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The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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Pro-PRC Laowai posted:

edit: this is seriously one of those things that you can't rely on wikipedia for any real information at all. Fighting with the 轮子 is futile as there is literally an entire swarm of them out there determined to force their bullshit. Basically every single thing they reference is a FLG website. You can fight, sure, but they have a few admins in their pocket and you'll just get yourself banned... then they'll dig into all your other articles and screw with them. It would be funny if it wasn't so loving creepy.
One of my history lecturers at university was asked to give a TV interview about the Falun Gong (he's Chinese). He wasn't totally positive about them, for many of the reasons given in this thread, and the next day a couple of big chinese men turned up at the department asking when he would be around and waited several hours for him before leaving.

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The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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Neurolimal posted:

So what's the plan when a country has significant air defense?

https://youtu.be/P0yKSNq-oLg?si=CJ_Oj_DGJcII8lnp

(Not saying they’re right, just that I suspect this is the plan)

Edit - in case this comes across to mods like I’m just emptyposting or that I think real war = x-men, what in getting at is that I suspect the US military expects through mighty effort and superior force to overcome any opposing air defence that might exist now or in the near future.

The Artificial Kid fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Sep 5, 2023

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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Dante80 posted:

Based on what we are seeing that is not announced.

This is a good starter for anyone interested in PLA watching (it's a hobby of mine)..rick joe is a great guy btw.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/pla-watching-a-beginners-guide-to-analyzing-chinas-military-tech/

This makes a big deal of the reserve/secrecy about new weapons but where are all these rumours coming from? Didn’t the US basically spring the stealth bomber on the world by complete surprise?

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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Gort posted:

China spends like a third of what the US does on its military. I think the idea that the US is being overtaken as #1 military superpower is incorrect.

Obviously there are things the US can't do to a nuclear-armed opponent that spends multiple hundreds of billions on its military, but the idea that China's the new world boss seems premature.

When you take into account purchasing power and the range of possible values for wastage on either side, spending of one third on the Chinese side could at least theoretically equate to a better military.

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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Kchama posted:

I still do not understand any of the logic used in this post. Huh??? Like I could see this being true if China had a smaller, more quality-focused military. But it apparently has both a much bigger military with lots of secret stuff, and yet spending much less. It doesn't sound like they could keep up the quality everywhere if that's the case.

Bearing in mind that enormous amounts of US resources are committed to gigantic, specialised means of fighting like carrier battle groups, and that those resources are not allocated without systemic waste, and that China may or may not have weapons that will asymmetrically defeat those units if put to the test, and that a US-dollar's-worth of spending in China buys more than it does in America it becomes hard to be THAT reassured by the difference in raw expenditure. I'm not saying that China's military IS stronger than America's. I think that's unlikely. But I don't think that the monetary gap makes it impossible. And even if we try to make a sober analysis of what each side has actually got for its money we are still left with unknowns, like whether Chinese missiles cut through US defences like butter, or whether the US has some unprecedented voodoo bullshit behind its back that it's just waiting for a reason to deploy.

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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i say swears online posted:

maybe we could make some sort of missile barrier out of scuttled zumwalts surrounding our carrier groups

Yeah or maybe the US has Effectors now to go with its knife missiles.

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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Kavros posted:

How on earth would you accomplish such an intervention in a place like germany? What would be the enforcement mechanism to obligate censorship of non-positive coverage of the economy?

Can’t they just get their central committee to crack a few heads?

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The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
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Information management is a form of opinion management but not vice versa. The Biden administration is releasing information and trying to bring opinions more into line with what might be hoped for based on the information. That’s not the same as starting to hide the information or blocking access to dissenting voices.

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