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.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

calandryll posted:

I have a cheap burr grinder right now, and do espresso when I get in the mood some mornings. I think this was discussed in the last thread. But I saw on the Baratza website a refurb Starbucks Barista, is this the same as the Maestro?

Yes. This needs to get added to the OP the question pops up enough, twice on this page already. >.>

Also, from what I've read you need to modify the Barista a bit for espresso as it's default setup is not fine enough to do espresso.

http://www.ineedcoffee.com/07/hack-starbucks-grinder/

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.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Bob_McBob posted:

French presses have a metal mesh filter in them, but it lets through a fair amount of sludge. I dislike sediment in iced coffee, so I always run cold brew through a paper filter, no matter how I brewed it.

So is there any reason to use a toddy or that bodum above? Can't I just mix up grounds with water, let it sit, then filter out the grounds?

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

that Vai sound posted:

I'm on the eastside of the lake, so getting over to Seattle for coffee is not the quickest option. But since I'm not in any particular rush, it might work for starts.

Hey fellow Eastsider,

There are a few good coffee places on the Eastside.

I know 2 good places in Kirkland,

Coffee Rococo roasts its own coffee, it's the entire area behind cashier area.
http://rocococoffee.com/

Nearby that store is a Zoka's coffee which is great for esperesso they have some super fancy espresso machine, and boy does it work.

and 2 more in Bellevue.

There is a Starbucks in Bellevue with a Clover machine for a good cup of coffee.
10214 NE 8th, Bellevue, WA 98004

Finally, the Cupcake Royale in Bellevue is serving Stumptown coffee, plus good cupcakes if you want something sweet.
21 Bellevue Way Northeast, Bellevue, WA 98004

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Joe Friday posted:

My favorite work from home lunch break is a stop at Salumi

I hate you. Please die.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

eke out posted:

buy a 57.5mm screen for it and an extra basket so I can do a second shot quickly without having to clean the first out

When you say you bought a screen as an upgrade, are you talking about getting a mesh screen to replace the filter screen Robots already come with? Or do you use it some other way?

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

eke out posted:

you put it on top in place of a paper filter.

see, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bks7Li6642M

So you are using the mesh screen to completely replace the Robot's included filter screen, correct?

Or are you using the mesh filter alongside the Robot's included filter screen? Sorta like how this guy is using both a paper filter + the Robot's filter screen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNqyD78-Hwc

Though in either case, have you found it made for a noticeable improvement in shot quality?

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

eke out posted:

just bought it, won't get to try it out till it gets here later this week but i believe you have to put the robot's filter on top still

that said, i do think generally putting paper filters on tops is optional but makes shots a little bit better. i kinda expect a similar marginal improvement with the screen, enough you can notice but probably still pretty subtle -- and even if that's all it is i'll be happy, as i hate having yet another disposable paper product to buy

Got it, hope it proves worthwhile. I got my Robot before the paper filters started being a thing and have not tried it out still.

On the topic of upgrades, I got the hands and thought they were a significant improvement to usage and comfort.

https://www.cafelatstore.com/products/robot-hands
https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/cafelat/comfortable-mittens-cafel-sp

Google Butt posted:

drat the robot is a beautiful device, kind of out of my budget right now since I'd have to buy a grinder, but drat

I love my Robot, but it's not like it pulls better shots than the Flair. It's just less fussy. You don't have to preheat anything and cleanup is really quick. Also Flair's got arguably better ergonomics.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Clark Nova posted:

timemore and 1zpresso will both be better than a skerton. I think they both have smaller/travel grinders at or under $100

e: I have the 1zpresso JX and it's great, though a bit over budget

Seconding 1zpresso. Tried the JX and liked it, though I splurged and got a J-Max since I wanted something that could do espresso in a pinch and have been happy.

1zpresso Q2 is on sale at $89 at the moment and would be more than enough for French Press.
https://www.amazon.com/1Zpresso-AeroPress-Stainless-Numerical-Adjustable/dp/B083TGGHGL

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

I've been looking around for an alternative to the bellman steamer and stumbled across this on Aliexpress:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001992968590.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.1.5df97fb2ugH0U7


It's a manual, gas-powered espresso machine. Is it wrong I sorta want one?

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Argona posted:

The grinder came in and oh my god, it's night and day. No longer do I need to take like 5 minutes to use the blade, sieve, use the blade again, and get uneven grounds. I've had more coffee during the week than I have since college.
https://i.imgur.com/60ulyAq.mp4

RichterIX posted:

Yeah, I kind of figured this was the issue, the Flair Neo is probably the cheapest we'll ever see I'm guessing.

I would like some cheaper options for spring lever machines. The cheapest production machine I've found is the Elektra Microcasa at $1600. If we take the Europiccola as a baseline, it doesn't seem like it should take an extra $800 worth of material to make. I'd seriously consider something of questionable origins like the machine I posted earlier if there was a spring lever option. Thankfully the Odyssey OE-1 is being developed and here's hoping it works out.

That being said, it's hard to justify another machine when I've got a Robot.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

nwin posted:

What’s the difference between a spring and manual lever? Like, with the manual in a la pavoni, you draw the water in and then you provide the necessary bars of pressure by pushing down on the handle, right? How is a spring different?

You and I seem to be in the same boat. I have a robot which I love and I mainly drink espresso. My wife is more into americanos than cappuccinos, so I have a nanofoamer on the rare occasion she wants a capp.


With a spring lever, you use the lever to compress the spring and the spring provides the necessary bars of pressure when you release the lever. Also, I stumbled across a spring lever machine more comparable to the La Pavoni in price, the Ponte Vecchio Export. But I would still prefer the OE-1 with the PID and pressure gauges, but I'll wait to see what the reviews are like as well.

Honestly I think my ideal would be a spring lever version of a Flair or Robot. A machine whose sole purpose is to provide a repeatable pressure profile, I just find something immensely appealing about the spring lever mechanism.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

You know you want a Pac-man themed Zoji:
https://shop.zojirushi.com/collections/vacuum-insulated-mugs-bottles/products/smshe48pa

Ugh, it tempts me. But I've already got a Zoji.

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.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

seravid posted:

What's the next step in grinders coming from a Hario mini mill? It's just too inconsistent. I was set on a Baratza Encore or Wilfa Svart but I don't know if that's overkill considering I only use a Clever dripper and, ocassionally, a French press.

You don't need to go electric for that. Get the 1Zpresso JX. It'll end up being the last grinder you'll need for anything non-espresso. It grinds much faster than a Mini Mill. And if you've got doubts, get it from Amazon for easy return.
https://www.amazon.com/1Zpresso-Manual-Coffee-Grinder-Light/dp/B07VNQYJDG

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Spiggy posted:

It looks like it. I started looking into the Decent once I realized that I don't like making milk drinks at home because of the workflow, and the Decent checks all of the boxes I'd like out of a machine in theory. The main thing scaring me off is it being a new company and looking a touch janky. I'll be happy if a company nails this style of machine without it looking cheap or feeling too "techy" for lack of a better word.

What is it about the workflow of other machines that turns you off to making milk drinks? The DE1 machines could be considered a worse milk drink maker for some since they can't brew and steam simultaneously.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

hypnophant posted:

john buckman (decent founder) has talked about this and some of the machines are technically capable of simultaneous steam, but they don’t want to enable it because they can’t get totally consistent steam power that way, it always drops off when the brew group is on. as an owner i don’t think it’s a problem since i can start the shot and then do whatever other prep i need for the milk drink and the shot is basically done when i’m ready to steam. the steam is really good on the decent and the workflow is still far better than a single boiler machine since you don’t have to wait for the boiler to come to steam temp.

I don't disagree, was just calling it out as a possible issue if Spiggy had wanted to be able to do two things at once. It got brought up quite a bit when I was looking into the DE1.

Spiggy posted:

The workflow issue is with my current Silvia and the problems that come with single boiler machines. My apartment counter is too small to fit the depth of most HX/DB machines, so steaming and brewing at once is probably out the question unless I get a Breville Dual Boiler.

The DE1 seems like overkill for that. If you are satisfied with the Silvia's results and aren't looking to do latte art, why not get a heated milk frother like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H195F48
Alternatively you could go the stove top route or get a mini-hotplate and get a bellman steamer and be able to do steamed milk with microfoam and everything.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Lol Scott Rao doesn't seem to be impressed with the synesso so far.


I like that the Synesso has a dedicated hot water spout and, presumably, a sealed water chamber. Was not a fan of DE1's approach to those aspects.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

hypnophant posted:

?? the decent has the same spout, it just exits under the grouphead

Oooh. I had gotten the idea that it was dispensing water through the grouphead.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

seravid posted:

Is a manual espresso maker usable if you're short on time? While I'm happy with my current setup, sometimes I only have time to enjoy 30ml of coffee before work, not 300ml. In order to finally stop buying capsules for days like that, I'm now considering going full coffee nerd and acquire a Flair Pro 2 (or equivalent in the 300€ range?). Watching workflow videos, though, with preheating the chamber and the portafilter and zen gardening the grounds before tamping and finally assembling the stack to pull the shot... makes it seem much more time-consuming than the clever dripper and french press I use, even if the actual brewing of the shot ends up being much faster.

I realize a machine would better fit my needs, but 1) probably not my budget, 2) I'd rather not have yet another plugged-in monolith on the kitchen top and 3) pulling a lever is more fun than pressing a button.

I'm now regretting buying the non-pro version of the 1zpresso JX, though...

I think the Cafelat Robot would suit your need for speed. It doesn’t need preheating, is quick to setup, and quick to clean up afterwards. The time it takes from start to end is however long it takes my kettle to boil + two minutes. And most of that two minutes is just cleanup.

The downside is that it’s going to be around 400€ after upgrading to the Barista version for a pressure gauge and adding in the “hands” accessory for improved ergonomics. The self-leveling tamper is nice, but can be skipped with practice.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Qylvaran posted:

I might be doing something wrong then. I pretty much always wait for it to cool down before cleaning, and I haven't gone above 15g. Maybe pressing out the last of the water would help. I haven't been doing that.

Yeah, you should be pressing out all the water before trying to dump the grounds. This is true for all the manual espresso makers. If you don't press out all the water before dumping the puck, you won't get that nice compressed puck.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Clark Nova posted:

Yeah, the only thing a drip brewer has over the clever coffee dripper in terms of ease of use is not having to time the immersion yourself. Are there any clever dripper clones that are worth checking out now that the original is like forty goddamn dollars and still plastic?

Hario Switch. It needs a filter of some kind (Paper, metal, cloth, etc) and has a bunch a different 'recipes' depending on the grind size and filter used. But I always end up back with Hoffman's Sibarist setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjIvN8mlK9Y

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Bioshuffle posted:

Could a lay person distinguish the difference between glass ceramic and plastic v60?

I recently picked up a gooseneck Kettle and I'm curious to give the v60 a try.

If you want to avoid plastic and are willing to spend a bit more, take a look at the Switch. You get a v60 and an immersion brewing method. Additionally, preheating the brewer is a lot easier than a standard glass/ceramic v60 since you can plug the hole and just fill it up with hot water vs having to do a bit of continuous pouring/steaming it.

nwin posted:

I haven’t seen Hoffman or any other reviewers talk about even receiving a unit yet. The manufacturer has been at a few expos and posts on instagram with videos of it being used, but that’s it so far.

There is an Argos thread in Espresso Aficionados' lever-machines channel that has a bit more content than what's on instagram. It's not much more, but it's something for anyone wanting to dig in a bit more.
https://discord.gg/espresso

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

VelociBacon posted:

My brother is a poor man with no decent grinder in his life, but he is an Artist and he loves coffee and espresso (has a gaggia classic).

I have a eureka mignon chrono which I kinda understand to be basically the cheapest grinder that can decently do espresso. Is the baratza encore that you are talking about decent enough for espresso? This is a guy who has been drinking lovely espresso for like years at this point (basically with an unpressurized portafilter basket but way too coarse) and when he came over and tried one from my machine done in the way that we all do it, he was pretty depressed about his own stuff (oops). If the encore is good enough I'll buy him one.

IIRC, Encore will work, though he'd want to pair it with a pressurized basket.

Alternatively, if you can stretch the budget a bit and your brother is fine with manual grinding, 1Zpresso JX-Pro.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YNDX5HW

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

bergeoisie posted:

I recently got a Niche Zero and the little cup is super static-y. It's kind of a pain to knock it like 4 times to get the last remnants of ground beans out. Anything I can do to fix that?

Did you get a brand new one or a used one? If it's a used one you might have the old grind cup design. The new cup cut down a lot on the static issue.
https://nichespares.com/products/niche-grind-cup

If you've got the new cup, give the grounds a stir with a wood skewer.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

nwin posted:

The lithium v2 is a huge step up for the nanofoamer, but there’s also this coming:



Who knows how it will work, but I’ve been impressed with their two nanofoamers.

Kickstarter for this is up for anyone interested.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/subminimal/nanofoamer-pro

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Corb3t posted:

The latest coffee-related Kickstarter launched today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8qKs1mIYQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT-UtMcwRJY

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/meticulous/meticulous-espresso?ref=user_menu

Metculous robot lever espresso machine
~250g water reservoir
6 temperature sensors
Pressure and Flow Control
Built-in Acaia-Powered scale
Bluetooth/App Compatible (but not required)
$1100 Day 1 Preorder Pricing ($2000 MSRP)
Starts Shipping December 2023

Pretty expensive risk for a relatively new business, but they've partnered with a bunch of respective companies and the overall product looks ready to go. This plus a TimeMore Sculptor and NanoFoamer would be a pretty nice setup for $1500.

I may need to come up with an extra $1100 by May.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-dxaLZTfGc

That $1100 is only for the people who paid for the early bird access through their website. They’re say they’ll be email verifying, but I have to wonder if that would be violating some Kickstarter policy.

Everyone else it’s $1199 for the first day with a $50 price increase every day after that till it caps at $1499.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Mu Zeta posted:

James Hoffman tried the new Starbucks olive oil drinks and he doesn't hate them and actually finds them intriguing. Though he's tasting them at their flagship Reserve Roastery in Milan. I'm sure it will turn to poo poo by the time it comes here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XewgO7j6y-E

I think it’s already rolled out to most, if not all, the Reserves. Looking at the menus for the US stores shows Oleato drinks.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Brut posted:

Is there any new competition to the Aeropress these days? I'm wondering if anyone got inspired by it and made some similar products, I'm specifically interested in something not made of plastic but I'm generally curious about anything that comes to mind. (I guess the Flair technically fits the description but I mean more on the cheaper side)

Not sure about a non-plastic Aeropress competitor that isn't just a manual espresso maker, but someone does make a stainless steel version of the aeropress if you wanted to go that route.
https://www.artisansmith.com.au/collections/brewing/products/artisan-press-stainless-steel

Otherwise, the only thing I've come across that's non-plastic and as quick and convenient to make a brew with is a Hario Switch. And even then, there is still some small amount of contact with silicone base during draining.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Is it 9 bar? The website says 15. Lol

I think that's just what the pump itself is capable of, not what they're trying to achieve during extraction.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Hoffman sharing the results of his America Taste Test event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMOOQfeloH0

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.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Google Butt posted:

So I got a ninja creami deluxe for Christmas, has anyone tried making some espresso type treat with one before?

Papa Hoffman's got you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPn77jpt2w

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