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DerDestroyer posted:The reason I ask this question is because I'm seeing and hearing a lot about people who are really nostalgic about the GDR days and want to go back to those days because they were guaranteed a job etc etc. This is mostly the people that got hosed over really bad by the way the economic change was handled. Certain people made a lot of money and a lot of people lost their jobs. There were lots of areas with unemployment between 20% and 25% in the 90s. Some people just had trouble to adapt and wanted the old way back, but the majority either hated the DDR with such a passion that they said everything is better than that or just liked the improved living conditions enough to not look back.
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DerDestroyer posted:
How can the government stop companies from opening factories in other countries though?
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DerDestroyer posted:Volkswagen! Designed in Germany, built in Timbuktu. Meanwhile another ten thousand people find themselves on Hartz_IV and 1 Euro jobs. Uh I think you are going a bit far with your point, what you just said could basically be printed on a NPD poster.
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Well I'm sure you've heard the term 'liquid democracy' thrown around. Either delegate your vote to someone or vote yourself, with the ability to change the decision about who you delegate to at any time. This concept is pretty cool and it would probably be a good idea to employ it more in politics. First we will have to see, if the Piraten can adopt it internally or if they just ignore it and become a normal party. If they would really manage to adopt this liquid democracy concept long-term, it could influence the way politics are done in this country. At the moment I am pretty skeptical, though.
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May 8, 2012 23:28
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hankor posted:If I don't have a government that can follow a plan and that can strong arm unpopular decisions when it needs to you end up with a directionless middle of the road approach. You mean some sort of consensus reached between people with different political goals? Just like we have now? I really don't think the general direction of main political decisions would change all too much, overall, and you would still have big parties dictating a majority of decisions. As you said, a lot of stuff is boring to most people and they would just delegate their vote. But to have the possibility to directly vote on stuff that really matters to you and that you know and care about would be great.
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Baronjutter posted:http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2012/04/2012423832530988.html Nah, it is about money, of course. If one of the parents has a job, they get (sorta permanent) residency permits and are safe. If you are poor and live on social security, better don't cause trouble!  I don't really see what being born somewhere has to do with citizenship though, why should it matter?
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May 10, 2013 22:45
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Is this in response to my post? I didn't say anything to contradict that.
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May 10, 2013 23:06
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German culture should be open to all kinds of new things in order to not get stale! If people stop eating Sauerbraten and want to eat Döner instead than that's the way it is. Putting cool new things into our culture should not be feared.
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May 12, 2013 22:57
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Sereri posted:shitstorm is shorter, sounds cooler because it's English parrhesia posted:Kotgewitter The mighty German language always finds a way! However, media is retarded and uses words in retarded ways. Edit: Also, the usage was probably started by some intern at Spiegel Online or something who just really wanted to use shitstorm in a "serious" news situation and others followed. elbkaida fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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Velho! posted:I'm not complaining, but how did the FDP lose so many votes? Did their previous voters go to CDU/CSU and AfD? I think them getting so many votes last time was just lucky and the fact that a lot of people ran away from the two big parties. But then they embarrassed themselves right out of the gate by blatantly giving handouts to certain businesses that sponsored them. Probably they also got a bunch of young voters back then who realized they were actually poo poo (and not really liberal but just neocon) and went on to other parties (probably CDU). AfD sucked some voters away and the FDP just never did anything to really win some voters back (that I can think of).
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Sep 22, 2013 20:23
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I think the right-wing just lacks talent. Most people who are far-right but have some political skill would probably rather join CDU and keep the most radical ideas out of the public (or if lucky live in Bayern and can join CSU). Being in the CDU is a good way to get somewhere with your political career, but the far-right parties (most notably NPD) seem to be horrible messes with poo poo organisation, money problems and too many nutters and/or drama queens. (The same probably applies at the far-left, where silly infighting and crazies make fringe parties unenjoyable for people that want to organize stuff)
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Riso posted:To be fair, Gisy is a confirmed Stasi snitch. So they are afraid he is...going to spy on people? Or give info to the russians or what? Makes no sense IMO. Is the surveillance of Gysi recent or from early 90s?
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William Bear posted:You're going to Hamburg? Be careful, the US Department of State has even issued a travel warning to much of the nightlife areas of the city. Haha, brilliant. quote:Even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid areas of demonstrations or public gatherings, especially in the restricted areas, and exercise caution if in the vicinity of any large gatherings, protests, or demonstrations. Normally you read these kind of warnings about countries like Lebanon or Egypt. Declaring the Gefahrengebiet is such a ridiculous move to me, I don't get the weird hard-on for law&order shenanigans they have in Hamburg.
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GaussianCopula posted:Are you going to be around the car 100% of time? otherwise the investment in a cheap parking space that has some measure of security might not be the worst idea, especially in Berlin. If you are not parking in front of some bars full of drunks it shouldn't be a problem IMO. Torrannor posted:No posts about a prominent German football player coming out? Only in the Bundesliga thread a few, but nobody is really phased one way or another it seems.
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Jan 9, 2014 18:40
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Boner Slam posted:It has been my experience as well that rural regions manage to somehow breed some of the unenlightened, racist and homophobic idiots I have ever seen in many countries - exactly because they believe that such things do not exist in Germany. Unenlightened, racist and homophobic idiots are bred in cities too, you know. It's more that often people lacking these traits tend to run away from rural areas so there is a bit of an imbalance.
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Cingulate posted:Looking at it the other way around: I can KIND OF understand robbing a bank, or your own party, for Scrooge McDuck quantities so you may spend the rest of your days consuming nothing but the highest-grade heroin. But for 6000€? You don't really get how this type of people work, huh. He probably thinks he's entitled to the money because he worked so hard for the party and sacrificed so much and what is good for him is good for the party and btw there need to be some new doors installed in the garage so why not take this money, right?
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I think it's cool that Burschenschaften are keeping all those silly old traditions alive but unfortunately they are also often keeping 19th century worldviews alive so no sympathies there.
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waitwhatno posted:What did Merkel do to that poor woman? Whatever it is, it must be something really evil. Merkel did nothing.
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Aug 26, 2015 23:53
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You know being from East Germany (Saxony), I always wonder what the group of disenfranchised HartzIV recipients that surely is present in the west is moaning about. I only lived in Munich for a while, where most people seemed pretty well off except one or two areas like Hasenbergl. There it was a large migrant population, do they just keep their mouths shut because that's how to go places as a "foreigner" in Germany? And the local Germans can't be as openly racist as in the East because they would get beat up? The people I met in Munich weren't any more or less racist than in Dresden, so I wonder why it is not coming out as much...
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Nektu posted:
The first paragraph describes the situation in the nineties, when unemployment was ridiculous and people got screwed over a lot by the changes. Things changed quite a bit in the last twenty years though and it seemed we had left the bad days behind us. That's why I am really disappointed to see the lovely xenophobia come back. That line about conformity in society reads a bit bizarre to me.
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You mean middle germans? :crying-MDR-logo:
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Most of these guys are pretty young, they will surely adapt fairly quickly. In a couple years they will support the German national team, drink German beer and listen to German hip hop.
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What kind of weird voter migration happened in Rheinland-Pfalz? Greens lost 10%, did these people go to SPD/CDU, who in turn lost voters to AfD? Are there any big reasons to switch away from green in that state? Edit: icantfindaname posted:Why do the Greens do so well in Baden-Württemberg? Greens are the "feelgood conservatives" and conservatism is pretty big in BW I guess elbkaida fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 13, 2016 |
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They are progressive socially (hence the feelgood) but otherwise pretty similar to SPD/CDU in stance on EU and other big topics. The NIMBY stuff is mostly local activist groups that might be associated with the greens or not. That leaves the anti-nuclear thing and I honestly do not know how it featured in the BW elections... Also NIMBY seems very conservative in spirit?
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botany posted:Yeah they're noit conservative by any meaning of the word. That's why I qualified what I said. Feel free to respond to my other post! Edit: Would you say it's fair to call CDU conservative?
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:why can't The Left capitalize on the current situation why can't they Idk the left parties seem to have completely lost touch with their supposed core voters. Looking at the stats, AfD is extremely far ahaed of Linke in the demographics of workers or jobless people. In Sachsen-Anhalt or Baden-Württemberg the same is true for SPD. Another interesting thing to see is that AfD managed to get a lot of Nichtwähler to turn out and snatched up a big portion of people voting 'other'. 75% of the current AfD voters being protest voters sheds some real doubts about the longterm viability though... Edit: A similar thing is going on in the UK with UKIP vs Labour btw, where low-income voters run away from the traditional wokring man's party.
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Randler posted:Und eigentlich müsste man die Deutschen viel stärker dazu anhalten in Aktien anzulegen für die private Altersvorsorge because the stock market can only go one way: up, up, up!
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Protection squad has a good ring to it, will propose that at the local AfD meeting!
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If you are born in Germany and live here until 18 are you not automatically qualified to be German citizen?
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System Metternich posted:Fun fact: Until the 18th century and possibly even beyond, visitors to Germany would often write that the Saxon dialect was the most beautiful one. One of them even likened it to the singing of birds, iirc. Funny how perceptions can change, eh? Still true.  Can't take people serious who think the sweet melodic sounds of Sächsisch aren't awesome. Maybe you were speking to someone from the Erzgebirge!?
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Deutschpunk or gtfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvHyVaTmzo
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Mithaldu posted:No in meckpomm, which is like ... kentucky or something, only with a beach. Just to reply to this again, AFD really unironically is joint third biggest party in Germany from recent Sonntagsfrage polls (joint third with green but still, ~12%). Everyone laughing at the hicks in Meck-Pomm probably lives in a place with at least a cool 10% AFD themselves so maybe time to take that poo poo a little more serious? Just an idea vOv
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Mithaldu posted:I lived there for 25 years, i still consider it home, i have a lot of family there (even tho i don't respect all of them), i have a zweitwohnung there and i stay there quite often still. What I was saying is that the AFD is currently polling ahead of greens as third strongest. 11%-14% across the whole country, that means 20% is not really that much of an outlier (I think most of the eastern states would get about that). The thing is the underlying reasons for the success of the AFD won't go away unless one of CDU or SPD makes a major populist turn to grab voters away from them. Solely relying on the party falling apart due to incompetence is not a great long-term strategy.
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Einbauschrank posted:You wouldn't believe the things I've seen. I've seen dicks on fire in Ghent hotel rooms. I watched jizz glittering in curtains, Nazis dryhumped in Durchreichegate. All these moments will be lost in time, like semen in the shower. lmao Glad you got to only experience weirdo nazis and not the guys actually going out doing rounds of the town with a baseball bat up the sleeve of their bomber jacket!
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Randler posted:Wenn man den ganzen Salonbolschewisten im Englandfaden zuhört, stellt sich heraus, dass alles eigentlich ganz anders war und der Brexit lediglich der verzweifelte Befreiungsschlag der unterdrückten Proletarier gegen den globalen Kapitalismus war. Das ist ja auch nicht so falsch. Es gibt eine Menge Leute mit niedrigen Einkommen oder arbeitslos, die sich mit den etablierten Parteien (insbesondere Labour, zu deren Stammwählern sie eigentlich zählten) und der ominösen Überregierung EU kein bisschen identifizieren können und die nicht nachvollziehen können, warum es gerade ihnen schlechter geht als noch vor 20 Jahren während die vor sechs Jahren zugezogenen Polen drei Häuser weiter eine feste Arbeitstelle haben. Kommt irgendwie bekannt vor, oder? Ist logischerweise nicht der einzige Grund für Brexit, aber dass unzufriedene Menschen aus einkommensschwachem Milieu der Regierung und/oder EU einfach mal zwei Finger vors Gesicht halten, sollte gerade hier im thread angesichts der vergangenen AFD-Diskussion niemand wundern.
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Was wondering why there is one CDU guy in Marzahn of all places who got a 47% landslide victory but apparently that whole voting district is nothing but Einfamilienhäuser with families and old people lmao
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ArchangeI posted:Nope. It was just one bomb at one Mosque, the other hit a conference center. Apparently not even particularly big bombs, either, just "professionally made", which could mean anything. My personal super-hot take is that it was the Kurds, since the Mosque was run by a Turkish group with ties to the Turkish state, which means Erdogan these days. Do you think just two or all three Kurds in Dresden were involved? Seems like a really weird way to make a statement against Erdogan, especially considering they also bombed the place where the German reunification was supposed to be celebrated. Sounds 100% like rightwing nutters to me.
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Cingulate posted:These people are, as I said, not the problem. Young racists exist, but they are not the problem. The problem is rural old people. That is absolutely not true. For example a small group of rightwing bullies can change the atmosphere at a whole school into a place where making edgy jokes about foreigners/minorities/etc are not just accepted but actively encouraged because it makes you look like one of the 'cool' ones. That leads to an environment where nobody thinks twice about calling another kid a jew when they just would use idiot normally. Especially at a young age that poo poo forms people's behaviour. Nobody gives a poo poo what old people say, racist opinions are picked up from parents, friends, schoolmates or at the sports club, youth centre. That is where the people trying to burn down refugee shelters were socialised and radicalised. They didn't simply turn older and become racist suddenly. This is what I saw growing up in rural saxony.
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Red army and Polish administration didn't worry too much about kicking Germans out, though I think most fled by themselves. Edit: Which is to say her opinion might be common among those who got kicked out. I had a quick look at the results of the four Landtagswahlen this year and a big portion of young people seem to like voting for... Sonstige? It's about 15-20% of under 30s, seems weird that so many would vote for fringe parties but I guess that is what we are moving towards. Especially in the east it seems no single party can break 30% in that age bracket any more and votes get scattered much more into a multitude of smaller parties between 5 and 25 percent.
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