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CGI Billy Connolly was a blast. Like josh04 points out, being 'artificial' is a sickness in the originals. Frodo becomes colour-corrected after his encounter with the wraiths and getting ghost-shanked. Baddies wear more makeup than goodies. The ring's influence turns a real person into a CGI Gollum, and people into wraiths, etc. Being made evil deprives you of your reality, your substance, your human truth or whatever - Sauron embodies the end result, his two forms being A: An empty suit of armour, and B: A flaming eye with Literally Nothing at its center. The ultimate threat is to not be a person at all. Your identity is stolen by fascism or monarchs or communists or whatever you think Sauron signifies. Making Connolly and other 'good' characters CG complicates this by essentially saying that there's nothing 'real' about anyone at all. Azog and Dain are equated visually and thematically. Everyone is united in blissful nonpersonhood, whether they believe it or not. Beneath the sky there is one family of monsters and we murder each other in a desperate search for meaning. The giant, unrealistically-over-regimented CGI armies function as a funny joke about how war robs people of their personhood. When folks talk about how they didn't really get to know the dwarves and they just got turned into set decorations for Thorin's journey, they're not even making a criticism, but describing the basic plot.
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Hbomberguy posted:CGI Billy Connolly was a blast. This works for Viggo Mortensen who broke his foot on a helmet prop and had to parry a misthrown knife or die, and Galadriel actually come to think of it, but what about Legolas in LOTR then, who is half Orlando Bloom, half elf, half cool cgi stunts? Gimli too, probably. e: The spooky ghost army too, since their whole thing is wanting to not be in the movie anymore and a mass of spookiness except the king. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Aug 7, 2015 |
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Aug 7, 2015 13:14
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RBA Starblade posted:This works for Viggo Mortensen who broke his foot on a helmet prop and had to parry a misthrown knife or die, and Galadriel actually come to think of it, but what about Legolas in LOTR then, who is half Orlando Bloom, half elf, half cool cgi stunts? Gimli too, probably. Elves are inherently magical, but they're also dying out (usually of their own volition, i.e. sailing out West). Gimli was actually fairly grounded to the best of my knowledge. The ghost army is basically what would happen if a whole bunch of lepers/people with ebola/ your favorite disease here martyred themselves at the enemy.
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Aug 7, 2015 13:18
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computer parts posted:Elves are inherently magical, but they're also dying out (usually of their own volition, i.e. sailing out West). Gimli was actually fairly grounded to the best of my knowledge. Oh I meant the ghosts work in that reading too. I just couldn't recall if Gimli had a lot of cgi stunts or not so I couldn't figure out how he'd fit into it.
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I don't remember seeing a whole lot of Gimli CGI, I believe it was mostly done through camera tricks and using little people in the wide shots.
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Aug 7, 2015 14:08
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As it turns out, the most real and thus most good creature in The Lord of the Rings is Bill the Pony.
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Why do people who hate The Hobbit come into The Hobbit Thread to tell people who don't hate The Hobbit to stop talking about The Hobbit in The Hobbit thread? And why is it the people who don't hate the The Hobbit in this scenario are the ones diagnosed with mental issues in a crude mimicry of humor? Shouldn't this be the thread where people talk about the movie? Like actually talk about it and not spend every waking hour trying to stifle discussion ("ITS BAD ITS AUTISTIC STOP TALKING IF AUTHOR IS DEAD HOW COME MOVIE BAD HAPPEN")?
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Nerds desire closure. Closing the book on a movie being 'just bad' (by shouting people who think differently down or armchair diagnosing them with mental deficiencies) would be a weight off, because the possibility they could be wrong is daunting. Unfortunately, art doesn't work that way. So there is no escape. Instead of reading Beowulf, giving it X stars out of ten, and then consuming the next piece of media, Tolkien devoted a massive part of his life to translating, re-reading, and researching it. Tolkien knew how to approach art - and what a surprise, lived a more fulfilling life.
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Aug 9, 2015 13:19
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Hbomberguy posted:CGI Billy Connolly was a blast. So what about the ents?
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Bongo Bill posted:Takes time to set up something like that, and also I'm sure he relished the challenge. They couldn't just put a double in a wig like for 90% of Saruman's screentime?
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Aug 25, 2015 03:43
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So begins viral marketing for The Battle of the Five Armies: The Beorn Cut.
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Aug 25, 2015 03:54
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And we have info on the Extended Edition: http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2015/08/25/99120-battle-of-the-five-armies-ee-dvd-available-november-17/ The Blu-Ray & DVD of the EE is going to release on November 17. If you want it digitally, you can get it on October 17 instead. The EE will cost ~$35 for Blu-Ray & DVD, add about 20 minutes, and most importantly will be R Rated. I don't know why.
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Aug 25, 2015 23:38
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Maybe they filmed the Radagast sounding scene after all.
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Hbomberguy posted:Nerds desire closure. Closing the book on a movie being 'just bad' (by shouting people who think differently down or armchair diagnosing them with mental deficiencies) would be a weight off, because the possibility they could be wrong is daunting. http://i.imgur.com/PP5Z5lj.gifv
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computer parts posted:I doubt it since a lot of his LOTR battles are literally two paragraphs in length. Yeah, he's not exactly Bernard Cornwell or Joe Abercrombie. He resorts to "it was too huge to describe" or whatever a fair bit.
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Extended edition bonus features:quote:The Appendices Part 11: The Gathering Storm - The Chronicles of The Hobbit – Part 3 All added up that's a solid 10 hours. Plus of course the audio commentary.
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Oct 12, 2015 04:06
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Is there a 90 min super cut yet?
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Oct 12, 2015 04:58
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28 minutes about how badly they hosed Dain up?
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Oct 12, 2015 17:42
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Jesus, they're going to spend 90 minutes talking about three half assed characters.
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Surely if they spend more time assing about them they'd be less half-assed?
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Full rear end, you mean.
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Just got back from a Fathom Events showing of Five Armies EE, and while I don't have a strong frame of reference for the original cut of the film (aka 'I think this is new, but gently caress if I can remember'), I came out of the theater tonight having enjoyed the film as a whole more than before. There's a lot more little bits featuring characters that got ignored in the original cut, and everything felt solid. I can't compare this EE to the other Hobbit EEs since I never bothered getting them.
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I don't know how to feel about the EEs, I haven't seen them but really enjoyed the feel of the original cuts as a battle between a fun cartoony hobbit movie and the Darker Edgier Expanded Universe - the expanded edition is an admission that the latter side won. It might be interesting to interpret the EE versions as even-more-distorted versions of the originals, wherein the original story has been fully assimilated into the narrative canon, strip-mined of its original beauty and force-fed backstories and brooding 'depth' to bring it more in line.
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MisterBibs posted:Just got back from a Fathom Events showing of Five Armies EE, and while I don't have a strong frame of reference for the original cut of the film (aka 'I think this is new, but gently caress if I can remember'), I came out of the theater tonight having enjoyed the film as a whole more than before. There's a lot more little bits featuring characters that got ignored in the original cut, and everything felt solid. This is all I care about : Was there more than 3 seconds of Beorn, and was Thorin's funeral back in? OH AND MORE IMPORTANTLY: Does Bombur get to speak???? Hedrigall fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Hedrigall posted:Was there more than 3 seconds of Beorn, and was Thorin's funeral back in? Not much more of Beorn on the battlefield, but he shows up during Thorin's funeral and Kingification of Redhead Dwarf Hammer Dude. Hedrigall posted:OH AND MORE IMPORTANTLY: Does Bombur get to speak???? He says a few lines in an incredibly funny scene: Bifur (the dwarf with the axe in his head) headbutts an Orc, getting stuck forehead-to-forehead with the thing, complete with a HELP I AM STUCK TO AN ORC I DID NOT FORSEE THIS look on his face. A few of his fellow dwarves help him out, causing the axe thing to fall out of his head. Bombur picks it up innocently and hands it to Bifur with a  Hey I got your axe bit back! line, before Bifur says "I'll tell you where you can put that thing..."
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MisterBibs posted:He says a few lines in an incredibly funny scene: Bifur (the dwarf with the axe in his head) headbutts an Orc, getting stuck forehead-to-forehead with the thing, complete with a HELP I AM STUCK TO AN ORC I DID NOT FORSEE THIS look on his face. A few of his fellow dwarves help him out, causing the axe thing to fall out of his head. Bombur picks it up innocently and hands it to Bifur with a  Oh my god. Does he have a dopey Obelix-ish voice?
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I would not know, as I have no idea who that is.
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MisterBibs posted:I would not know, as I have no idea who that is. What, you've never seen any Asterix cartoons?
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THE BAR posted:What, you've never seen any Asterix cartoons? On a rewatch, it is weird that the battle takes up about a third of the movie, give or take, yet somehow there's so little battle footage. We get this big set up where it seems important that these particular guys are here, these guys are here, that's happening there, yet then that's all forgotten and just becomes a melee where we only follow the hero characters. It's not a tactical realism complaint, it's just that some battles in film make sure you understand the big picture, others are about individual struggles, and some balance them. The Five Armies battle does none of those things. The relative position of everything is important, then forgotten. There's probably a commentary in there about the fog of war and the naivety of battle tactics ("no plan survives contact with the enemy," etc) but it's also unsatisfying. It's a pity, because there's such an absurd amount of work put into it. I didn't notice until watching it at home, but every battle troll has completely unique armour, as do most of the orcs. The orcs from the two different fortresses are instantly distinguishable. 12 years, huge improvements in technology and a mass more experience, and Helm's Deep is still the best battle scene in the series by a large margin. I reckon, next, give Jackson something completely trashy to adapt. A Warhammer book or something. He could do it. There's little subtlety or nuance, just big bombastic moments mixed with gruesome, goofy ones. He'd be right at home. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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THE BAR posted:What, you've never seen any Asterix cartoons? Never heard of it. v  v
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It's okay, not everybody is French
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MisterBibs posted:Not much more of Beorn on the battlefield, but he shows up during Thorin's funeral and Kingification of Redhead Dwarf Hammer Dude. AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE loving SMAUG FIGHT LONGER. AAARRRGGHHHH WHAT A WASTE OF A FREE VOUCHER. That whole hub bub about black arrows only being able to be fired from these badass crossbow/ballista launcher things and not any mention of it at all like they forgot all about it. It's only twenty measly minutes extra, and its mostly put into the battle to add a bit more comedic moments and a WHOLE LOT MORE cgi orc decapitations and mutilations. Which are admittedly gruesome and kinda funny.  Save for when the one dwarf pilots a massive troll with maces for legs and morning star arms. It's loving reigns are lodged in its goddamn eye sockets effectively making it blind. It's pretty horrifying. The extended edition is anemic at best and just useless at worst save your money go watch the old 70s .
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Jiro posted:AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE loving SMAUG FIGHT LONGER. AAARRRGGHHHH WHAT A WASTE OF A FREE VOUCHER. That whole hub bub about black arrows only being able to be fired from these badass crossbow/ballista launcher things and not any mention of it at all like they forgot all about it. It's only twenty measly minutes extra, and its mostly put into the battle to add a bit more comedic moments and a WHOLE LOT MORE cgi orc decapitations and mutilations. Which are admittedly gruesome and kinda funny. The armies look great and make almost anything else in the genre look really loving half assed by comparison.
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MisterBibs posted:I would not know, as I have no idea who that is. I feel very slightly offended. Although I have to ask, there were Asterix cartoons? All I've known were the comics, but I guess non-american comics have never done particularly well in NA, have they.
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Amppelix posted:I feel very slightly offended. There have been four live-action and nine animated Asterix films, thirty Asterix video games, fifteen Asterix board games, one Asterix theme park, and one artificial Asterix satellite.
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Bongo Bill posted:There have been four live-action and nine animated Asterix films, thirty Asterix video games, fifteen Asterix board games, one Asterix theme park, and one artificial Asterix satellite. Well I knew about all of these except the theme park (really?), but like was there an actual cartoon series too besides just animated features? I find these kinds of differences in culture fascinating. Like how Ducktales is really popular over in the US but mostly passed over in favor of the comics in EU, and vice versa.
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Yes really! I've been to Parc Asterix. It's fun  There's a full reconstruction of the village, and a Rome-themed area, and a few others I forget. It has an excellent wooden rollercoaster, one of the best in the world.
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Amppelix posted:Well I knew about all of these except the theme park (really?), but like was there an actual cartoon series too besides just animated features? If you've ever seen the Tintin cartoons, then expect the same focus on emulating the comics. Oh, and yes, they're all movie feature length. The first one was drawn in a slightly different style; Caesar especially looks dodgy.
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Snowman_McK posted:The armies look great and make almost anything else in the genre look really loving half assed by comparison. In TBOFA? I've not seen it since the cinema release but isn't the elf army literally just the same two or three dudes copied and posted 1000 times? It looked loving awful.
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