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I don't have a particularly deep investment in the Star Trek franchise. I was never a huge fan and when I revisit the old stuff I am mostly struck by how corny and dumb it all is. I just think that if there is one thing that actually made the Star Trek franchise stand out at all it was those moments when it did aim to be a bit more cerebral and philosophical. If you are going to bother to remake or update the series I'd rather see a new variation on those themes. Sure, do something new with them, but don't completely ditch the one part of Star Trek that actually makes it distinctive. I'm reasonably confident that these films will never leave a cultural mark comparable to the originals because TOS or Next Gen were at least distinctive and striving to do something slightly unusual. The new ones are so derivative that they are barely distinguishable from Force Awakens or Guardians of the Galaxy or any of those other dull action sci-fi films of the last few years.
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Helsing posted:I don't have a particularly deep investment in the Star Trek franchise. I was never a huge fan and when I revisit the old stuff I am mostly struck by how corny and dumb it all is. I just think that if there is one thing that actually made the Star Trek franchise stand out at all it was those moments when it did aim to be a bit more cerebral and philosophical. If you are going to bother to remake or update the series I'd rather see a new variation on those themes. Sure, do something new with them, but don't completely ditch the one part of Star Trek that actually makes it distinctive. drat, this is exactly how I've felt about the new movies (Star Trek, Star Wars, and Guardians), but I wasn't smart enough to articulate those thoughts. Love me some OG Trek though.
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Jul 12, 2016 23:44
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Helsing posted:I don't have a particularly deep investment in the Star Trek franchise. I was never a huge fan and when I revisit the old stuff I am mostly struck by how corny and dumb it all is. I just think that if there is one thing that actually made the Star Trek franchise stand out at all it was those moments when it did aim to be a bit more cerebral and philosophical. If you are going to bother to remake or update the series I'd rather see a new variation on those themes. Sure, do something new with them, but don't completely ditch the one part of Star Trek that actually makes it distinctive. As much as I like (for lack of a better term) "thinky-er" action movies, I honestly don't need the Star Blank movies to be like that. If a movie has good action and is thought provoking, I will discover it and enjoy it regardless. My tenuous connection to an established property doesn't add anything for me. If a franchise movie is smart, cool beans, but it's not gaining bonus points for having Jedis or Ferengi (or superheroes for that matter). Of course, like most movies, these franchise movies are often stupid. Frankly, at this point, it may be too much to ask for them to not be stupid. I would settle for them just not being dull.
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Jul 13, 2016 01:06
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Helsing posted:I don't have a particularly deep investment in the Star Trek franchise. I was never a huge fan and when I revisit the old stuff I am mostly struck by how corny and dumb it all is. I just think that if there is one thing that actually made the Star Trek franchise stand out at all it was those moments when it did aim to be a bit more cerebral and philosophical. If you are going to bother to remake or update the series I'd rather see a new variation on those themes. Sure, do something new with them, but don't completely ditch the one part of Star Trek that actually makes it distinctive. So, what did you think of Beyond?
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Jul 13, 2016 12:52
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For what it's worth, the few impressions that have started to make it out there seem to be pretty positive ones.
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Jul 14, 2016 12:48
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I'm quite honestly very optimistic about this movie, moreso than Into Darkness (which I liked). Seems like the closest thing we're going to get to a good movie in the spirit of an episode of TOS, almost moreso than the original movies. I remember Roberto Orci saying the script for the movie he wanted to direct was going to be more cerebral and sciencey. I don't know if this means he was gonna double down on the crazy conspiracy poo poo, but I'm going to trust that Justin Lin can pull of something that isn't too mindless and still has smart questions to ask.
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Jul 14, 2016 16:19
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Cnut the Great posted:They should just have Kirk come out as bi. The dude is down to gently caress aliens, but you're telling me he isn't down to gently caress males who are at least of the same species? Come on. How do you think bisexual people would feel about seeing a character identified as bisexual merely because "well of course he'll gently caress anything because he's so down to gently caress, dogg!" It's kinda implying that being bisexual means you're promiscuous by nature.
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Jul 14, 2016 17:39
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:How do you think bisexual people would feel about seeing a character identified as bisexual merely because "well of course he'll gently caress anything because he's so down to gently caress, dogg!" It's kinda implying that being bisexual means you're promiscuous by nature. I remember similar reasons for why Kirk couldn't be non-white. At a point it just becomes "yes, there are issues but representation is more important, especially from a main character ".
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Jul 14, 2016 19:17
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:How do you think bisexual people would feel about seeing a character identified as bisexual merely because "well of course he'll gently caress anything because he's so down to gently caress, dogg!" It's kinda implying that being bisexual means you're promiscuous by nature. Hmmm I don' t know, looks like I have a lot of soul-searching to do.
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Jul 14, 2016 19:21
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Helsing posted:I don't have a particularly deep investment in the Star Trek franchise. I was never a huge fan and when I revisit the old stuff I am mostly struck by how corny and dumb it all is. I just think that if there is one thing that actually made the Star Trek franchise stand out at all it was those moments when it did aim to be a bit more cerebral and philosophical. If you are going to bother to remake or update the series I'd rather see a new variation on those themes. Sure, do something new with them, but don't completely ditch the one part of Star Trek that actually makes it distinctive. I still think of myself as a Star Trek fan, and as a kid I was totally engrossed in the books, knowing things like the TNG Tech Manual inside out. It wasn't until recently however that I realised I don't really care about the show. I haven't seen all the episodes of any of the series. It's the fact that it was a coherent, promising, thoughtful universe that drew me in.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:17
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Apollodorus posted:I like the notion of Sulu as a Japanese guy who is obsessed with Western culture and will not shut up about his Euraboo hobbies. 
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Jul 15, 2016 21:18
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computer parts posted:I remember similar reasons for why Kirk couldn't be non-white. Similar in what way? Cnut basically said "yo Kirk likes to gently caress so much, they should make him bi", I pointed out "hey maybe bisexuals wouldn't appreciate being stereotyped as promiscuous, that seems like a bad reason to make him bisexual". What racial stereotypes have been used as an argument for making Kirk non-white? I'm struggling to think of what would apply.
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Jul 18, 2016 05:22
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Similar in what way? Cnut basically said "yo Kirk likes to gently caress so much, they should make him bi", I pointed out "hey maybe bisexuals wouldn't appreciate being stereotyped as promiscuous, that seems like a bad reason to make him bisexual". What racial stereotypes have been used as an argument for making Kirk non-white? I'm struggling to think of what would apply. Specifically, Kirk couldn't be Hispanic because of how "hot blooded" he is.
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Jul 18, 2016 13:03
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Reviews seem to be flowing in now... noticed a few on youtube and rottentomatoes is filling up. Looks to be mostly positive.
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Jul 20, 2016 05:35
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lizardman posted:I was the guy who started this thread three years ago (!) so I feel kind of obligated to start a new one ahead of Star Trek Beyond's release. Might be a day or two, though. Stay tuned!  Like a shiny new Enterprise-A, we now have a new thread!http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3783808 "My friends, we've come home."
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Jul 20, 2016 16:10
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