profit foundation so obsessed with branding and re-branding?"

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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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FRINGE posted:

Turn off the mozilla spyware thing that cripples machines.

No. That thing you just cited is not the mozilla spyware*, that's crap from other applications outside firefox. Because every goddamn is crapware these days.

If you checked that box and it made firefox noticeably faster for you, and you don't use a screen reader, then you have some lovely software on your PC that is either spying on you, written by incompetents, or both. You should remove the lovely software rather than blame mozilla. Accessibility functions are the things made for blind people to use computers. No program should be touching that for other purposes.



*that's pocket

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