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Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Phanatic posted:

The funniest thing about that attitude is that there isn't even any bourbon made in Bourbon County anymore! So I guess insularity has a practical limit.

Actually, no, the funniest thing is that he wouldn't consider Hirsch bourbon to be bourbon.

Bourbon is named for Old Bourbon County, Virginia, not the current Bourbon County, Kentucky.

So really, Bourbon County, Kentucky was never really where they made bourbon whiskey.

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Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I finally made the journey over to the Ohio-Indiana state line and got my hands on some Three Floyds stuff that they don't sell in Ohio. I'll typically see one or two bombers of 3F in Ohio, but its usually some of their seasonals like Brian Boru, Behemoth (I think that's what its called), and the Black Sun Stout. Never any 6-packs or anything.

So anyways, got a 6pack of Alpha King, a 6pack of Pride and Joy, and a bomber of Arctic Panzer Wolf.

Today is a good day.

Mahoning fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 22, 2012

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

bengy81 posted:

That Ten Fidy was the buy of the century, I would kill to score a fresh pack for under $13, much less an aged one.

Confession time: I just had my first taste of Yeti tonight, and it was AMAZING! The chocolate and coffee and wow, it was so loving good. What are some other imperial stouts worth trying?

Stone's Imperial Russian Stout is widely available right now and it is delicious.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Midorka posted:

While I appreciate Stones RIS, I can not stand the presence of raisins, or dark dried fruits, in my beer, which Stone's RIS has. I like raisins, just not in my beer. When I want a stout I want chocolate, roasted malts, and such.

I was just relaying a good Imperial stout to the goon that asked.

And while your opinion is valid, and tastes are subjective and all, I happen to completely disagree with you.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

dumptruckzzz posted:

It's a pretty rough thread, the general attitude in this thread is nothing but condescending remarks about who can dick wag with the most impressive beer and is far from friendly.

Unfortunately its kind of a given with the nature of the craft beer community. This thread is no exception.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

dumptruckzzz posted:

Gotta make my Midorka quotes less subtle. You're really limiting yourself if you cut out beers just because of one flavor you don't initially like, one of my first good craft beers was SNPA and I'm glad I didn't just give up on it because hops weren't something I was used to.

I'm sorry I didn't pick up on this last night....I had enjoyed too much beer at that point. :tinsley:

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I'm going to Michigan next month, then North Carolina in July. Can anyone throw out some good beers that are available in either state that might not be available in other places? I want to start making a list.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Thanks for all the suggestions so far. For reference I'm in Ohio, and we get a lot of the stuff that has been mentioned already like Founders, Bell's, etc. I don't foresee a ton in Michigan that I can't get in Ohio, but then again Ohio does have this dumb upper limit on ABV in beer so anything over 12% I can't get (and good lord I'm not sure how much I would want something with an ABV above that).

I think NC has more stuff that I can't get than Michigan, so keep em comin' if anyone else has suggestions.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Retemnav posted:

NC effort post!

Statewide - you should be able to find any of these beers at pretty much any decent bottleshop or bigbox beer (Total Wine) in the state.
Foothills - People's Porter is available in bombers widely. 6 packs of their Endo IPA are too. Both are good.
Olde Hickory - distribute pretty much in bombers only. Hickory Stick Stout and their Imperial Stout are both very good. I'm also partial to their Irish Walker barleywine and their Weizen-Bock. Death by Hops lives up to it's name.
Mother Earth - six packs widely available. Their Dark Cloud dunkel is probably one of my favorite easy drinking beers, Sisters of the Moon is a drat good IPA.
Duck Rabbit - the dark beer specialists. Six packs. The RIS may be getting scarce by July, and I know the Baltic Porter is now. The Milk Stout is available pretty much any time. I think the RIS and Baltic Porter are their best stuff, but all their beers are pretty good. Hoppy Bunny ABA is their new one and may still be available in July.
Lonerider - six packs widely available, Peacemaker Pale Ale is great. Their other stuff is just ok.
Natty Greene's - six packs, but their bottled stuff has never wowed me, their best stuff is at their pubs.
Big Boss - Bad Penny is pretty good.
Red Oak - their lager is everywhere, but normally only in 12 packs. They are widely available on tap, though. Very traditional lager, reminds me of Czech beers.

Regional
Western NC/Asheville
This is where all the cool kids from CO and CA are setting up their East Coast shops. Asheville's a fantastic town to visit if you're in the area, and there are a couple of bottle shops that have a great supply of NC beer: Bruisin' Ales and Hops & Vines. A lot of NC breweries don't bottle much yet, however.

Nantahala and Pisgah breweries are both outside of Asheville, but VERY much worth a visit if you can swing it.

In Asheville:
Visit: Wedge, Asheville Pizza, The Oyster House, French Broad, Green Man, Highland
Skip: LaB
Maybe: Craggie (this is a polarizing place)

French Broad Rye Hopper, Oyster House Oyster Stout, Green Man Porter and Highland St. Teresa's are all great.

The Thirsty Monk pub keeps a lot of NC beer on tap, and recently started making their own beer too.

Hickory
Olde Hickory and Loe's Brewery. Olde Hickory is established and awesome, Loe's is brand new and interesting. Last time I was there, Olde Hickory's sampler was 14 beers.

Winston/Greensboro/High Point
Foothills (WS) Really don't do a lot of pub only beer that's better than what they bottle.
Natty Greenes (GSO) they also have a pub in Raleigh. ALL of their really good stuff is pub only, and they have a ton of it (8-12 taps of pub only).
Liberty Steakhouse (HP) Don't bottle at all, the place feels like a chain restaurant, but their brewer knows his poo poo. Consistently win gold in NC competitions. Deep River Wit and their Kellerbier are fantastic.

1st Street Draught House in WS keeps a lot of NC stuff on tap.

Triangle (Raleigh/Durham)
RD gets less attention, but I think their brewers are actually better than Asheville's.
Triangle Brewing - they can their Golden and White Ales, but limited distro. Habanero pale ale is the best pepper beer I've ever had. One of the few NC breweries doing sours, they sometimes have on a soured Abbey beer, and they did a lambic this year.
Bull City Burgers & Brewery - beer is good, burgers are UNGODLY.
Roth - Consecration and Sex Viking are both good.
Fullsteam - awesome place to hang out, normally have interesting stuff on cask. Working Man's Lunch is tasty as all hell.
Top of the Hill - only worth going when the Back Bar is open, they have the good stuff on tap there.
Boylan Bridge - nothing that stood out to me, just solid across the board, they have a great view of downtown Raleigh.
Aviator - Hop Rod Red and HogWyld IPA are the only two I've had, but they are really good.

The Flying Saucer and the Pour House keep lots of NC beer on tap. Busy Bee Cafe keeps great stuff on tap and has awesome food.

Charlotte
NoDa - Ghost Hop and NodaRyez'd are good. Have not been to their pub yet, but hear good things.
Olde Mecklenburg - Capt. Jack pilsner is EXCELLENT, I'd seriously compare it to Prima Pils. Another pub I haven't visited, but heard really good things about.
rear end Clown - north of the city, very new, I haven't gotten any of their stuff yet.

Flying Saucer also has a location in Charlotte.

Outer Banks
Weeping Radish - solid enough if you're in the area.
Outer Banks Brewing Station - Vitis Reductus Sour Ale. Yummy.

Okay...I think that's a pretty definitive tour of NC beer!

Just wanna say thanks a ton for this. I'll be in the Outer Banks specifically but may be in Pinehurst for a day or two beforehand.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Any Ohio beer goons had The Brew Kettle's imperial stout, Tunguska?

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I just had Lynch Pin, the Founders/Green Flash collaboration. It is labeled as a White IPA. To be honest, I feel like this beer can't figure out if its a wheat beer or an IPA....it honestly changed flavors like 2 or 3 times for me. But mostly it just came off as a slightly hoppy wheat beer.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Do bottles of Speedway Stout have a bottled date on them?

Because if not it's kind of dumb that they even bother putting "age this for 6-24 months" on the bottle.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Midorka posted:

I've been trying to set-up a trade with this guy from Ohio and it's been kind of a pain since neither of us know what the other can get, thank you Ratebeer. I don't know why it didn't occur to me until just now, but I can see the top beers brewed per state! I asked him to look into Thirsty Dog's Siberian Night Imperial Stout and Jackie-O's Dark Apparition. I don't know if they are rare or hard to find, but I'm hoping one of them will be found.

No no no. White Rajah by The Brew Kettle, previously mentioned Columbus IPA, and BORIS the Crusher and/or DORIS the Destroyer from Hoppin' Frog.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

escape artist posted:

What are the main differences between BORIS and DORIS? Besides $5 in price.

Higher ABV. The D in DORIS stands for Double Oatmeal Russian Imperial Stout. It's basically BORIS on roids. BORIS is better.

Also, they're both made year round, although DORIS is a lot harder to find than BORIS which isn't necessarily easy to find.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Pleasantly surprised by a new batch of Maharaja today.

Also almost bought the Rivertown 2011 Lambic that was just released a week or two back. It was labeled "malt beverage" on the label. I wonder what that is about, getting around Ohio's ABV limit for things that are labeled as beer? (it didn't list an ABV, and I have no idea what lambics usually run on ABV)

Their 2010 lambic was very good, but I have nothing to judge it against because its the only lambic I've ever drank. It tasted like champagne, is that typical?

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Good beer night for me. Went to the Brew Kettle brewpub and finally had White Rajah on draft. They had maybe 20 other great non-Brew Kettle beers on tap too. Great menu. I also drank a Bodhi from Columbus Brewing which was great. Also finally had KBS at my buddy's house. All in all a great beer night.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
How many other beer events have you been to in how many other cities?

Just wondering, you've made a ton of blanket statements already and failed to back any of them up, I figured you're probably talking out your rear end on this one too.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
For any Ohio or Western PA beer goons, I just read that Fat Head's is releasing their Head Hunter IPA next week in bottles for the first time. I've never had it (never had the opportunity to get up to their brewery) but supposedly it is a fantastic IPA.

e: In other Pennsylvania beer related news, it appears a proposal to privatize the liquor store system in the Keystone State has reached the floor of the State House for the first time ever. Baby steps I guess.....

Mahoning fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 12, 2012

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I've had a few Belgian beers in my day. It's never really been a style I liked at all. I tried a Matilda tonight....just didn't like it. Do all Belgians taste like flower tea?

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
What's good, if anything from Schlafly?

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I read an article that says its a violation of state a federal law to refill a growler that wasn't purchased at the place it's being refilled. Is that true? Because that sounds like a terrible law. Part of the idea of growlers is that they're less wasteful. Making you purchase 10 different growlers for 10 different growler stations is pretty wasteful.

That being said, I kind of realize its up to the individual retail outlet. But if it's illegal it's pretty dumb.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
So I found an FAQ on the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau Website:

TTB posted:

When is a growler a “bottle?”
A growler is a bottle when the brewer fills the container in advance of sale. The brewer may fill the growler prior to removal, on the brewery premises, or after tax determination on the brewpub premises.

When is a growler a “large glass?”
A growler is a large glass when a consumer uses the container to make a purchase and the brewer then fills the container. Consumers may furnish their own growler or may purchase it from the brewer.

So that's the federal law, clearly its not illegal to furnish your own growler according to the federal government. And actually the whole warning label thing doesn't even really apply if you're filling up a growler and taking it home.

I'm going to do some more research into Ohio's state laws regarding this.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
My issue is, I bought a Stone flip-top growler at a local bar, and I plan on filling it up with Columbus Bodhi when I drive through Columbus this weekend. I don't want to waste money on some lovely screw-top growler if I don't have to.

And hell, I mean its Stone. Not like some local rival brewer or something.

edit: FWIW, this is what I found regarding growlers in Ohio:

House Bill 243, effective March 22, 2012 posted:

Growlers For Carryout (D-8 permit) - Allows D-8 permit holders to fill and sell “growlers” of beer for carryout. A “growler” is a reusable glass container whose capacity does not exceed one gallon into which beer is dispensed.
• Products must be registered for sale in Ohio by the Division;
• The growler must be a glass container not to exceed one gallon;
• Containers must be cleaned and sanitized by the retailer immediately before it is filled;
• Containers must be sealed and transported according to Ohio’s open container laws.

Doesn't really say anything there either.

Mahoning fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 15, 2012

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

danbanana posted:

I have very limited experience with this brewery but the 3 or 4 brews I had of theirs at the Greenville-Spartanburg airport put them firmly in the "never want to try something from them ever again" category.

Speaking of the Carolinas, I'm going to be in the Outer Banks (Buxton area) for a week starting Saturday, driving from Charlotte. Any recommendations on places to stop in Raleigh-Durham or even on the Banks to stock up on a few good brews?

If you look back a few pages, an awesome NC goon answered this same type of question for me since I'll be in OBX in mid July.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Went to Hoppin' Frog brewery today because they released their Naked barrel aged barleywine. Picked up two bottles. They took me and my buddy's picture by their aging barrels. Pretty cool little operation they got going there (emphasis on little).

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Corbet posted:

Was it busy? I'm making the trip from Toledo to pick up a case on Saturday.

Not at all. Well, I mean there were some dudes busy making beer but that's it.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I'm in Lake Orion, MI for the weekend and was wondering if anyone knew of any places that sell a lot of good beer. I'm looking to find a few things I can't find in Ohio, maybe something above Ohio's 12% limit.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Finally spotted Oskar Blues in Ohio.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Does Three Floyds make any bad beer? I just had probably my 5th or 6th different 3F's beer (Broo Doo) and all of them have either been outstanding or just pretty drat good.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Just tried the Mint Chocolate Imperial Stout from Stone et. al.

Wow. Just a drat near perfect stout in my eyes. Very accessible for those who might not like stouts as much.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Kudosx posted:

Have any of you ever tried a good Maple Bacon beer?

I got the chance to try a Maple Bacon Stout by Fat Head's/Chardon Brew Works and it was quite unremarkable. I wasn't able to taste any bacon whatsoever, and the maple was a bit overwhelming. The mouthfeel was also way too thin for me, as I prefer thick stouts.

I feel like the only Maple Bacon beer I've seen with good reviews is the Porter from Funky Buddha lounge.

I also got the chance to try Hop Juju from Fat Head's, and it was outstanding. It was like an even more bitter version of Head Hunter, although not quite as well balanced. Fat Head's really makes some spectacular IPAs.

Hope Juju is awesome. Randomly this one night, a bar down here in Cincinnati had both that and Head Hunter on draft. It was awesome.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Great Lakes just announced two new seasonals for 2013, both IPAs.

quote:

Alchemy Hour Double IPA:
Style: Double India Pale Ale
First Available: February
Packaging: 4-Pack, Draft
ABV: 9.4% ABW: 7.5% IBU: 80
Flavor: Hop-forward with a balanced blend of Mosaic and Nugget hops.
Name Origin: On the West Coast, surfers have a term for that perfect time of day, when the waves are breaking just right and it feels like you can ride forever. They call it Alchemy Hour. Alchemy Hour Double IPA pays tribute to the North Coast’s unlikely surf bums and the ancient quest for liquid gold, wherever it may live: on the ocean, in a lake, in a bottle.


Rye of the Tiger IPA:
Style: India Pale Ale
First Available: April
Packaging: 6-Pack, 12-Pack, Draft
ABV: 7.5% ABW: 6.0% IBU: 92
Flavor: Strong citrus and pine presence with a clean, dry finish.
Name Origin: Named for its fierce hop profile and sharp rye content, Rye of the Tiger is a thrilling India Pale Ale with bite. If you can handle this hopped-up cat, you’ve earned your stripes.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

global tetrahedron posted:

I've had that Rye of the Tiger on tap; fairly decent, milder rye presence IMO but I don't like rye to be too overpowering. Like, I liked Ruthless Rye, but it was pretty prickly and tougher to drink.

Yeah they made Rye of the Tiger in the spring but it was draft-only. I didn't try it but I heard it was good.

2013 will be bottles and draft.

Great Lakes has really expanded their seasonals to one new one every 2 months or so. Here's the new schedule:

January—Conway’s Irish Ale

February—Alchemy Hour Double IPA

April—Rye of the Tiger IPA

May—Lake Erie Monster Imperial IPA

June—The Wright Pils

July—Oktoberfest

August—Nosferatu Imperial Red Ale

November—Christmas Ale

November—Blackout Stout

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Midorka posted:

Mmmmmmm Blackout Stout :swoon: I may buy a case, one.of my favorite beers of all time, I don't thinknit ages very well though. I had a few bottles fresh last year and it seemed to degrade as the months passed. I think I can get a 4 pack still to compare, which I may.

I think I'm going up to the brewery in a few weeks for the barrel-aged Blackout Stout.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Docjowles posted:

Matilda owns, but that's the only one of their beers I can find consistently and I'd like to try the rest.

I think you'll soon be able to find Sofie and Pere Jacques. When they rolled those beers out in Ohio I saw Matilda only for awhile but this past Spring it seems like they rolled out Sofie and PJ and I see it everywhere now.

Bought a bottle of Young's Double Chocolate Stout because of this thread. Hope it lives up to the hype.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Midorka posted:

Quoting this as another beer to try after Youngs Chocolate Stout, gently caress it's excellent for what it is.

I actually looked for it, but the only Harpoon beer I ever see is the IPA and their UFO stuff.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
In June I had Looking Glass, which is Devil Dancer aged in brandy barrels.

It was delicious.

Edit: and as I typed that I JUST realized why they call it Looking Glass. Well done Founders. :golfclap:

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Kudosx posted:

Did any of you get to try Hop Heathen by Hoppin' Frog when it was relatively fresh? That's a pretty great Black IPA, and one of the only ones in my area readily available outside of Stone SSR (Which is actually a bit of a pain for me to get, the only shop that I know of that carries it is 40 minutes away).

I really hope that someday Firestone Walker will distribute to OH, you folks talk about them an awful lot.

I'm just gonna buy a bunch of Barrel Aged Blackout this year and trade for stuff like FW, BCS, and others. I'd suggest you do the same.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Midorka posted:

I'll trade for a BA Blackout when you get one, please let me know when you do. I don't have PM here so update the thread and we'll discuss.

Yeah I'll let everyone know as I've already drawn some interest from others too. Last year it wasn't released until January so that's when it will probably be again. Stay tuned.

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Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
The only Rogue beer I've had in the past 5 years is their Chocolate Stout and it was pretty tasty. I'm pretty content with just assuming that I just picked their only good beer.

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