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Here's the thread for all of us to bitch about our classmates, schools, other veterinarians, or whatever. If you've got questions about what it's like to be a vet, how to get into vet school, internships, residencies, going on to grad school, or other topics, this is also the place! A brief overview of veterinary school: 1. Stress like a rodent on meth to get grades good enough to get accepted into veterinary school (2-4 years) 2. Stress like a rodent on meth and crack to get through the pre-clinical phase (while drinking like a fish) (2-3 years) 3. Skip sleep to write more damned SOAPs on clinics (1.5-2 years) 4. Graduate! (2 hours) 5. 6. Profit (I'm still working out how long it takes to get to this step)
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You forgot step 3.5: Get emotionally invested in a case and cry with the owner when it gets euthanized. Then go home and drink. A lot. Just lost a ventilator case today. Was looking okay (on the slow upswing) until it acutely decompensated - maybe a PTE, but most likely ARDS. Gallows humor time: I ran to find the clinician (the hospital cell phones blow and I had a vague idea where he was). I walk in, he looks at me, I say...  :'Hey Doc, it's bad when you go to check in on your patient and all the ICU docs are pushing buttons like mad, right?Doc:  Queue us rushing back to ICU. Edit: Somebody post some stupid vet school quotes so I can laugh.
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Mar 3, 2012 05:10
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15 weeks left, not that I've been counting (since 4th year started) or anything. Currently on path--necropsied a goat today, with a uterine tumor that involved the bladder, ureters (causing obstruction/hydronephrosis) and colon, with mets to the lung, liver, spleen, omentum, mesentery, diaphragm, and body wall. I actually like path during the day, as I learn a lot and generally am very hard to gross out, but sometimes I get these bloody dreams while I'm on path so my subconscious may feel differently.
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Mar 3, 2012 05:15
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Chaco posted:15 weeks left, not that I've been counting (since 4th year started) or anything. Currently on path--necropsied a goat today, with a uterine tumor that involved the bladder, ureters (causing obstruction/hydronephrosis) and colon, with mets to the lung, liver, spleen, omentum, mesentery, diaphragm, and body wall. I actually like path during the day, as I learn a lot and generally am very hard to gross out, but sometimes I get these bloody dreams while I'm on path so my subconscious may feel differently. This may seem like a stupid question, but was the goat euthed or die of natural causes (the tumors and metastasis)?
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Mar 3, 2012 05:23
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Chaco posted:15 weeks left, not that I've been counting (since 4th year started) or anything. Currently on path--necropsied a goat today, with a uterine tumor that involved the bladder, ureters (causing obstruction/hydronephrosis) and colon, with mets to the lung, liver, spleen, omentum, mesentery, diaphragm, and body wall. I actually like path during the day, as I learn a lot and generally am very hard to gross out, but sometimes I get these bloody dreams while I'm on path so my subconscious may feel differently. I tend to like Path too... except colic horse necropsies.  I can't get that rotting onion smell out of my nose for days.
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Mar 3, 2012 05:26
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wtftastic posted:This may seem like a stupid question, but was the goat euthed or die of natural causes (the tumors and metastasis)? She was euthanized due to the poor prognosis.
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Mar 3, 2012 05:31
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HelloSailorSign posted:I tend to like Path too... except colic horse necropsies. SO STINKY Not much makes me turn green, but colitis and necrotic colic intestines are awful. I don't know how it smells like 900 times worse than the reflux coming out of those horses, but I guess that's a blessing for me.Hmmm vet student stories. Today in urinalysis lab, one chick brought in her own pee (and offered it to us when the hospital pee samples ran out - thanks, but no thanks). Our clin path residents are cute with adorable accents, so some of the females have a difficult time restraining themselves (I always feel bad for the residents - I figure they go home and drink and tell their buddies about these desperate students). Anyways, this chick was trying to flirt with the poor guy and then made him look at her pee. All he said was "If you were a cat this would be abnormal." Resident 1, creepy vet student 0.
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Mar 3, 2012 05:48
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Can we make this a veterinary nursing thread as well? I've love to talk to people about tips with stuff like catheters, laboratory procedures, etc... or talk about sad / interesting cases. Or if that's too broad, that's okay. I'd still love to hear vet stories. For content: A Japanese veterinarian told us a zoo would donate their school animals that passed away. They dissected everything - bears to elephants. The zoo wasn't doing too well, and a lot of the animals weren't in fantastic condition. One day, the zoo sent them a lion. Only, it was still alive. They found out the hard way! Sadly, the lion was pretty emaciated.  They euthanized it and dissected it, and tried to make a lion rug out of it, but failed.And my question for veterinarians: What do you think of veterinary nurses? Tell me about your relations with them! What do you look for in a good veterinary nurse? Is there anything specific I can do to help my doctors out more? Is there anything I can do to go the extra mile? Carebear fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Mar 3, 2012 |
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Mar 3, 2012 06:32
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Enelrahc posted:Today in urinalysis lab, one chick brought in her own pee (and offered it to us when the hospital pee samples ran out - thanks, but no thanks). Our clin path residents are cute with adorable accents, so some of the females have a difficult time restraining themselves (I always feel bad for the residents - I figure they go home and drink and tell their buddies about these desperate students). Anyways, this chick was trying to flirt with the poor guy and then made him look at her pee. All he said was "If you were a cat this would be abnormal." Resident 1, creepy vet student 0. The resident on our side of the lab said that they discouraged people from bringing in their own pee, because it got a bit awkward when there was sperm in some girl's sample and she didn't know what it was and asked.
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Mar 3, 2012 08:26
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I just went back into the archives and found one of Khelmar's old threads about pathology back when he was studying for path boards. Khelmar, would you ever be willing to do that again? I remember it being so fun and cool, and now that I kind of have an idea of what I'm looking at, I see those pictures in a totally new light.
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Mar 3, 2012 08:35
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Braki posted:I just went back into the archives and found one of Khelmar's old threads about pathology back when he was studying for path boards. Khelmar, would you ever be willing to do that again? I remember it being so fun and cool, and now that I kind of have an idea of what I'm looking at, I see those pictures in a totally new light. Also that poor lion
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Mar 3, 2012 08:56
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Topoisomerase posted:The resident on our side of the lab said that they discouraged people from bringing in their own pee, because it got a bit awkward when there was sperm in some girl's sample and she didn't know what it was and asked. That would have made my year to have been there for that. Alas
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Mar 3, 2012 09:13
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Carebear posted:Can we make this a veterinary nursing thread as well? I've love to talk to people about tips with stuff like catheters, laboratory procedures, etc... or talk about sad / interesting cases. Or if that's too broad, that's okay. I'd still love to hear vet stories. I'd like this. I'm studying to be a vet nurse at the moment. Had our first proper emergency at my prac the other day. A bulldog vomited and aspirated before it was intubated. They intubated it twice and it kept coughing vomit up the ET tube. Very scary stuff. Of course because bulldogs have completely useless anatomy there was heaps of vomit stuck up behind its soft palate, down its throat etc.
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Mar 3, 2012 10:33
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Enelrahc posted:That would have made my year to have been there for that. Alas
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Mar 3, 2012 12:05
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Carebear posted:Can we make this a veterinary nursing thread as well? I've love to talk to people about tips with stuff like catheters, laboratory procedures, etc... or talk about sad / interesting cases. Or if that's too broad, that's okay. I'd still love to hear vet stories. Yeah, vet techs / nurses are welcome to participate as well! Braki posted:I just went back into the archives and found one of Khelmar's old threads about pathology back when he was studying for path boards. Khelmar, would you ever be willing to do that again? I remember it being so fun and cool, and now that I kind of have an idea of what I'm looking at, I see those pictures in a totally new light. Sure, I'll work on one this weekend. One of my favorite vet student stories was when I was a resident. A student had forgotten to check a dead foal for a cleft palate, so I said I'd hold the mouth open while she checked. While her arm was inside the mouth, I pretended to close the jaws and went "GRR!", which made her scream a lot.  Our students about a year ago had a small animal surgeon on the rotation, to fulfill a requirement for his boards. They turned to him and said, "Hey, we forgot to get gall bladder on this horse. Could you go get it for us?" The poor guy spent 20 minutes looking before the students busted out laughing. I was so proud. A few months ago, I had a student submit a mass on the labia for histopathology. The history included such gems as "This horse is lightly ridden every day. She gets a 1/2 flake of sweet clover hay twice daily, and is on Cosequin to prevent arthritis." I'm sorry, what part of "labial mass" makes you think I need to know this crap?? How about telling me how long the mass has been there instead?? Then, there's veterinarians. Getting a history form with a biopsy with "N/A" under species is always awesome. One vet who sent their biopsies to the place I did my residency always put "Please give diagnosis and prognosis" under the history section. Oh, really, that's why you're sending this? Other people put down "Please biopsy." You really don't want me to do that, since you've already sent me a chunk of tissue!
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Mar 3, 2012 14:10
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I've read from a lot of topics from studentdoctor stating that getting a CVT and applying to vet school early on is a big mistake and can make getting into vet school look bad. I am having to relocate this summer and the local community college has a vet tech program (only one in the state). I totally understand where the SD people are coming from. To most it is a big waste of time and money, and upon vet school you pretty much rank higher than CVT anyway as an intern. I thought it would be beneficial for me to apply and attempt to get in for the following reasons 1. Job security. Apparently the program is good at getting people jobs (lets hope). I will be needing to take the year off and it would be fantastic just working a full time job that will help me get animal and clinical experience for vet school, as well as open up networking. I rather do this than risk working at two fast food/retail jobs and have to stress about if the hours I work will be able to pay for everything. 2. Animal and clinical experience I am the type of person who learns hands on things extremely slowly. I think the extra boost in experience will increase my overall confidence. 3. GPA My GPA is bad right now, and am working on retaking classes I got a C in. (2.6 institution, 2.8 total yikes). I am 60% finished with my degree, with mostly science and major related classes left. I admit I didn't know how to study, ran out of time on tests when I took these classes, worked 30-35 hours a week and didn't have accommodations for my learning disabilities. I hope vet school understands. (Looking to get into Oregon State specifically). Also, how quick does one have to learn surgical knots, and do they allow people to have additional practice? I have visual-spatial problems, especially with knots. I can do them eventually, but it takes me more time.
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Mar 3, 2012 14:24
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Hooray, funny stories! (Camel erythrocytes are oval, reptile and bird are nucleated - but they still look freaking weird!) Professors have funny quotes too: Derm faculty: You have to broach the subject of fleas very carefully with clients. When you say their pet has fleas, what they're hearing is that they are icky, disgusting people who have venereal diseases. Rad faculty: Ultrasounding the thorax is like kissing your sister. You only get something out of it when there's something really wrong going on. Here's a gem from Ultrasound discussion: Student: There's a cystic mass with a central area of soft tissue. I'd recommend aspirating the fluid and the tissue if possible. Poor jaded Doc: Remember the signalment. This dog is here for a preg check. *pregnant pause* That's a puppy. Edit: Baika, at my school, when it was time to learn surgical knots, they gave us materials and then let us take several months before taking the exam showing that we could do the knots. There were several places to not only learn the knots, but steal (borrow for learning!) materials to practice at home. Also be sure to consider long term debt when entering vet school. Many of my classmates are graduating with vast sums of debt, and some with crushing amounts. Vets also don't make major bank unless you specialize (only in certain specialties as well), which takes further economic hardship. Not to scare you off of vet school or anything, just be sure to consider the money aspect as well. Or just marry rich. HelloSailorSign fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Mar 3, 2012 |
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Mar 3, 2012 15:51
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I love pulling foxtails out of dogs. So far this year there was one in the nose we got to go after with the rhinoscope and one in a nasolacrimal duct. We were discussing with the faculty how to proceed for this dog with a nasolacrimal duct obstruction that had come on acutely and been in place for a few months, and the conversation went something like this: Dr: We can try to do a contrast CT, and fish something out of there, but it's a horribly unrewarding procedure. We almost never actually find or remove the problem. Me: Why do we do it then? Dr: It's like drinking heavily and partying hard. It sounds like a great idea, until you wake up with a hangover and you tell yourself you will NEVER do that again. But, a couple weeks later, you've forgotten how terrible you felt so you do it again, with the same result. You last longer and longer in between binges, but you always go back and do it again. Fishing around in nasolacrimal ducts is like that. Me: Oh. A few hours later, we skip the imaging (to save money) and go straight to trying to pull something, anything out of this dog's face. First try, out comes this ginormous foxtail. Now I'm ruined for the rest of my career, because instead of a hangover-like sensation of failure and wasted money/time/effort I will always remember that the first time it worked.
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Mar 3, 2012 16:00
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HelloSailorSign posted:Derm faculty: You have to broach the subject of fleas very carefully with clients. When you say their pet has fleas, what they're hearing is that they are icky, disgusting people who have venereal diseases. Our parasite guy told us about a client who brought in some lice for him to look at. He said that he found them in his kid's hair and that the kid obviously got them from the dog. They were Phthirus pubis (crabs)
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Mar 3, 2012 16:23
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Asstro Van posted:Our parasite guy told us about a client who brought in some lice for him to look at. He said that he found them in his kid's hair and that the kid obviously got them from the dog. They were Phthirus pubis (crabs) That's both gross and sad.
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Mar 3, 2012 16:33
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Radiologist: A radiology report should be like a skirt. Long enough to cover everything, short enough to keep it interesting. (This didn't go over well.) Cardiologist: "What are those, reservoir-tipped condom gloves? You need to go down half a size smaller." Same surgery: "Do you masturbate with your thumbs? Get those out of there and pull the suture with your fingers!" We were always amazed that he never had a sexual harassment suit against him.
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Mar 3, 2012 17:02
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http://caspcapets.shelterbuddy.com/photos//lostfound/28284.jpg I'm just curious; what do you guys think could cause this scaring and pock marking on this dog? Mange or allergies? No details are given on the SPCA's page.
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Mar 3, 2012 17:39
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HelloSailorSign posted:(Camel erythrocytes are oval, reptile and bird are nucleated - but they still look freaking weird!) Rixatrix fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Mar 3, 2012 |
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Mar 3, 2012 18:33
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wtftastic posted:http://caspcapets.shelterbuddy.com/photos//lostfound/28284.jpg I totally want to do skin scrapes all over that dogs face and ears. I'm leaning towards parasites, maybe trauma (never know what shelter dogs have gone through).
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Mar 3, 2012 18:49
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wtftastic posted:http://caspcapets.shelterbuddy.com/photos//lostfound/28284.jpg I think it's caused by anything that disrupts the coat. It could be scabbing or scarring from all kinds of things. Without a history, it's not easy to figure out the cause. I saw a dog in for boarding that had the same pocked appearance, but it ran down his neck to his shoulder. The hair wasn't actually gone, it was just being parted by a community of big fat ticks.
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Mar 3, 2012 18:58
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HelloSailorSign posted:I totally want to do skin scrapes all over that dogs face and ears. I was thinking so too; a lot of the hounds they take in seem to have bad mange or occasionally gun shot wounds. Its just very striking and I wondered what the cause might have been.
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Mar 3, 2012 19:01
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Asstro Van posted:I think it's caused by anything that disrupts the coat. It could be scabbing or scarring from all kinds of things. Without a history, it's not easy to figure out the cause. I saw a dog in for boarding that had the same pocked appearance, but it ran down his neck to his shoulder. The hair wasn't actually gone, it was just being parted by a community of big fat ticks. TICKS ARE GROSS ohgod. Particularly when they are that numerous.
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Mar 3, 2012 19:23
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We had so many ticks here over the summer. My friend would take her dog to the dog park, then when they got home she'd pull 20+ ticks off her dog. There was a study at the time asking for tick samples because they wanted to evaluate the tick species and diseases they were possibly carrying, so they got a ton of samples! We had a virology professor literally say that if someone did not believe in evolution, they should go to the Vancouver east side or somewhere else really sketchy, shoot themselves up with a used needle, get HIV, and then watch it evolve in their bodies and try to say they didn't believe in evolution. We have a very religious Christian girl in our class who got deeply offended. We were starting the dairy cow unit in our animal production class. The prof was British, and we have another British large animal clinician, and he was talking about how clients always confuse them if they don't know their names. They ask for the British one (they're both Brits), or he's in the large animal department (both of them), or he has facial hair (they both do), and then they ask for... the big one. "Well, we're both big... in different ways  ". He actually meant that the other guy was tall and he was kinda fat, but everyone took it a different way and the class exploded in laughter. He was like, "no, no, I didn't mean it THAT way, oh god someone's going to complain about me..." Later in the day we had parasitology lab, and someone had accidentally left their animal production notes on one of the counters. On the front page, right beside the prof's name, they wrote "BIG PENIS" in huge letters.Also, this pretty much sums up all of radiology: "Do you see this area here that's slightly more opaque? ... No? Oh, it's not showing up on that screen. Oh well."
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Mar 3, 2012 20:26
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What's up vet school buddies. I'm in my first year of the four year program at the Royal Veterinary College in London. I'm a UK Citizen but an international student as I have been living in Florida the last 15 years. How do the US schools run their exams? Our final exams in June/July seem pretty horrifying. We have five days of exams. Three days are written exams that include multiple choice questions, problem solving questions, and essays. One day is an oral Integrated Structure and Function exam. You go in with two professors and they can ask you about anything and you have 6 minutes to answer as many questions as possible. It could start with identifying the olecranon on a live horse and go onto joints, muscles, innervations, blood supply, etc, or start with histology and move into immunology. You get two of those questions. It's madness. The last exam is a Spot test where you have 25 stations you rotate through every 2 minutes. At each station is a radiograph, or a dissected specimen, or a picture of histology/pathology, and you have to answer three questions about it. Every 5th station is a rest station. It's all going to be a blast? Feel free to share your uber veterinary school study techniques with me. I'm just glad I have five years of veterinary nursing work to stand on. For fun, here is an image I made while studying the other day: 
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Mar 3, 2012 21:20
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YourCreation posted:terrifying exams... Those exams sound awful. Also I thought pizzle rot in sheep was due to urine scald with high protein diet & corynebacterium infection? Perhaps it might predispose them to fly strike or be associated with it somehow though..
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Mar 3, 2012 23:17
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For anyone wondering what vet school is like, I think this is a fairly accurate account. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ictqCRakTIY
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Mar 3, 2012 23:38
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Asstro Van posted:For anyone wondering what vet school is like, I think this is a fairly accurate account. Pretty accurate, except replace the pictures at the end of family with those of pets. Or sometimes their kids with the pets. Also with or without the inclusion of "joke about how the class is >75% women." edit: I'm the girl in the beginning who never goes to class though. It's mostly because I honestly can't stand the questions people ask and it makes me lose focus if I can even focus on the lecture in the first place. Topoisomerase fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Mar 4, 2012 |
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Mar 4, 2012 00:10
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Topoisomerase posted:edit: I'm the girl in the beginning who never goes to class though. But it's so fun to sit in the back row with other like-minded back rowers, talking poo poo about people on G-chat after they ask their stupid questions... then watching them lose interest halfway through the answer and watch the Internet shopping begin! The shopping for lingerie and .50 cal rifles. No joke. I was watching a classmate go between those two webpages for 10 minutes. Or the food animal dude browsing Craigslist for the livestock ads...
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Mar 4, 2012 00:38
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Topoisomerase posted:Those exams sound awful. It appears you are right. It was something a lecturer mentioned in passing in a parasitology lecture but I wrote it down because it sounded ridiculous.
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Mar 4, 2012 00:43
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HelloSailorSign posted:But it's so fun to sit in the back row with other like-minded back rowers, talking poo poo about people on G-chat after they ask their stupid questions... then watching them lose interest halfway through the answer and watch the Internet shopping begin! A few weeks back, a lecturer asked how many people use computers to take notes or view the powerpoints during class. No one raised their hands, despite the fact that there were a good fifteen people typing away on their laptops.
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Mar 4, 2012 00:55
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We had one lecture where everyone was oddly attentive and actually answering and asking questions. The professor asked what was up, and someone pointed out that the internet wasn't working.
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Mar 4, 2012 01:16
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YourCreation posted:It appears you are right. It was something a lecturer mentioned in passing in a parasitology lecture but I wrote it down because it sounded ridiculous. production species have the best and most descriptive disease names blue bag bumblefoot wooden tongue red water blackleg etc
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Hey folks... a couple of you know me but for those who don't I'm a third year at the OVC in Guelph, Canada. I think my class has reached our breaking point - I sit at the back and the more I screenwatch, the more I see people on facebook or playing internet games and the like instead of paying attention. Then again I feel like facebook is one of the few things that makes days with 3 hours in a row of horse joint conditions bearable... (No offense to actual horsey people of course)
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Mar 4, 2012 03:42
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Topoisomerase posted:Pretty accurate, except replace the pictures at the end of family with those of pets. Or sometimes their kids with the pets. Also with or without the inclusion of "joke about how the class is >75% women." My class is 100% female.
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6-Ethyl Bearcat posted:My class is 100% female. Are the other years similar or is yours special? Ours is something like 80% female.
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