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Aren't there even a couple of ranking folks in Die Linke that get hard for old time SED talk and values and some guys that denied Stasi-crimes and whatnot? Heard something to that effect a while back, couple of years back at this point, I guess.
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Previously on GBS posted:If there's anything to this, In an interview on N24 immediately following the election, Nerz (?) was confronted with the apparent abundance of wiener in his party, but his response was more along the lines of "Well, we do have numerous women in the party, they've just shown themselves to be more involved in the operational aspect behind the scenes and thus have not made their way into the public eye", which I thought to be a well-executed response, very much unlike the "lol, women are scared of crowds"-response of Baum. But if Nerz' response was only masking what that article up there sheds light on, then they've got some serious problems. I'm fully allowing for the possibility that the chick mentioned in the article was an incompetent bitch/drama queen that had it coming and not, in fact, the person that she's portrayed as, but the way they handled the whole thing...jesus christ.
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Orange Devil posted:I absolutely loathe the country. Don't take it personal though I doubt anyone will, but I also strongly doubt your view is unbiased. You may not have loathed the country before being there, but I'm guessing a couple of things went wrong for you or adjusting to unfamiliar things inconvenienced you in a way that subsequently amplified everything else you experienced adversely. I'm not going pseudo-psychoanalytic on you here, but while all of the things you mentioned could very well happen anywhere in germany, claiming that these are standard situations everywhere in germany is just plain ol' bullshit. (Except for the Telekom thing, because gently caress those guys.) Also: Orange Devil posted:I've lived in Frankfurt am Main for the better part of three years now. Dude...I've lived in Frankfurt for considerably less time and I almost started hating germany. Frankfurt is Germany's Baltimore...or the Netherlands'...well, whatever your Baltimore is. I have 2 other friends that had a similar experience in germany. In both cases, it started with little things that annoyed them and ended with them turning into cynical assholes that generalized and projected a lot. In one case, the hate was kina warranted though, because everything terribly/annoyingly german that I've experienced in 30 years happened to this guy over the course of barely a year.
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clownpenis posted:Kabel Deutschland throttles my internet connection. I ultimately switched to them because it took me OVER 2 MONTHS to get a connection with 1&1 set up and I rage cancelled my contract. When I had Telekom years back, it also took them around a month and a half to get my internet connection set up. The problem is that you see a lot of the seemingly competing internet providers, but since Telekom still physically owns all of the telephone lines, every provider ultimately has to go through them anyhow. So no matter which provider you choose, they still have to arrange an agreement with the Telekom to free up a phone line. I've been with KD from 05 to 07 then with Arcor between 07 and 09 and now KD again eversince and I have only experienced the throttling once during a period that lasted about a month. It was annoying as gently caress though, the only upside was that it was absolutely punctual. weekdays from 6pm to 6am and the entire day on saturday and sunday. But outside of that, I've been more than happy with KD the entire time, the one time I switched was because they couldn't supply anything over 2Mbit while Arcor offered 6Mbit. Sure enough, KD upgraded their service to offer 12 Mbit lines in the region i lived in roughly 4 months into my 2 year contract with Arcor. elwood posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention#Germany I thought they completely buried that one politically...which votes were they going for with that back then anyway? I remember a bit of a ruckus on the web, but nothing worth mentioning in the news.
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elwood posted:Details pls. Seconded,like did it result in you sueing them or that third party sueing you, etc.? Don't be such a tease. And I really want details on any proof of that sale or the means to ascertain those allegations.
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snorch posted:I couldn't find an English version so I'll summarize: I like the idea but I have trouble believing that anything worth mentioning will come of this. Consumer/data protection agencies and/or interest groups have convened and pointed fingers before, but always lacked political leverage. But I can't really say anything of the traction this particular conference of DSBs has on the political stage, so something good might come of this after all.
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hankor posted:Crossing the street while the light is red without endangering others? Fine. I usually give very few shits and fucks compared to the average german all-up-in-yo-bidnezz-attitude, but for some reason I am the J-walking Gestapo incarnate. Heck, I'll even go for some awkwardness with those somewhat undecided "aww, gently caress it, I'm crossing"-people by staring them the gently caress down. Those that then avert their eyes even get a little shake of the head from me for good measure. No point doing that with people that waltz across red lights because they simply don't give a gently caress to begin with, but those hesitant folks whose moral-conflict you can actually see happening before they cross deserve a little stinkeye if it makes them uncomfortable.
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hankor posted:I was being serious. Cellphone ghettoblasters, the scourge of modern society. Seriously though, those things are even more annoying when people decide they don't like the music in a bar and play their own terribly dissonant tunes.
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DeusEx posted:Also the European court of Human Rights ruled very recently that Germany can't just lock away dangerous criminals in jail forever (Sicherheitsverwahrung), but has to make sure that they have to be held outside of the penal system, after they have served their sentence. You can't believe the outcry of conservative politicians about this, because of course child rapists and such don't deserve human rights. As far as I understood all the hooplah around that ruling was that the legal grounds for "Sicherheitsverwahrung" eventually came to be in conflict with european "law" (as far as you can call it that). It's not like germany had been doing something legally inhumane for ages, it was more along the lines of "See, now that we all have agreed on the constraints of our beautiful community, that thing you've been doing is no longer okay." But the concept of Sicherheitsverwahrung is enough material for a seperate massive discussion and I don't really want to open that  quote:Additionally we have the fine institution of the "Verfassungsschutz", which is an interior intelligence agency, that not only has the legitimate purpose of counter espionage, but also to keep a watch on people that are suspicious to work against Freedom and Democracy (Freiheitlich Demokratische Grundordnung) in very general terms. Keep in mind those people doesn't have to do anything criminal to be wiretapped and watched over with intelligence methods, it's just sufficient that they are unhappy with the order of things and voice it. That's not true, the BfV needs probable cause just like any other executive institution or agency. What has been criticized for a while though, is the involvement/legality of covert informants in entities that are under active surveillance or investigation. And then of course there's the post-9/11 interpretation of probable cause when it comes to potential islamic extremists, which, I'm pretty sure at this point, is currently defined as something in the neighborhood of "Negro be wearin' a beard, poo poo's suspicious."
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Baronjutter posted:I used to think germany was pretty cool, but it's probably only berlin. Germany is really sounding like the US of europe. It's the biggest economy but it's full of right wing religious folk with awful blame-the-victim racism and a "that's just extreme left propaganda!" to any social or economic development since the 70's. That's just...no...just not at all. Where does any of the complicated, hairsplitting german gibberish sound even remotely like any of the clear-cut, black-and-white, pseudo-virtuous bullshit in the states? At least our idiocy is as complicated as our grammar. e: Since hankor brought it up, our "class warfare" is at least remotely connected to the actual definition as opposed to what is regularly conjured up for campaigning purposes in the US.
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DeusEx posted:Jesus guys, could you please stop with the quoting wars. The multiple quotes in your posts, each followed by one sentence rebuttals, make it really annoying to read. This thread jumps back and forth between or moves on to different/related issues at a breakneck pace, with roughly 4 issues on this page alone (heck, I'm surprised we dodged the nuclear power bullet earlier) and you want posts to be less specific as to their references? Let a brother multiquote, jesus christ.
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While I don't want to divert anyone's attention from the whole trojan-issue (because I'm actually interested in that discussion), I'm somewhat confused by the media reporting on this recently caught and confessed child-molester/murderer and inferring that with Sicherungsverwahrung invoked, there's a good chance he won't see the light of day again. Here I thought this Sicherungsverwahrung-mumbojumbo was canned after the conflict with european law came up.
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ArchangeI posted:This is important. V-männer are not goverment spies inserted into an organization, they were in the organization in the first place and call their handler once a month to tell them what is going on. I'm somewhat confused now, wasn't there a scandal several years ago when an investigation or abolition-process went south because the government had operatives in the organisation that had actively participated in legal transgressions. Were those not V-Männer then but actual undercover operatives?
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Hungry Gerbil posted:But the right wing extremists can always count on the support of their friends in the judicial branch. What.
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Not that I've been following the whole ordeal too closely, but I assumed one of the initial killings/attacks involved an actual owner of a döner stand or a döner restaurant getting blown up or at least some remote connection to the actual dish. Because if not...wow.
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dreamin' posted:If there was a number of bavarians being killed while on holiday in turkey and the turkish police would form a special investigation group called "donau" and Wait, what is the german investigation team called?
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Broken Dictionary posted:Lahmacun with döner meat inside all rolled up into a wrap is out of this world amazing. Wait, I thought that was a "Dürum"?
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To get back on track (seriouspost: had Dürüm for lunch, poo poo was scrumptious), today's newscycle reinforced me in my belief that I haven't been watching enough news lately. So this trio of terrorist-nazis is somehow connected to the killing of a cop? I'm still trying to read up on the details since I know jacksquat about the timeline of events at this point, but I'm surprised the killing of a cop didn't stir up more of a media shitstorm to begin with. edit: Okay, so that cop was killed in 2007, so I'm completely at a loss now. Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Nov 22, 2011 |
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Former defense minister dodges prosecution with charitable donation If you're gonna condemn both zu Guttenberg and the public prosecutor's office so broadly, you might want to elaborate a little. Do you find the verdict to be unjust, do you understand the prosecutor's office to be biased towards zu Guttenberg, why do you feel that, in our lord's year 2011, them drat nobles still be gettin' off easy, etc. On an unrelated matter, "Döner-Morde" has been nominated as "Unwort des Jahres", so there's that.
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I have absolutely no trouble believing the panel at the university of bayreuth rubberstamped his thesis, but it's not because he was "noble". He was the loving up-and-coming political golden boy back then and to even doubt someone like him could not come up with a genuine, unplagiarized thesis was probably considered blasphemous. That said, penal ramifications for first-offenders that were charged with plagiarism are routinely minute at most and seeing legal diversion applied is by no means out of the ordinary. Ironically, the people that are claiming that nobility in this case is being treated as "more equal than others" are also demanding that zu Guttenberg's case should be treated with more prejudice than other cases. The only thing that I find unjust in this case is that he blatantly misappropriated funds allocated to the ministry of defense in the preparation of his thesis and noone is even mentioning this anymore whilst focusing on trivial bullshit.
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flavor posted:There's an easy way to defuse that: Have the students or universities check dissertations through some online service or similar before they are officially submitted. That would send a clear message and nobody would need to be punished. They rubberstamped his dissertation, period. There's no point in discussion mechanisms to detect and/or deter plagiarism when these were circumvented in this case.
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Hungry Gerbil posted:He is the worst and most successful populist of them all. How dangerous he is depends on what his visions and plans are. Holy gently caress dude, we get it, he's literally Hitler. Move on or something. Or at least focus on his actual political policies or past political conduct, because the "Everything he does is pure molten evil because he cheated in his dissertation!"-schtick is kinda getting old. On a non-related matter, I'm pleasantly surprised this new attempt at the Vorratsdatenspeicherung by means of NAZI TERRORISM!! is getting shot down fairly early as opposed to the last populist approach to gently caress with the internet after whatshername wanted to implement the infamous STOP-signs to combat the vast network of the german child porn industry. Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Nov 27, 2011 |
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Hungry Gerbil posted:"Hrm, I'm against Stuttgart 21 so I better vote 'no'." I sincerely can no longer tell where you're coming from. Would you like to elaborate?
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ZeitGeits posted:but there should be proper laws governing when such votes can be held. Going with my gutfeeling, I feel similarly, but that's just a massive if there ever was one.What especially surprised me is the reaction of the anti-Stuttgart21 movement to the result of referendum. They pushed for it, they got it, they lost and their reaction is..."Jetzt erst recht"? I may not have my ear exactly flush with the ground in terms of news cycles, but what the gently caress?
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niethan posted:If I am fighting for the right thing I sure as hell am not going to give a poo poo about what some majority believes is right. I agree, but the gameplan before a referendum should be to push a cause long enough till you can be reasonable sure you have the majority vote. Once you call for the referendum, you're basically offering to leave it in the hands of the judges (:iiapspa:) and losing that vote furthermore hurts your cause because people you could try to pull on your side in the future could always revert to "wait, wasn't that that cause that the majority didn't stand with?".
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Sereri posted:Christian Wulff making a fool out of himself, Greece not wanting our precious money and S21 finally going through. How the hell is this thread dead? I'm completely numb concerning anything Wullf-related, I get my Greece-fix from the Bunga Bunga in Brussels thread and S21...well...we've kinda chewed through everything remotely discussable about that, the only thing that is new now is that the thing is actually starting to happen.
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dreamin' posted:I actually expected a lot more whinging than he actually delivered, maybe mama merkel told him to not get on his soapbox Yeah, I was expecting more of that as well, but it's not like he apologized for anything, so at least there's something we saw coming. The Real Foogla posted:Just drop the "de"? 
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I'm watching Wulff's little (heh!) farewell-shindig at the moment and there's a good chance I'll suffer from a facial seizure before long.  Having had a friend in the Wachbataillon a couple of years back, I feel so very bad for those guys.
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Just as a disclaimer, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience and I'm not going to say companies like Telekom can't be a bitch to deal with, but that last line of yours is what really annoys the gently caress right outta me, because as a senior enlisted or officer (which I'm guessing here), you should be mature enough to allow for the possibility that, while your particular experience was bad, it doesn't necessarily reflect the general experience one should anticipate here. I've lived in the states and had my share of lovely deals over there, but it never crossed my mind to tell anyone here anything as broad as "poo poo happened to me, poo poo will probably happen to you if you live off base in the US." (you know, one of the countless german bases we have there...well, I guess the comparison doesn't work as well, but you catch my drift) Now for the more constructive part of this post. Your experience shouldn't have been as bad as it was, for multiple reasons. I know of these reasons because I've been "coaching" my american friends and any soldiers/DoD-employees they sponsored in most matters concerning housing, social, legal and other everyday issues. 1. Internet Ascertaining what options for phone/tv/internet services are available in a place should be on the top 5 of your "questions for the landlord" list. Should the landlord not have any answer because he's old and/or an idiot (I've seen my share of those), then housing would usually be able to advise you on how to check availability via websites of the leading companies. And even if everyone in housing is a complete loving moron, there is not a single USAREUR base in this country where you can't swing a goddamn cat and hit SOMEONE that can point you in the right direction for your questions. Now our phone companies can indeed be a bitch to deal with, but once again, housing and legal are supposed to give you pointers on how to handle them. A chill, laissez-faire approach like it works in the US doesn't really work as well here (and, like in any other country, it can leave you vulnerable when you don't have all your paperwork in good order when it should come to the point of showing them why they, in fact, hosed up and not you) Shutting off service immediately for a missed payment is VERY unusual. What normally happens is you get a couple of letters of admonition for the late payments, after the second one usually connected to late fees. Depending on the company, they'll send a couple more of those, piling onto the original late fees, before handing the matter off to a debt collection agency. In any case, the problem you described with the Telekom isn't even close to some of the asshattery I've heard of (just their scheduling of technicians...I mean...holy poo poo, they are literally the devil), but as to the origin of your problem..."missing a payment" should be fairly unusual on your end as well, just saying. 2. Electric Utilities Partial payments are fairly common over here for ongoing services provided, the extent of which cannot remotely be monitored or is monitored in regular intervals. There's a reason companies do this and while a full understanding of the reason eludes me, it's one of those "that's how it is, deal with it" things. Bottom line, you're paying exactly what you owe, not more, not less. If a previous tenant had 30 water cookers running 24/7 and you end up with a disproportionately high monthly rate, you call/write the service provider and request a reassessment based on the changed tenancy agreement that is closer to what a 3-strong family would use. This is, again, something a guy at housing or anyone else with some basic living experience as a serviceman in germany could have told you and something you could have asked them about if it annoyed you so much. I've done this exact thing for myself and for 2 american buddies that were single soldiers in 97sqm apartments previously occupied by regular-sized families. The companies usually don't give too much of a poo poo either way. In one case, they just had a reading done after a month to verify if the new rate was accurate and in the other case, they just had the guy send in the reading himself via some form on their website. And they don't care because if the rate is too low, you STILL end up paying them what you owe. 3. Gas Almost the same deal as with electricity. The intervals at which you're being charged may seem weird or, in your case with the refill, irregular, but you pay exactly what you owe. The main difference is the delivery. If your deal with the company is payment in installments, then yes, they assess your consumption, fill you up (or, specifically, up to 85% of what your tank can hold) and you pay your monthly installments. Should you notice that your consumption is higher than what they projected and you could be running low at some point, you notify them in a timely fashion and the next time they have one of their trucks in the area, it swings by, tops you off and you either pay for the amount refuelled or it's added to your total amount payable and your monthly installments are adjusted/you end up paying at the end of the year. In any case, you only end up paying for the gas you use. Payments for the actual ProGas hardware (tank, boiler, etc) are the responsibility of the building owner/landlord and he in turn can relay a certain amount of the costs to you, but this would be covered in your monthly rent. If folks end up running low (or, heck, OUT) of liquid gas and request a delivery where ProGas (or the contractors they usually have for delivery) needs to send a truck outside their schedule, then they incur the cost of the extraordinary delivery. But having dealt with gas and, more often, oil heating, I've made the experience that running low or out of gas surprisingly is literally impossible unless someone is grossly negligent...in which case they don't really have grounds to complain anyway. I'm not sure this is what happened in your case, I just felt like adding it for the sake of completeness. So, in conclusion, sorry for your other-than-enjoyable experience, but a fair deal of the reasons for it seem to be based on the fault of people failing to inform you and, subsequently with regard to issues you were concerned about, on your own fault for not informing yourself.
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ArchangeI posted:Yes, we are all so close to be overcome by our genetic naziness. Once someone calls himself Führer, we Germans simply can't not vote for him! that is what makes the NPD so dangerous! Every second Apfel could make a televised speech calling himself the f-word, and before you know it, we will have invaded France. Again. Hey, you shouldn't be sarcastic about such a serious matter. I hear the US are rapidly moving towards fascism and pretty much every other initiative is somehow tied to the brownshirts. poo poo is no laughing matter, yo. On a non-related matter, even without paying too much attention to the TV, I was bombarded with every little shard of Wulffiness, yet the election and inauguration of Gauck almost passes me by? Are they trying to keep the guy low-key this time around or what's the deal there? Outside of what I've heard about Gauck in the media, I don't know too much about him, but I kinda like the man.
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Orange Devil posted:NSDAP had 2.6% of the vote in 1928. Things can change very very rapidly. All that was needed back then was a global economic meltdown. How's the Eurozone doing again? Stop translating Tea Party talking points verbatim, tia.
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niethan posted:I guess as long as they aren't a "clear end present danger" to german democracy it's no big deal that they kill turks. Point to the post where someone said that. This used to be about how stupid saying "Economy tanking => Nazis everywhere soon" is. niethan posted:Please elaborate on this comment. The same exact polemic was (and I'm guessing still is) used by the Tea Party to validate (through some literally retarded logic) their claim that Obama is purposely scuttling the economy because that would be the best way for him to solidify his takeover. You know, because he is Hitler reborn. Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Mar 27, 2012 |
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Oh god, the amount of drama coming from that piece by old man Grass has now gone from "setting my Facebook feed aflame" to "promoting heated arguments that keep me and my best friend from having a chill discussion in our local brewery of choice". And one of the drunkards complaining hadn't even read the piece and based all of his vitriolic outrage on a radio report he "overheard". 
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While the recent developments are pretty  , I'm more interested in this openly proposed mutiny against Rössler and what his reaction will be. I'm curious whether he'll grow some balls and attempt to put the mutineers in their place as opposed to growing balls just large enough to mildly backstab Merkel for his personal gain.
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hankor posted:It was pretty amazing to see someone that is even more of a prick than BvSB. Figured I might check out that video, but I'm barely 5 minutes in and it's barely bareable. (bear) You wouldn't believe how chill of a guy Stuckrad-Barre is in person though. I had never heard of him when I met him and in retrospect, I'm surprised he's able to pull of the persona he maintains. /edit: Jesus everloving gently caress, he's not even really smoking.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Are you serious? Yes, they don't get sent to camps, but they are definitely treated worse than the rigth. If someone is treated like a part of the government it's the neo-nazis. Tons of them are paid by the government. I thought that couldn't have spiralled downward faster after you started it out with "Yes, they don't get sent to camps, BUT", but somehow you made it happen.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:So you believe the V-Männer are a useful tool in the fight against fascism and extremism? I agree, arguably ill-advised approaches of the intelligence-gathering and law enforcement institutions and the press coining a hopelessly stupid and insensitive term is clear evidence in support of Nazis being treated as a part of government. Furthermore, it also validates whatever abortion of a comment this still is Lucy Heartfilia posted:Yes, they don't get sent to camps, but they are definitely treated worse than the rigth.
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