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Larva
Dec 26, 2007
Do all parasitology professors at some point in their lives smuggle an exotic species of parasite into the country in their own GI tract, or is it just a few of them?

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HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Larva posted:

Do all parasitology professors at some point in their lives smuggle an exotic species of parasite into the country in their own GI tract, or is it just a few of them?

Ours did, heh. I think it's a rite of passage for them.

Topoisomerase
Apr 12, 2007

CULTURE OF VICIOUSNESS

HelloSailorSign posted:

Are the other years similar or is yours special?

Ours is something like 80% female.

I think she's in a tech program.

Carebear
Apr 16, 2003

If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno you will won't.

Larva posted:

Do all parasitology professors at some point in their lives smuggle an exotic species of parasite into the country in their own GI tract, or is it just a few of them?

I had a entomology prof in undergrad (wildlife studies) smuggle a parasite in as well, but not in his GI tract. The larva was burrowed in his hand, and instead of removing it, he took it with him home so he let it grow to see what it was, or something like that.

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

Asstro Van posted:

For anyone wondering what vet school is like, I think this is a fairly accurate account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ictqCRakTIY

I feel like it misses out on having that one person who always asks annoying questions that no one cares about. I hate that person, especially as she sits right in front of me and screams "QWESCHUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!" to get the prof's attention. Also the person who rephrases what the prof just said to be able to try and sound smart, but then the prof just goes "....that's what I just said" which always makes me giggle.

6-Ethyl Bearcat
Apr 27, 2008

Go out

HelloSailorSign posted:

Are the other years similar or is yours special?

Ours is something like 80% female.

The certification here for Vet Nursing is only a year so I'm not sure about the previous years. I heard in the states it's something like three years?

We have a few people in the class who have already been working as vet nurses. Also one girl from Columbia who is a qualified vet, but it costs about $30k to get registered here if you qualified overseas, so she's doing vet nursing to save up the money.

Carebear
Apr 16, 2003

If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno you will won't.

6-Ethyl Bearcat posted:

The certification here for Vet Nursing is only a year so I'm not sure about the previous years. I heard in the states it's something like three years?

We have a few people in the class who have already been working as vet nurses. Also one girl from Columbia who is a qualified vet, but it costs about $30k to get registered here if you qualified overseas, so she's doing vet nursing to save up the money.

Only a year? In the states you can get either a 2 or 4 year degree in veterinary technology (2-year degree, you are a veterinary technician, and 4-year degree you are a veterinary technologist. I prefer the term veterinary nurse. The associates takes a lot of people 3 years because its pretty common for people to go into veterinary nursing later in life, so they're in school while working, or have kids. Then you take the national exam, and become a RVT/LVT/CVT depending upon the state.

There's a kennel assistant at my hospital getting a BS in Veterinary Technology, then he plans to go to vet school after. He's a really great kid, so I hope everything works out for him.

Carebear fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Aug 8, 2012

6-Ethyl Bearcat
Apr 27, 2008

Go out
Interesting! Here it is a one year course that is pretty much a full-time job. I have three full days and three half days of classes per week, including one day of work experience in a vet clinic. It would be only two half days except I'm also doing a Saturday class which runs for the year and gives me a low-level certification in dog training and behaviour. This allows you to practice as a Registered Veterinary Nurse, so you can do simple surgeries under the guidance of a vet, some dental work, bandaging wounds, giving health care advice, etc.

You can then undertake another year of study to specialise in a particular area, out of radiology, emergency and critical care, or surgery. You need to be employed in a vet clinic to do one of these diplomas and none of the colleges in my state offer them so I'd have to do it by correspondence. One of my lecturers has her diploma in emergency and says it's well worth it.

I'm not sure what the difference is between the qualifications. As far as I know, a RVN from Australia can work as a qualified vet nurse overseas. In fact we have a few international students who came here to study specifically because the course in shorter.

One of our textbooks is written for US vet techs which is interesting. :)

PutinOnTheRitz
Oct 25, 2010

Solis posted:

Hey folks... a couple of you know me but for those who don't I'm a third year at the OVC in Guelph, Canada.

Hello, new best friend.

3rd year Zoo major at Guelph. I'm trying to apply to the OVC at the end of the year, but my professors have other ideas. I have all of my pre-req's out of the way and I'm moderately satisfied with those marks. What I'm worried about is the "2 full semester" average. My first semester wasn't so hot (80% overall), but this semester I have one class which is totally screwing me over for ever hoping of getting my average high enough to apply.

Basically, what do you suggest I put more effort into to secure a better shot at getting in? I'm spending all summer studying for the MCAT, I've worked at 3 clinics and gotten my letters, even got one from a guelph prof. I've got volunteer experience with small animals, farm animals, large exotics and I'm about to go work with an elephant reserve over the summer. My marks just... aren't exceptional. Should I bail on this semester, dropping the useless course and hope 4th year is easier? Keep trucking and maybe hope for the best with a year average of <80%? What do they really consider "most important" when looking at an application?

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.
"Starter topics" for conversation:

1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?

Topoisomerase
Apr 12, 2007

CULTURE OF VICIOUSNESS

Khelmar posted:

"Starter topics" for conversation:

1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?

I got in after 2 times. I got an interview both times but the first time I thought I sucked so obv the interviewers did too. The second time I was baller and I got in. I only got an interview because I have a real high GRE score and UCDavis weights the GRE and GPA equally. My undergrad GPA sucked nuts. I continue to give not a single poo poo about grades. At my interview we talked about hockey and my Masters research, and then I told them that the school would be lucky to have me as an alumni and then I walked out and nearly poo poo myself thinking "holy gently caress I didn't actually say that did I?" but it must have worked.

I hate 90% of the classes. Real bad. I knew I would though. Most of my classmates kind of annoy me but in a pinch I could work with the majority of them. I'm older than the average student, but there are others in my class that are as well (enelrahc is about the same age as me ok actually a little older). I would never want to start over with undergrad in a million years. gently caress that poo poo.

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

Topoisomerase posted:

(enelrahc is about the same age as me ok actually a little older).
WOW IT'S FOUR MONTHS.

Get off my lawn.
E:

Khelmar posted:

"Starter topics" for conversation:

1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?
1. I got in first try. I have a pretty strange background (I actually have an MSME from a top tier engineering school and worked in the automotive and medical device industries for a good while), but it was apparently desirable enough. I did have to go back and do part of a post-bacc to fulfill prereqs, so I did that at a local school. I applied to 6 schools, got in to 4, waitlisted to 1, and UPenn didn't interview me. My GPA was pretty good, my GRE was good, and I had lots of experiences I guarantee no one else had on their application.

2. I actually have no idea, but since topoisomerase already answered it and seems to know what she's talking about, I'll go with whatever she said.

3. There are two basic kinds of interviews: the open file and the behavioral. I did both with different schools. I hate the behavioral ones, I don't mind the open file. I got questions about the career change mostly, and then the run of the mill ones about ethics and such. I prepared with the sdn interview questions bank, which worked out well for me.

4. I have a difficult time working with a lot of the people in vet school. I am not a very patient person with certain types of people, and I know that I struggle with dealing with that. My anatomy group was one of the worst experiences of my life. They couldn't have picked worse people to partner me with, but I made it work in a way for me in the end, so whatevs.

5. More biochem. I was definitely at a disadvantage the first year as I didn't have a lot of the preparation the bio majors had had. It's pretty even keel now, but my class rank suffered for it. And yes, grades are dumb, but sadly for the very competitive residencies (which is my current intention, although I'm not sure how feasible it is) the programs care about overall class rank, so we'll see how that ends up. I think that judging us on our 4th year performance and internship performance would be a better metric, but I don't make those decisions.

6. I don't know that I'd change anything. My choices made me the person I am today, and I'm proud of all that I have done. I'll probably never be rich, but whatever, I made a lot of money as an engineer and I was miserable. I'm happier now.

Enelrahc fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Mar 6, 2012

Solis
Feb 2, 2011

Now you can take this knowledge and turn it into part of yourself.

PutinOnTheRitz posted:

Hello, new best friend.
Basically, what do you suggest I put more effort into to secure a better shot at getting in? I'm spending all summer studying for the MCAT, I've worked at 3 clinics and gotten my letters, even got one from a guelph prof. I've got volunteer experience with small animals, farm animals, large exotics and I'm about to go work with an elephant reserve over the summer. My marks just... aren't exceptional. Should I bail on this semester, dropping the useless course and hope 4th year is easier? Keep trucking and maybe hope for the best with a year average of <80%? What do they really consider "most important" when looking at an application?

I'm not sure how much I can really help you with that stuff... They've revamped the admissions process somewhat, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Just looking at the admission averages from the last little while there still is hope for sure even if you're sub-80%, but it definitely means you're going to have to shine with your reference letters and experience. It sounds like you've got quite a bit of valuable experience, too, so that should at least help quite a bit. They don't lie when they say the BIF is half of what gets you in, marks aren't everything by a long shot.

If you're seriously considering tanking the semester though, be really careful. Because of the application process, if you're applying after 4th year, this semester WILL count, as will your first semester of fourth year (unfortunately)... but dropping a course this semester means they're going to use your 1st semester of this year average in lieu of it and any courses you take this semester will not count for any purposes at all. I actually applied from Mac and got very lucky because 2 of my semesters got dropped, but they contained courses I didn't need to get accepted. If the semester I took Cell Bio for instance had been discounted, I would have been hosed and they don't like granting special consideration at all.

So yeah, I don't really have a lot of advice beyond weighing your options carefully. If you're just getting destroyed this semester by fluke courses and there's nothing special it could well be worth it to just drop an elective and write it off. Just make sure you do the math carefully and take into account the OVC's myriad stupid regulations for what you can and can't do in a semester. If it comes down to it though, don't gently caress over your degree just to put a polish on your OVC application. Your worst case scenario is you have to reapply and they look only at your fourth year. One girl in my class was on her last shot at applying and managed to get in, it's not the end of the world if you don't make it first time around.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Khelmar posted:

"Starter topics" for conversation:

1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?

1: One. I applied without an undergrad degree to UC Davis, and that was that - I later received a degree in Veterinary Science (or something like that) from the Vet School. I had been working on an Animal Science degree, and had a lot of classes with food animals as opposed to small animals.

2: No idea. I had good grades and GRE score, as well as one of the faculty as one of my letters of recommendation. I may have also gotten a verbal recommendation from someone at UC Davis, but I don't know how far that went.

3: I was asked if I thought my youth/lack of degree would be an asset or a liability. I was also asked - in detail - on how to do an ultrasonographic pregnancy check on a cat, including what probe type to use and why, what to look for, and the basics of scanning. I had about two years experience in the Small Animal Radiology Department at UC Davis, specifically in ultrasound, so it made sense. The woman asking had also seen me there on several occasions, so I guess it was seeing if I actually bothered to pay attention.

4: Students that always complain that they're failing, that they'll never become vets, etc., when they're actually doing fine... or on the other side the ones that preen themselves too much and try to make everyone else look bad by talking over people in rounds or trying to become BFFs with the residents/faculty whilst being dicks to their classmates.
That's different from the occasional panic about a test or an evaluation - it's the people that ALWAYS think that something horrible is happening.
Employees (read: ward techs) that try to avoid work by saying 'You need the experience because you're gonna be the doctor' and walking off or simply refusing to do things while they're watching lolcats on youtube.

5: There's nothing that I think I would need to know before starting. I knew the work load was tough going in (having worked with several years of 4th year students, I had heard a lot), so I felt like I was well prepared for the hit. It still sucked, but I knew it was gonna happen.
I guess the only thing that could be useful was to know about how much potential class drama there would be. I had never thought that it could get WORSE than high school with the whole 'who's sleeping with whom' or 'who's cheating on whom' BS - not to mention the academic drama.

6: I would try and take classes on anatomy. That was my weak spot starting out.

Ceridwen
Dec 11, 2004
Of course... If the Jell-O gets moldy, the whole thing should be set aflame.

HelloSailorSign posted:

6: I would try and take classes on anatomy. That was my weak spot starting out.

As someone who spent 3 years teaching comparative anatomy lab, there was never anything funnier than having pre-vet and pre-med students tell me they weren't gonna need to know this stuff.

Yes, I'm 100% sure that cat anatomy is never going to come up while your in vet school! That makes total sense!

Baika
Jul 8, 2011

Cap on, apply directly to the rats head.
For all those who have gotten in and if you can remember, what were some of the curve ball questions thrown at you?

Dr. Chaco
Mar 30, 2005
I had one interviewer ask me why I got a C in a biochem class in undergrad. That was fun. Other than that, there were questions about ethics (Old couple wants to euthanize their rambunctious golden retriever puppy, what do you do? Same couple, doesn't want to euthanize their ancient suffering dog, what do you do?). Really, though, half of the interview was talking about my recent trip to Thailand and Ultimate frisbee.

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!

Khelmar posted:

"Starter topics" for conversation:
1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

Two. I applied to three schools the first time and 13 the second.

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

I am not sure to be honest. I had worked as a veterinary nurse for five years prior and also had a background in research and customer service, so perhaps that helped or perhaps it didn't.

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

I interviewed with the Royal Veterinary College. I was interviewed by a radiologist from their teaching hospital and an endocrinologist/lecturer who is now one of my lecturers. When I walked in and sat down they had my personal statement sitting infront of them with annotations and that made me excited/nervous. The majority of my interview consisted of them asking me questions about my personal interview, ranging from clarifications to where I came up with certain opinions or statements. They then went on to ask me ethical questions and hypotheticals. They gave me an offer at the interview and I about poo poo myself.

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

The amount of work required in things that I have no interest in. I understand that I need a knowledge of everything from microbiology and genetics to reproductive physiology to be a great veterinarian, but it does not mean I have to like it.

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

The amount of work truly required and how to engage my brain while studying. When I am active doing things like dissections or practicals my brain is very active making connections and asking/answering connections, but I just can't seem to get that same level of engagement while studying. I am getting better, but I am certainly not at the level I would like to be at. There really is 2+ hours of work required for every hour of lecture, and that's just to start.

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?

I would have stayed single, spent more time with my fraternity brothers, and enjoyed college more. Yes I did research and learned a lot, but hell you only get to do college once. I also would have taken comparative anatomy A LOT later in my college career and powered through the basics (chem/bio) earlier and faster than I did. I would also would have liked to take a critical thinking class.

Travic
May 27, 2007

Getting nowhere fast
Let me see how many quotes I can scare up.

Necropsy rotation
Professor: "The only way to fail this rotation is to miss a lesion or stab me with a necropsy knife."

Every professor:
"You'll notice this fluid/tissue looks like cottage cheese/tomato soup/pudding/etc."

Surgery
"What is the good thing about this surgery? It's pimpin'. What's bad about this surgery? Pimpin' ain't easy."

Study session
:eng101:"What is the best treatment for this condition?
:confused:"Full dog transplant."

There are sooo many more I can't think of.

Crooked Booty
Apr 2, 2009
arrr

Khelmar posted:

"Starter topics" for conversation:

1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?
1. One. I only applied to my in-state school because tuition is less than half of what it would be at almost any other school.

2. They have a points system. It's something like 40% GPA, 30% GRE, 30% experience/letters/essays/everything else. The whole system is pretty transparent, which is nice. And if you get rejected, they'll basically tell you exactly how many points you got in every category so you can best figure out how to improve for the next year.

3. We did MMI or "multiple mini interviews." You rotate through stations. You have several minutes to read a scenario, then you enter the room and talk to 2 interviewers about it for something like 6-10 minutes, then move to the next station. All the scenarios are pretty focused on ethics, current events in veterinary medicine, etc. It was pretty terrifying going into it, but the actual process was pretty painless. And if you bomb a station or draw a huge blank, you get to just move on, and the next interviewers won't have any idea that you put your foot in your mouth only moments before!

4. Everyone else has pretty much covered it. A lot of classes are boring. A lot of classmates are annoying as gently caress. Being in class eight hours a day isn't very fun. Being expected to go home and study for several hours after being in class for 8 hours is even worse.

5. I don't think I really had a concept of the sheer volume of material, even after having been warned a million times. You can't really appreciate how overwhelming it can be until you're doing it.

6. I wouldn't have started undergrad at a ridiculously expensive private university. I ended up taking most of my prerequisites at a really cheap state school with a mediocre reputation, and it prepared me just fine for vet school.

PutinOnTheRitz
Oct 25, 2010

Solis posted:

I'm not sure how much I can really help you with that stuff... They've revamped the admissions process somewhat, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Just looking at the admission averages from the last little while there still is hope for sure even if you're sub-80%, but it definitely means you're going to have to shine with your reference letters and experience. It sounds like you've got quite a bit of valuable experience, too, so that should at least help quite a bit. They don't lie when they say the BIF is half of what gets you in, marks aren't everything by a long shot.

If you're seriously considering tanking the semester though, be really careful. Because of the application process, if you're applying after 4th year, this semester WILL count, as will your first semester of fourth year (unfortunately)... but dropping a course this semester means they're going to use your 1st semester of this year average in lieu of it and any courses you take this semester will not count for any purposes at all. I actually applied from Mac and got very lucky because 2 of my semesters got dropped, but they contained courses I didn't need to get accepted. If the semester I took Cell Bio for instance had been discounted, I would have been hosed and they don't like granting special consideration at all.

So yeah, I don't really have a lot of advice beyond weighing your options carefully. If you're just getting destroyed this semester by fluke courses and there's nothing special it could well be worth it to just drop an elective and write it off. Just make sure you do the math carefully and take into account the OVC's myriad stupid regulations for what you can and can't do in a semester. If it comes down to it though, don't gently caress over your degree just to put a polish on your OVC application. Your worst case scenario is you have to reapply and they look only at your fourth year. One girl in my class was on her last shot at applying and managed to get in, it's not the end of the world if you don't make it first time around.

I was going to apply at the end of second year but the guidance councilor conveniently neglected to mention that while 4 courses a semester counts as a "full courseload" at GUELPH, it doesn't count as full for the OVC. Thanks rear end in a top hat, you wasted my whole year.

Because I was a retard in first year and failed 2 courses, coupled with dropping one in 2nd year, I'm not going to graduate on time as it is unless I take some summer courses. So I'm not worried about loving over my degree- that's already not going entirely as planned. I don't really care if it takes me >4 years though... I'd rather graduate with a better GPA and better hopes of either vet school or grad school somewhere.

Thanks for the reply- I'll just keep trucking and continue to be stubborn while hoping for the best.

Asstro Van
Apr 15, 2007

Always check your blind spots before backing that thang up.
I got in on the first try. I applied to three, WI was a longshot and I got interviews at the other two. My school has an earlier application/acceptance cycle, so I knew that I got in before the other called to schedule an interview. Since I was already in at my top choice, I let the second know that they could give the interview to someone else.

I'm not sure about the details of the weighting, but when I spoke with an admissions counselor she said that if your GRE and GPA are above a certain level you pretty much get an automatic interview. [brag]I got 800 on the math section of the GRE, so she said I had no worries.[/brag]

The interview went really well, despite being a nervous wreck. They asked me what I thought the biggest upcoming challenge or issue would be for vets and I said all of the impending legislation, which sparked a conversation about declawing, which led to a big spiel about communicating with clients. They were grinning at that point, since I can get a little fanatical about educating and working with clients.

I am glad that all of us agree that our classmates are the worst part. It boggles my mind that so many of them have zero empathy or are completely closed off to new ideas. Last year was an endless stream of drama in my personal life, culminating in surgery to have suspected cancer removed. I mentioned being nervous about the upcoming surgery to my equine dissection group and one responded with, "Well yeah but I am really worried about this final." :shepface: My patience for bitching about studying wore out then and there.

I had so many warnings about the level of work involved, it didn't really occur to me that every other aspect of my life could go to pot until I was in the thick of it. The academics felt like the easy part, you sort of know what to expect even if it is difficult, I really wish I had been more prepared for everything else. I guess my advice for everyone else would be to make sure you know what you would do if the worst started happening, working on coping mechanisms and knowing who you can count on.

I was pretty satisfied with how undergrad went, though I wish my college hadn't been in upheaval. My organic chemistry professor was mysteriously fired because of some weird board decision, partway through the class. With him gone, the remainder of that class and my biochem class were taught by a physical chemist who picked our text because it came with premade powerpoints and exams. He tried his best, but I wish I had a better chemistry education.

Topoisomerase
Apr 12, 2007

CULTURE OF VICIOUSNESS

Baika posted:

For all those who have gotten in and if you can remember, what were some of the curve ball questions thrown at you?

I honestly didn't get anything that was unexpected, except I guess in my first interview they asked me about a recent lunar event or something really off the wall at the end. (there was an eclipse a week beforehand or something)

Otherwise it was pretty standard questions about how I worked with others and what I did for fun and some questions about my research and why a DVM since I'm interested in research, etc.

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

Baika posted:

For all those who have gotten in and if you can remember, what were some of the curve ball questions thrown at you?

"If you were to redesign a cow milking machine to be able to test levels of different substances in the milk, how would you do it?" I knew nothing about cattle, milking machines, or milk components (still don't, really).

Solis
Feb 2, 2011

Now you can take this knowledge and turn it into part of yourself.

Khelmar posted:

1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?

I got in first shot, lucky me. At the time OVC was doing something like 40/40/20 grades/background/MCAT... I had good grades partly by fluke and a solid MCAT so I got in pretty well even if my vet background was a little shaky (I'd only really started gunning for it in 2nd year of undergrad.)

I've actually been on both sides of the interview divide! My year was the final year the OVC did 2 faculty:1 applicant interviews, then they moved to MMIs, where they've got faculty and students interviewing applicants. For my own interview, the questions were very heavily research based when it came to the veterinary stuff, because given my degree that's really what I knew about. I only really remember one off the wall question, and I think they were looking to stump me because I still haven't a clue what the answer is. It was 'given the current regulatory and political environment, what role do you think the veterinarian has to play in helping make pharmaceuticals more accessible and affordable for people?'
Other than that we mostly talked about fencing (I did 4 years on my school's varsity team). I can't talk a whole lot about the other side of the fence though, unfortunately; we signed confidentiality agreements with respect to assessment.

Of all the downsides of vet school I hate the internal politicking with a passion. It happens in the class (It really is just like high school), between different classes, between the professors and between the school and the professors. Sometimes I feel like what's best for the students gets lost with all the faculty going 'I want to see things done THIS way.'

I wish I'd known exactly how much work it all is. Everyone warned me but I just feel like you can't really know till you go through with it exactly how little of a life you get to have sometimes because you need to spend every weekend frantically cramming for next Monday's midterm.

All in all though, I don't think I'd change what I did. I arguably took the more difficult road - instead of going through my school's vaunted pre-med program, I decided I wanted a practical degree with much more hands-on work so I took a plain old B. Sc instead and it got me where I wanted to go. Through that though, I learned a lot and I don't regret it one bit... hell it actually got me a job for a summer when I was financially struggling. My average wasn't the greatest because of what I did (They pad the pre-med averages to hell and back, god forbid someone coming out of that program has less than an 85 average) but I feel I learned more about the real world anyway. The only thing I'd probably change would be that I'd have tried to convince my mom to let me get a dog... I had like no experience with dogs up till second year undergrad!

Solis
Feb 2, 2011

Now you can take this knowledge and turn it into part of yourself.
On an unrelated note One of the biggest suppliers of injectable generics is closing down temporarily (could be months to years). These guys are one of the biggest suppliers of common vet drugs like hydromorphone, diazepam, fentanyl, glycopyrrolate and naloxone, to name a few of the big ones. Has anyone else here been affected by this? The OVC is already starting to stockpile some of these drugs so our Jr. Surgery protocols are getting worked over pretty thoroughly to avoid their use.

Braki
Aug 9, 2006

Happy birthday!

Khelmar posted:

"Starter topics" for conversation:

1. How many tries did it take you to get in?

2. What weight did your school place on different components of the application?

3. Did you interview? What were the questions like?

4. What do you like LEAST about vet school?

5. What do you wish you would have known before starting?

6. If you could start over with undergrad, what would you do differently?

1. One! I applied in my fourth year of undergrad.

2. Canada has a regional quota system, but lucky me being in Alberta, I got to apply to two schools. WCVM ranks grades at 60% (although I believe they rank your best GPA with a full 5-course load over your cumulative GPA), interview at 30%, references and other circumstances at 10%. At the time I applied to UCVM, I think it was... interview 45%, grades 30%, essay 20%, references 5%. I think out of grades, half was your pre-req GPA and half was your best two 4-course load years.

3. UCVM was MMI, similar to Crooked Booty. Half the day was spent in MMI, half the day was spent writing the essay. WCVM was a 3-person panel; 2 from the school and 1 from the province of which you were a resident. Asked typical questions like why I wanted to be a vet, what would I do in this ethical situation, questions about the CVMA and provincial VMA, etc. There were a couple questions that I found weird, like, "do you think vets have to love animals" and also, "my dad was a realtor like your mom and when I was sitting in that chair, an interviewer asked me this question so I'm going to ask you: do you think realtors are necessary?" With a follow-up of, "do you think vets are necessary?"

4. Ugh, the never-ending exams. Holy crap sometimes I wish I could just have some free time to myself without feeling guilty because I should be studying or getting something else done. Always a test, always have to study, all the time.

5. I thought that since WCVM was always toted as a really good school that all the profs would be awesome. Granted, a lot of the profs are awesome, but there are a few who are pretty terrible. Just because it's a professional school at a higher level of education does not mean the teachers will all be great; there are terrible teachers at every school no matter what.

6. I don't know what I would change. Maybe I would be more social and get out a bit more, make some more friends or something.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Oh, here's something I've really not liked about vet school.

People not knowing/caring about e-mail etiquette.

Things like...
1) Hitting reply all and telling everyone your availability for the next few wetlabs.
2) Hitting reply all or using the class list serve as a personal soap box.

Asstro Van
Apr 15, 2007

Always check your blind spots before backing that thang up.

HelloSailorSign posted:

Oh, here's something I've really not liked about vet school.

People not knowing/caring about e-mail etiquette.

Things like...
1) Hitting reply all and telling everyone your availability for the next few wetlabs.
2) Hitting reply all or using the class list serve as a personal soap box.

My favorite so far was the girl who decided to email the entire school about the dog that she raised from a puppy but now needs to sell because it's fugly and she wants the room for a new show quality one.

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.

Travic posted:

Professor: "The only way to fail this rotation is to miss a lesion or stab me with a necropsy knife."

"You'll notice this fluid/tissue looks like cottage cheese/tomato soup/pudding/etc."

I tell students that the most important thing on the rotation is to not make me do paperwork. Stabbing yourself makes me do paperwork. If you stab me, I stab back.

I also tell students, "I don't start hose fights. I finish them."

The second phrase there was NOT uttered by a pathologist; we hate food terms. :)

When I was in school, there was no automatic logout, so we used to get e-mails from random people saying they were selling their books to drop out and become monks.

Carebear
Apr 16, 2003

If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno you will won't.

Solis posted:

On an unrelated note One of the biggest suppliers of injectable generics is closing down temporarily (could be months to years). These guys are one of the biggest suppliers of common vet drugs like hydromorphone, diazepam, fentanyl, glycopyrrolate and naloxone, to name a few of the big ones. Has anyone else here been affected by this? The OVC is already starting to stockpile some of these drugs so our Jr. Surgery protocols are getting worked over pretty thoroughly to avoid their use.

I never actually read the article on the issue, just knew there was a problem with getting diazepam.

We had a staff meeting about this - had to dramatically change our surgery protocols. Now, only male feline neuters get Buprenorphine upon surgery check-in, and the rest are presedated later on, instead of just being knocked down with ket/val. We needed a bigger space inside surgery to watch the animals that had premeds, so a bunch of stuff in the surgical suite ended up being moved around. Not only that, but because of the extra time presedating takes up, we are doing less surgeries every day.

Solis
Feb 2, 2011

Now you can take this knowledge and turn it into part of yourself.
... Are you saying your practice doesn't normally premed?

Carebear
Apr 16, 2003

If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno you will won't.

Solis posted:

... Are you saying your practice doesn't normally premed?

Yup. We're a low cost shelter/hospital, so for whatever reason (cost?) that was their procedure. Animals previously got bup upon surgery check in (and that was only added last year), and then they were knocked down with ket/val and maintained with iso. The only animals they would premed would be hyper/aggressive/big ones. Many dentals and some older patients were knocked down with propofol.

I personally think the change to premed should have been done a LONG time ago. I've only worked in the veterinary field for 3 years (and mostly as a kennel tech) so I am still learning a lot every day.. but coming from the nursing perspective - animals are waking up a HELL of a lot nicer now. Before, there was a lot more thrashing and screaming. I remember my first time seeing a dog waking up from anesthesia 3 years ago, scared the poo poo out of me. When I worked in the kennels I remember always being so anxious about the patients, had to roll up towels around them to keep them from hurting themselves. They would sometimes wake up so horribly I would have to hold their head to stop them from repeatedly banging it against the cage.

Carebear fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Mar 7, 2012

Rixatrix
Aug 5, 2006

Khelmar posted:

The second phrase there was NOT uttered by a pathologist; we hate food terms. :)
Why? I remember food came up a lot in dissections and autopsies back in uni.

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!

Carebear posted:

Yup. We're a low cost shelter/hospital, so for whatever reason (cost?) that was their procedure.

Morphine and Hydromorphone cost next to nothing, while Buprenorphine is quite expensive. You could be hitting everything (that is healthy) that comes in the door with Hydromorphone as a sole pre-med and have great results.

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.

Rixatrix posted:

Why? I remember food came up a lot in dissections and autopsies back in uni.

They're imprecise - "grapefruit-sized" doesn't tell you how big the grapefruit is. Also, if all you can do is compare things to food, it suggests you have a limited vocabulary.

Some terms, like "nutmeg liver" or "caseous discharge" are so entrenched that they're still used.

It's better to say "30mL of viscous, pink fluid" rather than "tomato soup like".

Rixatrix
Aug 5, 2006

Khelmar posted:

It's better to say "30mL of viscous, pink fluid" rather than "tomato soup like".
Oh, ok like that, sure. The first thing that sprang to my mind were the unofficial conversations between colleagues or techs and Drs or students and teachers, which I always found to be full of food terms when it comes to pathology.

Braki
Aug 9, 2006

Happy birthday!
Pathology quote: "I never really understood what they meant by 'staghorn' uroliths. It turns out, they look... like the horns of a stag."

I don't think I get as much classroom drama as you guys. I mean I'm sure there is some but it doesn't really get spread around a lot. I don't typically get dumb class emails either. I guess I'm lucky!

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

"I don't remember whether it's strep or staph that is gram negative."

"That's the femororadial joint." "...what?" "Oh sorry, I meant the radiopatellar joint." "...."

"...and that's why you need to be aware of the danger of a thromboembolism to the aortic bifurcation in cats."
"Question - Why haven't you addressed saddle thrombus in this lecture? Isn't it relevant as well?"

I also submit the following phrase I may have emailed to topoisomerase the other day. I should probably get counseling.

"One of these days I'm going to oval office punch *stupid idiot vet student* so hard her whiny bobble head will fly off."

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Carebear
Apr 16, 2003

If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno you will won't.

YourCreation posted:

Morphine and Hydromorphone cost next to nothing, while Buprenorphine is quite expensive. You could be hitting everything (that is healthy) that comes in the door with Hydromorphone as a sole pre-med and have great results.

I have absolutely no idea why that was their procedure. I really don't know enough about that kind of stuff. All I know is that the changes that were made were great changes, and I just know that based upon taking care of the animals as they wake up from surgery. :)

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