|
Mr. Crow posted:Well theres always proxmox i guess XCP-NG is more Enterprise rated and has enterprise support.
|
#
¿
Dec 15, 2023 03:46
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 9, 2024 09:28 |
|
|
BlankSystemDaemon posted:It'd be nice if folks learned the lesson that having any one solution is the wrong way, and instead some focus on working on kvm, while others improve bhyve (found in FreeBSD and Illumos distributions, among others) while still others work on Xen. Puppet and Chef support multi-hypervisor setups and you can script it.
|
|
#
¿
Dec 17, 2023 16:41
|
|
|
in a well actually posted:Did you just tell me to go gently caress myself? Broadcom did.
|
|
#
¿
Dec 17, 2023 18:17
|
|
|
Cloud - "I don't wanna own, I wanna rent and I want a landlord is who looking to charge every cent every time I flush the toilet or turn on the lights" Cloud has its uses, but realistically a colo with a rented VM would cost you less or running it yourself on surplus hardware.
|
|
#
¿
Dec 23, 2023 21:15
|
|
|
Potato Salad posted:largely comes down to whether your business has means and appetite for infrastructure and expanded security payroll imo In most cloud cases - Security is on you too. The Shared Responsibility model tends to leave that on your side of the fence unless you pay specifically for security through your specific cloud vendor. Seriously, having seen the absolute bullshit that Cloud Engineers and Software Devs do in the cloud - woe betide anyone not letting some sort of Security guy look over their code, app, and deployments. "What do you mean I can't just open my resources to the interne via terraform or use up a whole /24 block with 2-3 microservices?!" Have fun! Potato Salad posted:well, at least in azure's case there's a lot of extra value for cloud too. this is the virtualization thread, so we focus a lot on compute and storage infrastructure. Internal, B2B, and C2B IAM on Azure is pretty slick. having your business productivity/collaboration all in one place too is one hell of a value add for doing virt in Azure. Yes, but in most cases it ends up being more expensive to do so in cloud versus on prem even including possible labor costs for having dedicated engineers, which in most cases you need dedicated cloud engineers to handle this stuff anyways. And you can do the B2B and C2B IAM linked with your on prem services anyways. I have yet to see a truly Datacenter to Cloud migration or Digital Transformation not turn into a bill that makes a colo with new hardware look less appealing. There's very few cases where even serverless and container based workloads don't slowly turn into a massive bloat that makes a monolith blush and turns into massive costs. And yeah, hostage taking with data exfil costs is hilarious. You get locked in quick. Cloud has very good use cases - the problem is its still very much the new shiney that every C suite tech exec has decided is the future of Datacenters and is doing lovely lift and shifts and letting Devs/Engineers pull startup 'Move fast and break thing' style digital transformations that massively increases risks to the biz. Keep your VMs themselves out of the cloud if you can avoid it, you should focus on serverless and containers for cloud workloads unless you like big bills. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 23, 2023 |
|
#
¿
Dec 23, 2023 21:44
|
|
|
Subjunctive posted:I’m glad we’re not still running our own DCs for everything, because we would have to have a lot of hardware idle during most of the year in order to handle Black Friday/Cyber Monday. Yes, rapid scaling is where cloud shines, but not really a worthwhile reason to move everything to cloud - and again most of that stuff would be containerized or serverless loads. But even then, if you are a large enough organization that Black Friday induces that kind of load, you are likely also not one that needs a lot of external cloud providers and can likely handle the load. And then you get the bill. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Dec 24, 2023 |
|
#
¿
Dec 24, 2023 03:24
|
|
|
fresh_cheese posted:IBM sez “Come back to momma…” and is waving you towards a mainframe "By the way we're renting out the rest of it to """the cloud"""" " SlowBloke posted:Microsoft "vCenter" already exists, it's called System Center Virtual Machine Manager and it's absolute poo poo. It seems like HyperV just gets worse and worse as time goes on.
|
|
#
¿
Jan 29, 2024 01:18
|
|
|
Just make sure you go for XCP-NG and not the actual Citrix Xenserver. Save yourself the headache of 'why can't I use that feature?'
|
|
#
¿
Jan 29, 2024 18:47
|
|
|
Kreeblah posted:Broadcom has officially killed free ESXi now. Welp, gonna get harder to find talent that know how to use ESXi right out the gate. Damned shame.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2024 00:42
|
|
|
fresh_cheese posted:Its all node frameworks on serverless these days. Infrastructure is irrelevant, grandpa. Joking aside: Yeah, no its not. And there's hypervisors underneath that poo poo too.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2024 01:20
|
|
|
SlowBloke posted:VMware hasn't touched their educational license agreements, which are all subs. All of their coursework (and testing) kabuki isn't likely to go away, that's a lot of cash for minimal engineering effort. Give em time, Broadcom has basically sabotaged everything they touch outside of their hardware.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2024 15:40
|
|
|
Nitrousoxide posted:I have to imagine that Proxmox is salivating at the potential growth opportunity here. Same. Or someone is going to make a KVM GUI and start muscling in. Maybe it'll motivate XCP to start improving their product too.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2024 18:35
|
|
|
Thanks Ants posted:There will be CFOs who will insist on running workloads on whatever version of VMware your perpetual license currently entitles you to, even when the company refuses to renew the support agreement Yup. Its gonna be fun when new CVEs pop up and nobody can patch because they are out of support.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2024 18:36
|
|
|
Thanks Ants posted:Isn't that Thiel? You know these executive investment guys - they love copying each other.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2024 20:49
|
|
|
fresh_cheese posted:Is there a distinction between windows based workloads and linux based workload in terms likely options? Depends, but for most Hypervisors the only difference is how the base is configured for the guest OS. You can get decent performance with virtualized Windows too, enough that I've been able to do medium to heavy duty gaming on a virtualized And Windows instance with GPU passthrough on XCP-NG
|
|
#
¿
Feb 17, 2024 19:46
|
|
|
Moey posted:Anyone have to janitor XCP-NG? Is that any more "enterprise ready" than Proxmox? Its much more enterprise ready. Its basically Citrix Xenserver but without the licensing costs, and you can get 'pro-support' for it: https://xcp-ng.com/
|
|
#
¿
Feb 19, 2024 16:10
|
|
|
Yeah Openshift and Openstack have a lot of promise, but the reality is K8s/Containers are not really a 1 for 1 replacement for virtualization and there's a lot of maturity issues with a lot of Cloud Native stuff like Terraform/K8s.
|
|
#
¿
Mar 4, 2024 19:12
|
|
|
fresh_cheese posted:Blade servers are back, baby Hyperconverged time, baby!
|
|
#
¿
Mar 6, 2024 02:07
|
|
|
Harry_Potato posted:Nutanix is the last enterprise hypervisor standing. Decent support across vendors and tools and it checks the right corporate boxes. Xenserver has a lot of ground to cover before it can be taken seriously and the rest of the field is a KVM based tool but without the backing. Microsoft sells cloud and their only interest in hypervisors is using it as an on ramp. For all of us career virtualization guys, it's either learn a new product or apprentice at the muffler shop bending pipe. Hyperconverged is our last hope. I'd disagree since Xenserver is used a lot believe it or not, there's more Xenserver clusters than there are Nutanix. quote:VMware dominates the market with 84% of all hypervisors running vSphere. Citrix XenServer follows with 10%, trailed by Microsoft’s Hyper-V and Nutanix’s AHV at 4% and 2%, respectively. Organization-wise, 68% use VMware, 18% Citrix, 11% HYPER Ventures, and 4% AHV. At least among clients I've run into, its mostly been VMWare, obviously, but several Citrix clients and one or two Nutanix. Not saying Nutanix is bad, but its not got more market share either. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Mar 9, 2024 |
|
#
¿
Mar 9, 2024 02:35
|
|
|
Subjunctive posted:You folks make this sound like a lot more work than the cloud. LMAO - If you think the cloud isn't work and isn't built of these bastardized technologies. Also - the joy of doing Incident Response on someone's lovely cloud environment that got popped because it was 'easy to setup' and they did absolutely zero hardening and everything uses the same super-admin service account. gently caress the cloud.
|
|
#
¿
Mar 9, 2024 15:37
|
|
|
Thanks Ants posted:Cloud is good because I get to be all "if I can't see the sausage being made then it must all be great" about it Nah it's worse than that, because they let some Devs and SREs make the sausage and they stuffed it full of lies and bullshit. Two groups of people who have no clue how networks and infrastructure works are being allowed to handle it all themselves. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Mar 9, 2024 |
|
#
¿
Mar 9, 2024 15:40
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 9, 2024 09:28 |
|
|
Subjunctive posted:Well, you can set up cloud permissions correctly or not, and you can set up on-prem permissions correctly or not. Like, do the job well and things are easier. Try to pay bottom-quintile salaries and decouple security completely from infrastructure from application development and keep people from being able to try different things and you’re going to have a hard time. Won't lie, I'm jealous, because this isn't common, but then again I tend to see the worst in companies because of doing Security. Subjunctive posted:Yeah, don’t do that. Give the devs and SREs the tooling (including integration into the development stack) and education such that the thing you want them to do is the easy path and exceptional needs get thoughtful, collaborative support instead of “square peg, please choose from our selection of round holes”. "Well, we fired the Infrastructure and Systems Engineering guys because Terraform lets the Devs and SREs do it all and save us money! How were we to know they would cause this mess? It saved the company millions!" - Actual thing I was told during an incident as we asked who allowed their Devs to deploy very sketchy terraform that led to a total compromise of their cloud environment and led back to on prem getting compromised as well. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 9, 2024 |
|
#
¿
Mar 9, 2024 16:49
|
|