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Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Randler posted:

Whelp, looks like the LG Köln might have screwed up big time. According to "Die Welt", they might have mistaken the streaming users for ordinary filesharers. Still don't understand why apparently nobody has released one of the § 101 IX UrhG decisions yet.

It's like no one really knows how interwebz's working. Germany's copyright laws regarding the "new media" is screwing up so many decisions, ideas and services in the whole system. I wonder if there is any change possible, especially regarding the new elected parliament.

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Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Randler posted:

Huge changes to the current copyright laws are very unlikely. Various international treaties and European directives require certain standards to be met. As Germany is required to comply with those, changes on a fundamental level are unlikely. The new coalition has, however, plans to limit the arguably frivolous practise of mass sending cease-and-desist letters to private citizens in response to filesharing. (I also disagree that current German copyright law is inhibiting too many innovations, as it is still very similar to the copyright law of other developed nations due to said international treaties and European harmonization in the field.)

It's relatively similar to other developed nations, yes, but as a german you really feel the disadvantages this system contains. In school some things are just not allowed to be shown (as they are in other countries aswell afaik) but sometimes it's just too far. Imho especially in educational systems things like music, findings and worksheets should be free to show for educational purposes.
Additionally things every german internet geek knows is the GEMA who forces google/youtube to block thousands of videos containing music that MAY be under GEMA's license, just to avoid incoming law suits.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think in many other european countries there are other concepts to ensure the artists rights and keep art and research findings free for public. Problems of filesharing left out.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Randler posted:

German copyright law already limits exploitation rights of the copyright holder in order to facilitate the use of protected works in educational contexts, though. While those limits do not mean the use of protected works is free as in "free beer", it is free in the sense that the right holders are unable to prevent the use of their works. While those usually require reimbursements, those are significantly lower than what they would have to pay for to get a "proper" license to use a protected work. The reimbursement system for educational purposes works through the collecting societies, like the GEMA, similary to how the reimbursement for private copies works by a percentage of storage medium prices going to the societies. Making such uses "free" by removing reimbursements would probably violate constitutional rights in addition to already mentioned international and supranational laws. One noteworthy exception in educational settings is the use of texts explicitly designed for use in educational settings. One has, however, to consider that places of education are the entire market for those products. Would you allow schools to just copy textbooks, there would not be a market for text books at all.

You're right. Even though some cases are just ridiculous, like that one that led to a lawsuit against a kindergarden just because some children sang christmas songs which stood under GEMA license. Similar cases happened in some schools aswell and that's kind of ridiculous.

Randler posted:

Regarding YouTube, the GEMA gets an undeserved bad reputation. It's a collecting society, which could be simplified as being similar to a union for creators of protected works. The GEMA has bargaining rights, because the original creators want the GEMA to have those. Nothing stops the creators from trying to enforce their copyrights on their own. As a matter of fact, some music labels tried to make their own organization for licensing certain music producuts. They were very insistent on their new baby not being a collecting society. Because collecting societies are legally limited in negotiating. They basically have to offer everybody in the same position the same price and are not allowed to deny licenses. As a matter of fact, GEMA has no problems getting agreements with other services, including Google's own Google Music. GEMA required removal of a few videos as a warning sign, to which Google reacted by blocking a lot of content off to German customers while falsely implying they were required by the GEMA to do so.

Google is overreacting, yes, but 12 cents per view on a public video is pretty high so I understand Google's point of view as well as GEMA's intention to help artists to get their stuff sorted. You shouldn't forget that there are several reports of self-enrichment inside of the GEMA, incidents of failed transaction of huge amounts of money to the rightholders without any reimbursements etc.

Failure on both sides and the regular german internet user has to deal with the consequences.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Randler posted:

I've heard that complaint many times yet was unable to find any traces of the GEMA going to court over children singing Christmas songs in schools or kindergartens. So I'd be grateful if you can provide something to back up this claim, because I kinda assume that it's one of those copyright myths that gets paraded around the internet like "You have to defend copyrights, otherwise you lose them!". The only realistic scenario were I'd expect the GEMA to sue over singing children woulud be if they were giving a public performance at their school which was open to the general public.

Sadly not a myth.

They didn't sue them directly, but gave many kindergartens in germany a warning to pay for every song sung in public and for every copied sheet of music.
( German source from "Stern" quoting the "Hamburger Abendblatt")
The prices for the license contracts goes up to 168 Euro + taxes for 1500 copies, according to the dts (Source)

Even though it's limited to songs sung in public (with means mainly parents of the children since it's a kindergarten) we're talking about simple songs sung by children up to 6 years old. Kindergartens in germany are funded by free institutions (mainly local parishs) or the municipality and as such it's money that could be saved.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Randler posted:

First things first though, while the GEMA send those letters, the content of the letters stems from the VG Musikedition. The GEMA merely offered administrative assistance. So blaming the GEMA for the content of the letters is akin to yelling at the mailman for bringing bills. Furthermore, the claim that the GEMA/VG Musikedition asked for every song sung in public in that letter is not true as can be seen from the actual content of the letter in question. (The GEMA itself links aforementioned transcribtion of the letter.) The letter in question also does not constitute an "Abmahung" (cease and desist letter). It merely informs the recipients of the two ways to get legal note sheets: Buy the necessary amount of note books or pay a fee to get a copying license. The latter one likely being cheaper.

Alright, you got me. Didn't read the primary sources of the articles and trusted in mass media and collective hysteria. Thanks for clearing this up.


Duzzy Funlop posted:

Thankfully, nothing. I have the good fortune of both having worked for a lawyer-friend of mine for about 6 years and having a sister that married into a family of lawyers, so just in my immediate surrounding, there are 3 guys I can go to that'll be okay with doing small things pro bono if it's in the family.

Lucky you. Sounds like that poo poo screwed many people.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Torrannor posted:

What is wrong with Ursula being Minister of Defense? I'm asking as a unashamed lefty who hates the CDU, but is she any less qualified than de Maizière?

There is basically nothing wrong, but no one is expecting anything great from her, I guess. It's just like that no one in that position really made something useful in the past couple of years and as such no one likes them beforehand.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Never saw a problem in some ~unpractical~ careers from some politicians. To be honest Gysi is a pretty funny guy from the Left and he's actually kicking some lazy butts in the parliament. I don't really care about what he did since it wasn't that evil.

However Wagenknecht is sometimes a bit more complicated.

Lucy Heartfilia posted:

Indeed. Capitalism isn't part of the Grundgesetz after all. There is no constitutional reason for Germany to have a capitalist economic system.

In my opinion Germany already is some kind of 80%-socialistic-republic with a relatively healthy mix from socialism, capitalism and communism regarding basic social features German law provides, such as mandatory insurance, social insurance, educational system, bank rescues, Hartz IV etc. And as far as I can see no one really has a problem with that, especially the Grundgesetz/Bundesverfassungsgericht.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

botany posted:

The gap between rich and poor is wider than it's ever been, Hart IV is an incredibly regressive piece of legislature that has done more than its fair share to exascerbate income inequality, and we're seeing a strong trend towards underemployment rather than unemployment, which is actually a bad thing. Fun fact: last year the income inequality between men and women actually fell a percentage point -- because poor men are earning even less, slowly regressing towards the level of income that women are at already. Some loving socialist utopia this country is.

I've never stated there wouldn't be a gap between the rich and poor, especially in highly industrialized countries like Germany. Additionally I said "some kind of 80%-socialism", not socialistic utopia.

Also I wouldn't mark a big gap between rich and poor people as a socialistic/communistic feature either. It's not like there wasn't and isn't a gap in socialistic systems as well. To the contrary, there were stark differences between some classes of population in the UDSSR and China as well - North Korea is another example.

I said some ideas and concepts in Germany are based on classic socialistic mindset and as such, it is "social" or "socialistic" if you want to put a difference in it.

Edit:

Randler posted:

I guess it depends on where your treshold for socialism is. For the average American, Germany and European Union would probably be socialism. For my understanding, an economic system is only socialistic once it no longer fits under the broadest definition of capitalism, which describes on principle private ownership of the means of production and distribution of economic goods by the market.
This.

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Dec 17, 2013

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

BabyFur Denny posted:

We had a government run entirely by the Linke for forty years, and it wasn't too popular with the people.

Maybe that's a little bit too easy. :downswords:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Baronjutter posted:

German gays, you have enough rights! Why do you want more? You want as much as a normal?? Uhg

Right, how could anyone even think of being treat as a normal human being, if you are not able to hate and switch your wife periodically.

CDU knows how to ignore human rights and principle of equality AND getting elected by the majority of the germans as well. Maybe the FDP should think of copy that idea. Oh, wait, copyright.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Randler posted:

Oh, CSU. You really are old-fashioned bringing us new doctorate-related shenanigans like it's 2012.

Why the hell would you think it was a good idea to make somebody secretary general that has a doctorate (and only a small one at that) from an university in Prague? And because "Leistung muss sich wieder lohnen" he tops it off by allegedly having plagiarized for his diploma-mill doctorate. I can't figure out how somebody is cunning enough to get a high position in the CSU while not being prone to the fact that academic credentials from Eastern Europe and Switzerland are regularly found to be invalid in Germany. :allears:

(German language sperging: Es gibt keine Doktortitel. Das sind akademische Grade. :colbert:)

Oh lol. Good thing CSU isn't allowed to rule over a "Kulturhoheit" on their very own and High King Seehofer isn't god already. Things like that make me believe the CSU is a party made of alcoholic bavarians who lost their home due to foreigner-tolls and non-bavarian "Überfremdung".

All hail the king.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Nektu posted:

What the gently caress

Well done Merkel, well done indeed!

Well "Europa geht es gut und das ist ein Grund zur Freude!"
Merkel knows how to be Hitler without being Hitler.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Duzzy Funlop posted:

I'd like to interrupt the scheduled Hitler-comparisons for a second and sincerely ask if some of you guys actually read that article.

I'm pretty sure everyone read it, but I'm not sure why that would change anything. It's not like greece wants to be bad in finance but it's forced to do so, especially by queen Merkel and ~of course~ others. Regarding the fact that it's causing such damage, holocaust- and Hitler comparison are of course kinda bad but actually appropriate.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

This years' carnival in Dusseldorf yield (as always) some pretty funny and well-made wagons, especially some political ones.











Full gallery can be found here.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

Still not seeing the problem here.

But freedom! You can't be free when you have to pay for things!


Nektu posted:

Careful, the NSA can see you ;)

Pssht. There is no NSA. Chancellor Merkel doesn't want to know about it and so do we.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

My Lovely Horse posted:



Just about poo poo myself with joy this morning when I spotted this.

This is one of the most awesome things ever happened during an european election. I nearly pissed myself when I read what their goals for this session would be.

Handelsblatt posted:

„Ich werde mich vier Wochen lang intensiv auf meinen Rücktritt vorbereiten“, sagt er. Der Grund: Die Partei will jeden Monat ein neues Mitglied der Partei nach Brüssel schicken.
„Wir werden versuchen, monatlich zurückzutreten, um 60 Parteimitglieder durchzuschleusen durch das EU-Parlament. Das heißt, dass jedes dieser Mitglieder einmal für 33.000 Euro im Monat sich Brüssel anschauen kann und dann zurücktritt und noch sechs Monate lang Übergangsgelder bezieht. Wir melken also die EU wie ein kleiner südeuropäischer Staat.“

Of course this won't really work as the parliament has to vote in order to allow someone to resign and that allowance thing is only available after being active for one year, but it's one of the most funniest idea someone ever had.

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 11:21 on May 28, 2014

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Randler posted:

Weil wir so angeregt über gerechte Sprache diskutiert haben, möchte ich euch natürlich darauf hinweisen, dass die zweite Auflage des Leitfadens zur antidiskriminierenden Sprache jetzt draussen ist.

I lost it when the author started to argue with the word "StaatsbürgerInnenschaft" and that "alle" can be a really mean word.


gently caress it, that's the new highlight:

quote:

Ist eine → Schwarze Frau durch Sexismus diskriminiert? Oder durch Rassismus? Oder ist nicht Sexismus/Genderismus immer auch rassifiziert, (dis)ableisiert, klassifiziert, migratisiert und andersherum auch Rassismus immer gegendert, (dis)ableisiert, klassifiziert und migratisiert?

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 23:23 on May 2, 2015

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Riso posted:

RIP de Maiziere.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Attacking our football players now? It's getting personal.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Simply Simon posted:

I have never tasted much of a difference, and for sure I don't know what is supposed to be bad about H-Milch per se :shrug:. I do know that I hate low fat milk, that might as well be colored water.

Are you a real human?

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Die Würde der fettarmen Frischmilch ist unantastbar.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Time for us to bring back the Zentrum in full fashion and really have a choice. :smugdon:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Kam es in dieser Legislaturperiode überhaupt je zu einer Abstimmung dazu? Soweit ich mich erinnere, gab es doch gefühlt hunderte Vertagungen, plus diese Grünen-Klage vor dem BVerG letztens eben genau deswegen.

Heiko Maas scheint in der Sache sogar noch instabiler als die SPD-Umfragewerte nach dem Schulz-Hype.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

GaussianCopula posted:

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/zeitung/martenstein-ueber-berliner-strassennamen-warum-nicht-einfach-eine-allee-der-diskriminierten/19891132.html


This is where renaming streets leads you - A street in Berlin is going to be named after an African slave trader queen because the jury used comics as scientific studies.



Früher war alles besser.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Do we have any evidence Merkel isn't a goon and posts here, too? Her withdrawal from the gay marriage thing and our discussion here about that happening shortly before are scary coincidences.

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

GaussianCopula posted:

You mean discussing a topic that was brought up by the three potential coalition partners for Merkel?

What's more likely, her posting on an internet forum or her listening to her coalition partners? :colbert:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Lunar Suite posted:

Na endlich. Besser spät als nie, wobei es arg peinlich ist das sogar die Amis uns überholt haben.

Immerhin war es unser Parlament und nicht das Verfassungsgericht, dass das mal eben durchgedrückt hat. Moralischer Sieg!

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Lunar Suite posted:



RIP deutsche Familien, welche, ähnlich dem Planeten Alderaan, alle in einem einzigen Augenblick von einer komplett aufgeladenen Wahlurne verdampft wurden.
Wir sind nun alle Vaterlos, Mutterlos, und sobald Claudia Roth den Generator erneut in Betrieb nimmt, wird der nächstes Rot-Grüne Laserstrahl uns allen die Genitalien ausradieren.

e: Horden von marodierenden Homosexuellen streifen in exzellent designten Uniformen durch die Städte und heiraten, wen sie wollen. Ihre P175-Pistolen feuern 20 Hochzeiten pro Sekunde. Die entfesselnte, sündige Energie der Orgien überwältigt die Richter in Karlsruhe, durchdringt ihre Roben und radiert das Wort "Familie" aus den Grundgesetz.

Mein Geschlecht schimpft mich Verräter, ich bin der Alptraum aller Väter. :gay:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Die Linke macht durchaus passable Opposition, brauchbare Anfragen, die die Regierung nervt, unterhaltsame aktuelle Stunden, abgelehnt werden bei Fragen innerhalb einer Unions- oder SPD-Rede und unnötige aber schön zu lesende Doppel- und Dreifach Gesetzesentwürfe die zum Teil identisch mit der Unionsversion sind
Da können selbst westdeutsche nicht-unterprivilegierte Nicht-Arbeiter mal eine Zweitstimme rein setzen und den Bundestag auf einem unterhaltsamen Niveau halten. :ussr:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Immerhin bereitet sich Hamburg nachhaltig und intensiv auf die Ankunft der anderen großen Jungs vor.
https://twitter.com/jaeschko/status/882548290092511233

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Decius posted:

Basically all offer it as an option for a few Euros (cheap Twingo) to a lot of Euros (Touran tractor) a month. Sill, don't destroy the cars until the owners are proven means of production owners.

Das wäre doch eine wunderbare Möglichkeit, um die Konjunktur anzutreiben. Autobauer verdienen, Versicherungen verdienen und ganz nebenbei sorgt die Polizei mit ihren Wasserwerfern noch dafür, dass die älteren nicht-wasserdichten Smartphones gegen neue und moderne Modelle ausgetauscht werden.
Jeder gewinnt! :ussr:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

frankenfreak posted:

Welcher Wolfgang? Schäuble oder Wendland?

:shepicide:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Die ersten TV-Spots sind endlich verfügbar. Sammeln wir sie doch einmal hier, damit sich ein jeder ein wohl überlegtes Bild für den 24. September machen kann. :devil:

Edit: Jetzt im autistisch-offiziellem Format mit vollständigen Namen, wie sie im Bundeswahlleiter eingetragen sind.
Bisher gibt es 31 Spots von den insgesamt 34 per Landeslisten zugelassenen Parteien. Es fehlen noch Werbespots von: Volksabstimmung, PDV, Tierschutzallianz

Die Großen:

Christlich Demokratische Union Deutschlands (CDU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPT-7P0EtW0

Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (SPD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXN-qwQipJs

Freie Demokratische Partei (FDP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXyVdCKjldI

DIE LINKE (DIE LINKE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hl8TDU5R2c

Alternative für Deutschland (AfD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5OUKddkpkA

BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN (GRÜNE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5h1uALnOiA

Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern e.V. (CSU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GCbu3_caKc

Die Kleinen:

Partei für Arbeits, Rechtsstaat, Tierschutz, Elitenförderung und basisdemokratische Initiative (Die PARTEI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWOLCsR-udQ

Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (NPD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Zc_6ewbvc

Ökologisch-Demokratische Partei (ÖDP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPmghYBwfU

Sozialistische Gleichheitspartei, Vierte Internationale (SGP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F-zyakvWwI

Bayernpartei (BP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGJ-oVC3-fo

V-Partei³ - Partei für Veränderung, Vegetarier und Veganer (V-Partei³)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfpJHCZJvkc

Deutsche Kommunistische Partei (DKP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2tYutKoNz8

Partei für Gesundheitsforschung (Gesundheitsforschung)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Unin8UIIM

bergpartei, die überpartei (B*)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKjrhQbAb0Q

Die Urbane - Eine HipHop Partei (du)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP9q_6gAsh0

DIE RECHTE (DIE RECHTE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ2CflrpObI

Bürgerrechtsbewegung Solidarität (BüSo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV-nbgb0eO8

Menschliche Welt (MENSCHLICHE WELT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBkUICcgJo

Partei der Humanisten (Die Humanisten)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULQszePPJF8

Die Grauen - Für alle Generationen (Die Grauen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEupzAVIj-k

DEMOKRATIE IN BEWEGUNG (DiB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL-zQKzjmrk

FREIE WÄHLER (FREIE WÄHLER)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfUATQzouY

Bündnis Grundeinkommen (BGE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBemYcmxGjc

Piratenpartei Deutschland (PIRATEN)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOO_adSBS6o

Allianz Deutscher Demokraten (kein Kürzel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIHbl0rGA3o

PARTEI MENSCH UMWELT TIERSCHUTZ (Tierschutz)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOeHEkPamM

Marxistisch-Leninistische Partei Deutschlands (MLPD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHgGlzaQZMw

Deutsche Mitte (DM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AP9srhKijY

Magdeburger Gartenpartei [MG]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm-WgYM2qrA

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Sep 23, 2017

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Perestroika posted:

Anyhow, is it just me or does the NPD one appear to be even more nazi than in recent years? They seemed this close to just Sieg Heiling away.



:shepspends:

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Aug 31, 2017

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

While we are at it, new spots!

Die Rechte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ2CflrpObI

BüSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV-nbgb0eO8

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Sereri posted:

In den Heise Foren wird nur bargeldlos bezahlt, mit Bitcoins

Ich wollte eine Parteispende mit Bitcoin tätigen, aber nur die Piraten haben auf meine Anfrage geantwortet. :sludgepal:

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Einen Tag später als die meisten

AfD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5OUKddkpkA

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Und schon geht es weiter.

MENSCHLICHE WELT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBkUICcgJo

Partei der Humanisten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XMZb4iKP1w

Die Grauen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEupzAVIj-k

Demokratie in Bewegung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL-zQKzjmrk

Freie Wähler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfUATQzouY

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 1, 2017

Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Parteispot 25/34

Bündnis Grundeinkommen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBemYcmxGjc

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 5, 2017

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Goons Are Gifts
Jan 1, 1970

Partei-Werbespot Nr. 26 & 27 von 34. Den großen Post von vor sechs Seiten habe ich mit allen aktuellen Spots aktualisiert, auf dass die Seite effizient und langsam lädt.

Piratenpartei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOO_adSBS6o

Allianz Deutscher Demokraten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIHbl0rGA3o

Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 5, 2017

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