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Confusion
Apr 3, 2009

Anti-Hero posted:

On that note, how do you Germans communicate with your Dutch/Danish/etc. neighbors when visiting? Is German enough of a lingua franca that they speak it, or do you all just switch to English?

I'm Dutch. There are a lot of germsn tourists comming to the Netherlands and the majority of them communicate in german. Pretty much everybody in the Netherlands has a very basic understanding/knowledge of german. Although this is deminishing more and more in the younger generations and you see those switching to english more often.

Edit: It's actually an interesting shift. I was born and raised in a rather small town less than 5 miles from the german border. There used to be a lot of interaction between the German's and Dutch on either side of the border. They even had their own kind of German/Dutch mix dialect. There used to be lots of cross border mariages and stuff. But in recent years, even though the border has become more open and less of an issue than ever before, the communities are drifting further and further apart as they lose the ability to communicate with each other (unless using english as a medium).

Confusion fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Oct 1, 2011

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Confusion
Apr 3, 2009

StrangeRobot posted:

The way I see it ideally every school would be raised to Gymnasium standards, which of course would require immense investments into the education sector, so that not only children that are being tutored by their university educated parents get enough education to follow the challenging curriculum. But the ruling classes would never allow such useless nonsense like improving education across society, improving the lives of dirty commoners, hah, while even more billions of Euros can be burned in the neverending bonfire of bank bailouts and European empire-building. Also, don't you know, taxes on the rich are way too high already!

Believe it or not, but not every child has the same capabilities. Raising all schools to the Gymnasium level is simply impossible because not everybody can reach that level, no matter how much you invest in it. Futhermore, you'd be making a lot of kids very miserable, as trying to push somebody above his level is an incredibly frustrating experience for that person.

Confusion
Apr 3, 2009

dreamin' posted:

Why does it work in other countries, like Finland, that routinely end up far far ahead of the german schools in all comparative studies? Seems like its perfectly possible.
In Finland kids are split at age 15-16, thats hardly completely egalitarian education. But I suspect those comparative studies compare the average german education level with the finish, thats quite a bit different from saying it is better or equal to german gymnasium level.

Confusion fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Oct 1, 2011

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