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steinrokkan posted:I don't think the timeline is the issue todd I still haven't finished but I'm much more okay with "the NCR collapses after the events of New Vegas" than "New Vegas didn't happen"
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finally we can reignite the arguments about whether or not the Legion was right since we know conclusively that the NCR fails, this was Todd's real gift all along
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No now we debate whether the "fall of Shady Sands" is the fall of the NCR at large or just the town, or if the NCR moves its capital around and names every capital Shady Sands since the TV show puts it in the Boneyard so maybe it's Adytum or something that got renamed down the road.
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Doomykins posted:finally we can reignite the arguments about whether or not the Legion was right since we know conclusively that the NCR fails, this was Todd's real gift all along No. They were dumb, OP poo poo, I'm doing it right now, aren't I 
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Doomykins posted:finally we can reignite the arguments about whether or not the Legion was right since we know conclusively that the NCR fails, this was Todd's real gift all along Ceaser Legion are a bunch of Proud Boys they suck.
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Doomykins posted:finally we can reignite the arguments about whether or not the Legion was right since we know conclusively that the NCR fails, this was Todd's real gift all along The dialectic... The dialectic never changes
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Doomykins posted:finally we can reignite the arguments about whether or not the Legion was right since we know conclusively that the NCR fails, this was Todd's real gift all along It took one (1) divorced dad to bring down the NCR, Eddie Sallow's horde of Rome cosplayers BTFO. Edit: Ross Geller handled his wife being a lesbian better than ex-overseer LashLightning fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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So the survivors were too embarrassed to date the nuke, the library book from the credits coincidentally was last taken out in 2276, and the city had "fallen" so hard that it was still somehow a beacon of freedom for the wife and like Gears of War 2 was simply too good to be allowed to exist? Yeah that all sounds on brand for Bethesda
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Byzantine posted:i can't believe a fallout us soldier committed war crimes during the invasions of canada and china the revised canon will be the laughing soldier was actually Randall Clark
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Broken Box posted:the revised canon will be the laughing soldier was actually Randall Clark He was so disgusted fighting in Canada that all he could do was laugh.
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>Hate Canada >Support Canada >What is Canada >Sarcastic (Canada)
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Perfect Potato posted:So the survivors were too embarrassed to date the nuke, the library book from the credits coincidentally was last taken out in 2276, and the city had "fallen" so hard that it was still somehow a beacon of freedom for the wife and like Gears of War 2 was simply too good to be allowed to exist? Yeah that all sounds on brand for Bethesda I guess they were chip outta luck
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Dialogue skipping "ughh, maple syrup"
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Arc Hammer posted:No now we debate whether the "fall of Shady Sands" is the fall of the NCR at large or just the town, or if the NCR moves its capital around and names every capital Shady Sands since the TV show puts it in the Boneyard so maybe it's Adytum or something that got renamed down the road. Shady Sands got teleported along with that entire cliff face at Vault 15 in Fallout 2.
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Arc Hammer posted:No now we debate whether the "fall of Shady Sands" is the fall of the NCR at large or just the town, or if the NCR moves its capital around and names every capital Shady Sands since the TV show puts it in the Boneyard so maybe it's Adytum or something that got renamed down the road. Adytum got renamed Shady Sands while Shady Sands got renamed NCR like in Fallout 2. Also the Shady Sands mentioned in Fallout: New Vegas is totally different and is the *state entity*.
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Well the state is called Shady, not Shady Sands. Know the difference.
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What if in Season 2 turns out Caesar died of his brain tumor and he was replaced by someone calling themselves Augustus who might or might not be the Courier?
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It's very clear Todd and the writers did not think any of this through and it's very frustrating.
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Todd can say whatever he wants just like Ropekid can say "yes man unshackling himself without telling you he was going to wasn't meant to be sinister" all he wants.
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Shady Sands is the capital of the NCR. At some point, the capital was moved, probably to a location that could sustain a larger population than the original Shady Sands. But, to maintain a sense of continuity, they named the new capital Shady Sands (Old Shady Sands was still around as a minor city with a historical plaque). It got nuked. With its central government destroyed the already overstretched and corrupt nation collapsed and broke down into regional governors / cattle baron fiefdoms. The fiefdoms further deteriorated because they began warring with their neighbors over limited resources, some becoming, essentially, raiders and others becoming city-state safe-havens. War never changes, back to the post-apocalyptic wasteland we know and love, etc. The dream of the NCR, of uniting these territories and bringing peace to the land once again is still alive in many people. I haven't actually watched the show yet, but that's fine for me. Maybe I thought about it more than the showrunners though.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:Shady Sands is the capital of the NCR. At some point, the capital was moved, probably to a location that could sustain a larger population than the original Shady Sands. But, to maintain a sense of continuity, they named the new capital Shady Sands (Old Shady Sands was still around as a minor city with a historical plaque). It got nuked. With its central government destroyed the already overstretched and corrupt nation collapsed and broke down into regional governors / cattle baron fiefdoms. The fiefdoms further deteriorated because they began warring with their neighbors over limited resources, some becoming, essentially, raiders and others becoming city-state safe-havens. War never changes, back to the post-apocalyptic wasteland we know and love, etc. The dream of the NCR, of uniting these territories and bringing peace to the land once again is still alive in many people. That's pretty much it. You even see a guy dressed like a cattle baron calling himself President.
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Kind of interested in what the Legion is up to in the show continuity. It's been 15+ years since the NCR collapsed, have they been spreading west? I saw some guy on reddit suggest that since the Brotherhood decoration has a lot of red and gold and they all have names like Maximus, that maybe the Legion was absorbed by the Brotherhood, or vice versa
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The fact that people keep going "[exact textual reading of Bethesda-Fallout, like literally things characters say directly to the screen while staring into your eyes], but I'm thinking about it way more than Bethesda does" would be extremely hilarious if it wasn't so constant that I feel like I'm going insane.
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2house2fly posted:Kind of interested in what the Legion is up to in the show continuity. It's been 15+ years since the NCR collapsed, have they been spreading west? I saw some guy on reddit suggest that since the Brotherhood decoration has a lot of red and gold and they all have names like Maximus, that maybe the Legion was absorbed by the Brotherhood, or vice versa That would certainly be dialectical I suppose
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Todd. Todd never changes.
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"If war doesn't change, men must change, and so must their symbols. Even if it is nothing at all, know what you follow." It's nice that under all his rambling and misguided accusations Ulysses can still make a good point. It reminds me of Kreia insisting that you actually think about your choices rather than blindly following an arbitrary morality system. If war never changes is the accepted axiom, then change the game. Put down Fallout and go play something else with a different symbol (franchise logo). Because whatever comes after Hoover Dam will either be a world that isn't Fallout anymore, or the adage will stay true and we're hosed anyways. Maybe lay off the symbolism, though, bud. Not everything needs to be couched in metaphors. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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I figured since the best fallout game made since Bethesda got the rights wasn't made by Bethesda that they would just wave it away as not canon for the show, so I guess it getting jammed into the timely line is okay. I liked the show.
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Arc Hammer posted:https://twitter.com/TKsMantis/status/1780633238651978095?t=G3Li8Mqi2yLVa7brkzloSA&s=19
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Doomykins posted:finally we can reignite the arguments about whether or not the Legion was right since we know conclusively that the NCR fails, this was Todd's real gift all along Even with The Kings, it took me 'til way too late in the game to connect Caesar's Legion to Caesar's Palace.
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Arbite posted:Even with The Kings, it took me 'til way too late in the game to connect Caesar's Legion to Caesar's Palace. Caesar's Legion predates any plans involving Vegas, they were going to be a bit part in original Fallout 3 then the main story of Fallout 4. Though I was expecting Caesar's Legion to be based at Caesar's Palace before the game came out.
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KoRMaK posted:this was stated almost plainly, with the slightest bit of inference and deduction needed by the audience. i didn't even think it was a controversy lmao TBH I still don't get the timeline. When did Rose leave? Was she living in "fallen" Shady Sands, because it seemed pretty nice in the flashbacks?
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oh no, i see what's going on. you care about continuity between the show and the games. perhaps it may be more satisfying to recognize that due to the change of medium, some "soft retconning" is going to need to be employed. it's a different universe than the game, heavily inspired by the game
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KoRMaK posted:oh no, i see what's going on. you care about continuity between the show and the games. perhaps it may be more satisfying to recognize that due to the change of medium, some "soft retconning" is going to need to be employed. 
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It's the opposite, I can't figure out how the show is continuitous with itself after they tossed one out to the deranged fanboys
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The expodump in the finale mentions that the protagonist's mother discovered Shady Sands because water was being siphoned from the vault. If the "fall of Shady Sands" was precipitated, as it were, by a drought, then that would fairly neatly reconcile the dates. Ravaged by thirst, the city was no longer fit for purpose as the NCR capital but limped along for a few more years until it was destroyed by Lucy's father in a fit of pique. Funny fact related to the date controversy: in Twin Peaks: The Return, the last line in the show is spoken by Kyle MacLachlan: "What year is this?"
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