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I'm literally going to Shanghai tomorrow, anyone know of any good way to bypass the famed great firewall? I'm planning on using my own proxy server but backups would be appreciated.
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Grotz posted:One interesting spin-off of this was that the PLA began using their production facilities to make non-military goods, such as clothes and consumer articles (the example that came up most was washing machines for some reason). As you pointed out, this was originally allowed in order to secure more funding for the military.
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Feb 15, 2012 06:34
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hitension posted:Wait, so two people who have never heard of Le Keqiang are arguing about something he may or may not have said? He's pretty much one of the top 5 or so important people in China right now... But yeah, China is still basically two countries: a first world country with 200-300 million in it living within a second-third world country (depend on where you are) with a billion people in it.
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Feb 18, 2012 19:50
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Ervin K posted:How big is social unrest against the government in China? I've seen many news stories of massive protests at various factories across the country, but I also hear about major political apathy amongst most civilians. How much of a grip does the government have? Of course, protests and such occurs mostly in the rural areas, people there -might- be less political apathetic simply because they are getting screwed more by the local government on a daily basis.
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Apr 15, 2012 04:35
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whatever7 posted:That's not a fair statement. First and 2nd tier cities residents faces much higher real estate pressure.
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Apr 17, 2012 08:18
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Ytlaya posted:Is it common for public figures to openly brag about their scholarly achievements? I can't imagine any US politician bragging about getting straight A's, even if you ignore anti-intellectualism; it's sort of a social taboo to talk about how elite you are, largely because it's common knowledge that those sorts of accomplishments are mostly limited to people born into privilege (not to mention the fact that being humble is considered a virtue).
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Apr 28, 2012 03:00
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Modus Operandi posted:I'm surprised China doesn't do this more often. They would be offloading political liabilities overseas where these people would be marginalized by foreign media. The mainstream U.S. press pays attention only because China kicks up a big controversy over it with their actions.
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May 5, 2012 00:30
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir. Ingibjörg Sólrún prior to the collab scandal. Pragmatically though: the CCP in the 1930s and 1940s were thought of and often were bandits hiding out in the mountains of Yan'an, while the KMT was recognized to be the legitimate government of China. He was backing the horse that looked to be winning.
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Jun 5, 2012 17:51
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Raenir Salazar posted:On a semi related note one person had said he hoped one day soon "the chinese people will have had enough" regarding dissidents, which I felt was naive thinking considering how disastrous popular uprisings had been for China in the past (Taiping anyone?). Would my reasoning be somewhat accurate in my supposition that a solid majority probably are fine with the government so long as it stays good on its promise to bring them jobs/economic growth and that the 'police excesses' are highly unlikely to; individually nor accumulatively going to result spontaneously in another 1911? And that the things that *may* result in it are Tom Clancyesque levels of contrived stupidity that the central gov't would never do/let happen in real life**?
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Jun 15, 2012 05:12
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Or maybe it's just that they're missing having an actual working ethical framework for society instead of just rampant materialistic capitalism? The idea that China needs some sort of "new" ethic framework for society though has being around for literally the last ~100 years, starting around the May 4th movement (or even earlier) when old Confucian values showed itself to be clearly obsolete for the modern world. So you had the 1920s and one version of nationalism (and a million other ideas), but that failed, then you had Marxist-Leninism in the 1950-1979, and that went out the window. So in some ways China never really got over the exactly same question which was asked in 1919, which is what exactly is suppose to replace "traditional Confucian values".
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Oct 30, 2012 17:54
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Nooot sure what your meaning is there dawg.
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Oct 31, 2012 00:37
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Tom Smykowski posted:The PLA (and all police forces, even chengguan I think) is trained in different kinds of crowd management. Things like choralling and diverting are a big part of it. Their extent of force probably depends on which of the military district they come from. The military district that has southwest including Tibet is known for being really rough. The PLA isn't going to get involved. Hell, the PLA doesn't even get involved in suppressing protests on the Mainland since 1989. The People's Armed Police does that.
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Sep 30, 2014 04:38
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, this protest or at least part of it is still being called "Occupy Central with Love and Peace." Everyone forgot about it in the US, but thats the US. OWS lasted....what, 2 month? I'll be very surprised if this is allowed to last that long.
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Sep 30, 2014 04:41
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fspades posted:If this is a Chinese protest it's just one of the many other protests that went under western media's radar in the recent years. Believe it or not, not every protest is suppressed, Tienanmen style. Some of them even manage to gain some concessions. This is getting more attention because: The ironic thing s of course it's harder for the Chinese government to give concessions even if they want to precisely because it's got so much attention. A big protests like this working in gaining concessions might give people on the mainland wrong ideas about what they might be able to do in the future.
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Sep 30, 2014 04:45
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caberham posted:Mainland traffic as usual. And the tourists normally don't give a poo poo or might gawk here and there. Even June 4 vigil wasn't disrupted. You can still buy iPhone 6 plus gold 128gb for 18000 hkd. That's around 2000 USD. wtf who the gently caress pays $2000 for an iphone
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Sep 30, 2014 08:18
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caberham posted:Japan is the more obvious country which is trying to shift manufacturing away from China. Having EVIL JAPANESE demonstrations and horrible race riots makes Japanese clients and factory bosses really freaking nervous. Workers will also get pissed off if they find out that they are making things for a Japanese company. The other factor is Chinese wages are rising as it approaches middle-income, and a lot of the lower end manufacturing is getting shifted to countries poorer than China.
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Oct 6, 2014 06:17
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Bloodnose posted:Reading this wumao comment got me thinking about what the insane nationalists actually think the west wants to accomplish by fomenting democratic revolution in China. Like the reasonable (if it can be called that) idea would be that the US wants to see the CCP overthrown and a 1960s-KMT-style, US-oriented dictatorship installed. But this guy is suggesting that the US wants China to become a real, vibrant, competitive democracy just like any in the west. And somehow... that would be good for the US and bad for China? Because America can control China as a "puppy" via an opposition party? Chinese nationalists sees this as a plot to weaken China through internal turmoil, and then will follow this up by breaking up China like the colonial powers did in the 19th century. Democracy is just a western conspiracy to weaken/divide China because the last time China had a parliament it resulted in the era of the warlords. The idea that the someone will try to break up China, BTW, is pretty mainstream view in China and is ingrained in the "Empire, long united, must divide" historical mentality. They probably also think it's the current protests is a plot to eventually get HK to be independent. Typo fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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Oct 19, 2014 07:31
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whatever7 posted:
Cantonese nationalism isn't an actual thing and don't constitute an ethnic group, people just think it is because they project European style linguistic nationalism onto Asia.
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Oct 20, 2014 04:04
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Fojar38 posted:I'm annoyed when people talk about "China will reclaim its spot as the world's largest economy because that is the natural way the world worked based on the time period between the 1st century CE and the 18th century and the past two centuries have been mere anomalies" because it strikes me as historical determinist hogwash. Especially when you ask the question of why we don't go back even further, since I'd wager that the Roman Empire at its height was a larger economy than the Han Dynasty. Why don't people use the same argument to say that it's the natural world order for the West to have the largest economy because Roman Empire? It's because it's a bad argument. Because no single state has ever unified the territories of the former Roman Empire. If the EU ever federalizes or w/e then yeah, it has a larger economy than China.
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Oct 21, 2014 20:36
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pentyne posted:Nations that have deeply offended the feelings of the Chinese people? That's exact it I think: http://www.danwei.org/foreign_affairs/a_map_of_hurt_feelings.php
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Oct 24, 2014 00:43
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Zoe posted:Hi thread I had a quick question for any of you actually living in Hong Kong: how upset are people about that goony-looking psycho murdering those prostitutes? I bet he likes Huey Lewis and Phil colins
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Nov 4, 2014 06:29
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haha tibetan protesters are dumb because all they are really doing is confirming the Chinese government line that we have to keep tibet from having any autonomy at all costs because there's an international conspiracy to give Tibetan independence so we have to oppose that no matter what
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Mar 29, 2016 18:43
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sincx posted:Under no condition will the Chinese government give up Tibet unless it becomes physically/militarily impossible for them to retain control. What the activists do or don't do has no bearing on things. No, but Tibet could over hope for greater autonomy within China and as long as international protestors make it an issue it feeds the paranoia that makes it difficult for that to ever happen
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Peven Stan posted:No, more like Americans are hypocrites who talk a big game about human rights because the police who do the cracking down are employed by local elites as opposed to the federal government also in america they lynch the negros
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Feb 26, 2018 01:40
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Nilbop posted:Someone please explain this sentence to me because I'm having an extremely hard time parsing what it means. it means the constitution of China guarantees the supremacy of the CCP in Chinese politics no matter what the equivalent of this would be if the US constitution pass amendment saying Republican party is indispensible to American democracy
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Feb 26, 2018 01:43
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caberham posted:It sucks but I don't think it's going to cause a panic sell off in the stock markets so in china communist party will literally just shut down stock xchange if that happens
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Feb 26, 2018 01:49
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Peven Stan posted:Not a real country or a distinct "people" from mainlanders. haha wow
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Feb 26, 2018 03:53
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.cba039f478a2  What’s more, ROC residents increasingly identify as Taiwanese rather than Chinese. That identity has changed significantly since the island became a democracy in the 1990s. In 1991, ROC and PRC representatives met with one another for the first time since the 1949 civil war. At that point, about one-fourth of Taiwan’s residents identified themselves exclusively as “Chinese”; 17.6 percent as exclusively “Taiwanese”; and nearly half said both Chinese and Taiwanese. But by 2014, only 3 percent still identified exclusively as Chinese — and more than 60 percent Taiwanese, hovering around there ever since. Today, only one-third of Taiwan’s residents think of themselves as both Chinese and Taiwanese. Among those who are 29 or younger, born after martial law ended in 1987, 78 percent hold an exclusively Taiwanese identity — as do nearly 70 percent of people younger than 40. If this trend continues, a solely Taiwanese identity will prevail as residents’ consensus.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:56
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Peven Stan posted:Not even taiwan calls itself a separate country from the mainland, for obvious reasons they have their own police, army, currency and anti-aircraft missles sounds like a country to me
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Feb 26, 2018 03:57
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Xi Jiping should just declare the new "Xi" dynasty and himself as the "harmonious socialist emperor" or something, that would solve the thorny problem of communism standing in the way of re-unification
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Feb 26, 2018 03:59
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Peven Stan posted:They are as much a country as the western sahara is does western sahara have its own anti-aircraft missiles capable of shooting down advanced russian made fighter planes? didn't think so, so situation no same
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Feb 26, 2018 04:00
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Peven Stan posted:I did not realize that anti-aircraft weapons make a nation state you know there's a saying that a language is a dialect with an army and that the state is just a monopoly on violence
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Feb 26, 2018 04:04
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Modest Mao posted:did official titles and term limits matter for previous leaders of China it did for Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao, not so much for Deng or Mao past the early 1960s Mao was post great leap forward was vozhdism (leaderism) par excellence, Deng was more first among equals among China's leadership in the 70s-90s but still depended on his prestige as a long march commander and capable administrator more than any party post or party hiearchy Typo fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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Feb 26, 2018 06:28
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Peven Stan posted:South Vietnam existed, until it didn't. South Korea existed until...oh wait
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Feb 26, 2018 06:31
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man I can just imagine Peven stan standing around in a PLA uniform giving a pep talk to the first wave on Taiwanese beaches
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Feb 26, 2018 06:32
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if this was a war pevan stan would be the guy going about the chinese invasion of taiwan will be a cakewalk since weak american imperialists are pussies and how the taiwanese people will rise up en masse in support of their liberators from the mainalnd and then 2 weeks later they all get machine guned to death
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Feb 26, 2018 06:36
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Peven Stan posted:Plus, only 25 countries (as of early 2007) recognize Taiwan as an independent country and they recognize it as the "only" China. Due to this political pressure from China, Taiwan does not maintain an embassy in the United States and the United States (among most other countries) has not recognized Taiwan since January 1, 1979. for the first 25 years or so the PRC was not recognized in the UN and did not take their seat on the UNSC was it a nation-state yes/no
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Feb 26, 2018 06:39
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Back to Xi for a while I was genuinely thinking that China had discovered the 'third way" (heh) between socialism and capitalism and a stable succession system was one of the key hallmark. China's state capitalist economy might provide a genuine alternative to free market capitalism for better or worse and maybe by 2050 or so China is humming along just fine. And a merit based succession system and institutional constrains on the general secretary/president solves the old "bad emperor" problem that plagued China for 3000 years or so. Now China seems to be heading down the road to be just another generic dictatorship thanks to Emperor Xi's personal quest for power.
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Peven Stan posted:How is that any different from ang moh friendly dictatorship singapore Singapore didn't just amend its constitution in favor of its ruler after said ruler purged the government of his political opponents
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