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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Ching Shih would be pretty great for a bit of 'oh god everyone else is hosed'.

In fact, several female pirates would make great Servants.

Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Aug 30, 2014

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Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Yeah I don't think it would be too hard, especially if you're prepared to use mythological characters like in FSN.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Gaius Marius posted:

Reusing that same trope is exceptionally lazy writing.


Naw man you just gotta get more creative Morgan le Fay, Boudica, Penthesilea, Calamity Jane bam there's four right there.

Mulan as well, along with some other famous Asian historical figures, heck Extra had Amaterasu right? Since Archer is from the future no reason we can't throw in people from as recent as WWII, why not have Lyudmila Pavlichenko?

e: I've always wondered why not just outright use gods as well? Many from Norse and Greek mythology could easily be genderswapped in either direction. Or are ancient Gods actually also a thing in the Nasuverse?

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Raenir Salazar posted:

Mulan as well, along with some other famous Asian historical figures, heck Extra had Amaterasu right? Since Archer is from the future no reason we can't throw in people from as recent as WWII, why not have Lyudmila Pavlichenko?

e: I've always wondered why not just outright use gods as well? Many from Norse and Greek mythology could easily be genderswapped in either direction. Or are ancient Gods actually also a thing in the Nasuverse?

I think it's said somewhere that gods aren't allowed unless they were humans or other lesser beings at some point.

And while WWII-era people aren't banned per se, you're not going to get many people with the necessary amount of mystery or power.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good

Silver2195 posted:

I think it's said somewhere that gods aren't allowed unless they were humans or other lesser beings at some point.

And while WWII-era people aren't banned per se, you're not going to get many people with the necessary amount of mystery or power.

that dude who hosed up Nazis with a Zweihander would basically be the best Servant who ever lived

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Silver2195 posted:

I think it's said somewhere that gods aren't allowed unless they were humans or other lesser beings at some point.

And while WWII-era people aren't banned per se, you're not going to get many people with the necessary amount of mystery or power.

The only person I really see acting as s servant from the modern age would be the Red Baron as a rider.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

I don't think it would be appropriate to use historical figures from within living memory. FZ (unlike FSN) does include some definite historical figures, but they're at least from so long ago that it's unlikely anyone will care.

e: with that said Red Baron Rider sounds great

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Hunt11 posted:

The only person I really see acting as s servant from the modern age would be the Red Baron as a rider.

Just about any of the old west Gunslingers, Wild Bill Hickock, Billy the Kid, Calamity Jane and the like would make a pretty good Archers I imagine.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Gaius Marius posted:

Just about any of the old west Gunslingers, Wild Bill Hickock, Billy the Kid, Calamity Jane and the like would make a pretty good Archers I imagine.

Johnny Appleseed, the Biomancer Caster.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

AlternateNu posted:

Johnny Appleseed, the Biomancer Caster.

Aleister Crowley might be a Caster candidate as well.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

klapman posted:

that dude who hosed up Nazis with a Zweihander would basically be the best Servant who ever lived

Should he be Saber or Archer, though?

quote:

Churchill resumed his commission after Poland was invaded. In May 1940 Churchill and his unit, the Manchester Regiment, ambushed a German patrol near L'Epinette, France. Churchill gave the signal to attack by cutting down the enemy Feldwebel (sergeant) with a barbed arrow, becoming the only British soldier known to have felled an enemy with a longbow in WWII. According to his son Malcolm, "He and his section were in a tower and as the Germans approached he said 'I will shoot that first German with an arrow,' and that's exactly what he did."

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ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Honestly as a Korean I just want Yi Sun-Sin as Rider or Archer. Probably Archer though. Fate/extra already did the Rider with a boat thing.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Honestly as a Korean I just want Yi Sun-Sin as Rider or Archer. Probably Archer though. Fate/extra already did the Rider with a boat thing.

Hell yeah reading his history reads like some action movie. How one man can be such a stone cold bad rear end and still be virtually unknown in the west is baffling to me. He's like Admiral Nelson but twenty times as bad rear end. His chances in being in a Japanese developed game are less than zero.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I'm sure every Korean male has, at least once in his lifetime, wanted to be Yi Sun-Sin. Roaring Currents just reignited a flame that was already burning deep within. Still haven't watched the movie though.

Gaius Marius posted:

Hell yeah reading his history reads like some action movie. How one man can be such a stone cold bad rear end and still be virtually unknown in the west is baffling to me. He's like Admiral Nelson but twenty times as bad rear end. His chances in being in a Japanese developed game are less than zero.

Yeah, Korean admiral who fought off a bunch of Japanese invaders is not gonna sit well with a country that still has trouble admitting that their role in WW2 may not have been a good thing.

Zogundar
Dec 5, 2007

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Yeah, Korean admiral who fought off a bunch of Japanese invaders is not gonna sit well with a country that still has trouble admitting that their role in WW2 may not have been a good thing.

Not Korean, but there are weird exceptions out there. Like the 1942 series, where the object of the game is for one American plane to destroy the entire Japanese navy and air force by itself. And then you got strategy games like P.T.O., where in the second game the Japanese side's music makes them sound unambiguously evil while the Americans get a heroic anthem.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Zogundar posted:

Not Korean, but there are weird exceptions out there. Like the 1942 series, where the object of the game is for one American plane to destroy the entire Japanese navy and air force by itself. And then you got strategy games like P.T.O., where in the second game the Japanese side's music makes them sound unambiguously evil while the Americans get a heroic anthem.

Jesus poo poo how is that even possible.

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Jesus poo poo how is that even possible.

Its a bullet hell shooter. Realism is not a thing its going for.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Jesus poo poo how is that even possible.

It's a Shoot 'em up

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Oh, no, it wasn't the shoot 'em up aspect that shocked me, it was the America beats Japan thing. It just surprised me that a game like that could get made and be popular. Then again I guess as a shoot 'em up the premise and stuff was just glossed over.

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012

Nyaa posted:

I always figure gender swapping is a good twist to the original tale and hide the servant's identity.

Talking about Saber again for a moment, there's another really nice twist to the King Arthur story that Nasu did for Saber. In most versions of the Arthur story that I've read, at least, Arthur sort of bumbles into becoming king pretty much. He pulls out the sword in the stone with really realizing exactly what he's doing, and has to have other people tell him that what he did was important.

On the other hand, Nasu's change makes it so the Arturia knows exactly what she's doing when she pulls the sword out and spent her whole life training and preparing for that crucial moment, when she would need to become king and rule her country, even if she could tell very few people about who she really is.

Really, Takeuchi's idea to turn Saber into a woman was a stroke of genius, on the marketing and plot front.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Sylphid posted:

Talking about Saber again for a moment, there's another really nice twist to the King Arthur story that Nasu did for Saber. In most versions of the Arthur story that I've read, at least, Arthur sort of bumbles into becoming king pretty much. He pulls out the sword in the stone with really realizing exactly what he's doing, and has to have other people tell him that what he did was important.

On the other hand, Nasu's change makes it so the Arturia knows exactly what she's doing when she pulls the sword out and spent her whole life training and preparing for that crucial moment, when she would need to become king and rule her country, even if she could tell very few people about who she really is.

Really, Takeuchi's idea to turn Saber into a woman was a stroke of genius, on the marketing and plot front.

So, in the Nasuverse, is Excalibur the sword in the stone or was it given to Arturia by the Lady of the Lake (and thus she actually has a second sword)?

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
There are two swords. Nasu calls the sword in the stone Caliburn, and after Arturia loses it somehow she is given Excalibur and Avalon by the Lady in the Lake.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Scrree posted:

There are two swords. Nasu calls the sword in the stone Caliburn, and after Arturia loses it somehow she is given Excalibur and Avalon by the Lady in the Lake.

Wasn't Caliburn Gawain's sword in Fate/Extra?

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

AlternateNu posted:

Wasn't Caliburn Gawain's sword in Fate/Extra?

Gawain's is called Excalibur Galantine I believe.

Stevefin
Sep 30, 2013

As an Australian Ned Kelly would be a unique servant choice

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Hollow Ataraxia full translation finally released, sort of: http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5046-Fate-Hollow-Ataraxia-Translation-Patches

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
I'm looking outside my window right now, but I don't see any pigs flying. Are you sure?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

BlitzBlast posted:

I'm looking outside my window right now, but I don't see any pigs flying. Are you sure?

Well, it's not the final version; the plan is to have one more patch with typos, etc. corrected.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

so what is HA anyway?

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Kagetsu Tohya version F/SN.

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:

Cake Attack posted:

so what is HA anyway?
Sequel of f/n with everyone living in peace. 90% slice of life/ comedy, and 10% badass fights. It rounds up a couple things that's not presented in f/n like other servant's back stories, reveal a few thing you might have missed, and fan services. Lots of really fun mini games too.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011


It took what, 8 years?

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





TheLovablePlutonis posted:

It took what, 8 years?

Eight years and a new translation team, yeah.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
Hollow Ataraxia is pretty amazing; half of the events are about cooking, buying food for cooking, or talking to people about what to cook.

The amazing punchline to this obsession is that one of Avenger's, who is literally Persian Satan, main complaints about Bazett is that she doesn't appreciate good food and simply sees eating as a way of getting nutrients.

Scrree fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Sep 16, 2014

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Seriously, it's Gurrrm levels of food-porn.

Shazaminator
Oct 11, 2007
The power of Shazam compels you!

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Oh, no, it wasn't the shoot 'em up aspect that shocked me, it was the America beats Japan thing. It just surprised me that a game like that could get made and be popular. Then again I guess as a shoot 'em up the premise and stuff was just glossed over.

On a similar note, ten years ago Medal of Honor: Rising Sun was released. It was also very popular in Japan.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
With 2 weeks to go I was going to start putting together a UBW thread unless someone else feels like it. I did ask Zorak and he said no to a second thread or Type-Moon general thread so it'll just be a vanilla UBW thread with the usual rules, and if it gets bad with spoilers we'll cross that bridge when we get there. While there is probably a huge crossover of people who watched Fate/Zero I was thinking of simply going with a "tag everything" sort of approach.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

What is Zorak's beef with a TM thread exactly? It's a pretty huge brand and it would hardly be the first thread of that kind.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Rodyle posted:

What is Zorak's beef with a TM thread exactly? It's a pretty huge brand and it would hardly be the first thread of that kind.

I'm pretty sure it is just a personal thing at the point. He has something against the IP for some reason. (Maybe because it started off as a set of ero-games?)

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Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

Rodyle posted:

What is Zorak's beef with a TM thread exactly? It's a pretty huge brand and it would hardly be the first thread of that kind.
You'd have to ask him but I think his response was more in context of a second thread seemingly specifically for visual novel discussion for the duration of UBW. After the ignoble ending to the VN thread he doesn't seem to be in any rush to bring something like that back. But after UBW is over and it inevitably derails into T-M shenanigans maybe we could get one through?

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