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Helsing posted:At this point I think I'd be impressed if they just managed to not make the next movie another boring revenge plot. Bonus points if the movie passes the Bechdel test. ST is about 0.) three men who're, like, Bros, shooting the poo poo. In space. On a vaguely feminine space ship. The rest is paraphernalia.
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Snak posted:Put a gay character on the bridge, and have a Muslim science officer Deservedly so. A middle eastern guy however? Surely. Or an Indian woman. Or a bald dude ... Adding to the general theme ITT right now: TNG started a terrible trend, perfected in ENT, where humans were the bestest at everything. All Data could ever strive for was being a real human, human morals are the best, humans win all wars, and basically, for all the claims of Vulcans being perfectly rational, all throughout ENT, they were actually completely driven by passions, and violent ones, too, and all their "rationality" stick manifested itself in absolutely nothing but ridiculous arrogance. T'Pol being a bit of an exception, but the higher-up a Vulcan was, the more he was a violent maniac. STII was probably the strongest in the series in that regard, with Spock's utilitarian sacrifice. And I actually like STIII for driving the point home; sure, putting the needs of one above those of the group, if the group willingly chooses so, is irrational in the sense of not being utilitarian, but well, maybe we humans simply happen to not be utilitarians and that's okay. It was making a point about being human that wasn't "(white, male) humans are the best".
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May 6, 2015 20:01
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Snak posted:Except that it's not, and that's a stupid attitude to have when the show is really about addressing issues in the present. Trek is full of religions, like Klingon, Bajoran, Ferengi, and Dominion religions. And even humans in Etarfleet have religions, like Chakotay. Vulcan philosophy exhibits elements of ascetic spiritualism and rituals similar some Earth religions. Also, Spock blows up God.
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May 6, 2015 22:28
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"Star Trek shows cracks in the liberal utopia" is probably the most conventional thing I've ever seen SMG write. It's, like - d'uh. That's so obvious, even the writers themselves knew it, and they sometimes even intentionally made that point.
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May 9, 2015 13:35
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I'm eagerly waiting for supermechagodzillas review of the movie, due next week or so. Unironically.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:03
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How did Into Darkness "end spaceships"? Also, the worst thing about Into Darkness was by far the title. The rest was mostly decent.
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Dec 14, 2015 22:50
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I wonder what the PC issue will be this time? "Let's cast a Korean to replace a Japanese guy", "Let's cast a British guy to replace a Mexican/Singh"/Alice Eve in underpants, ..-?
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Dec 14, 2015 22:51
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Supercar Gautier posted:Into Darkness had interplanetary teleportation.
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Dec 14, 2015 22:53
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Pops Mgee posted:I know it's not the point of Star Trek but I'm super mad that it looks like the Enterprise is going to get it's rear end kicked yet again. I just want to see it shoot stuff and blow up another ship okay? This is supposed to be the flagship of starfleet and everyone has made it look like a chump.
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Dec 14, 2015 23:45
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Timby posted:The Enterprise gets its poo poo kicked in in two of the movies generally regarded to be among the better entries in the franchise.
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Dec 14, 2015 23:58
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Harime Nui posted:You know what'd be a good Star Trek III, set it 80 years after Into Darkness and be like yeah, the Federation and Klingon Empire totally went to war and poo poo's completely hosed---the galaxy is like a demilitarized zone, Federation society's turned militaristic and is run by Section 31 douchebags, large swathes of the galaxy have been wiped out etc. etc. and open it with a familiar character from the TNG era---probably Data would be best----and have him go back in time not to undo Into Darkness but to stop the Khitomer Accords from being sabotaged or something, there you'd have a movie. You could even cold open it with Kirk & crew getting wiped out in some battle in the opening scene and cut to 80 YEARS LATER w/e, as a sop to the people who really really want to see the new cast die for some reason.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:52
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I don't get the tone. On one hand, damage to the Enterprise/similar ships has so far been portrayed as absolutely horrifying in the series - people being sucked into the vacuum in the first scene of the reboot etc. So this should be a serious movie, with the Enterprise going town like that and probably hundreds of good people dying. On the other hand, BEASTIE BOYS and a script by Pegg..?
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Dec 15, 2015 19:22
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MikeJF posted:On an adjusted-ticket-price-inflation metric, Trek '09 is top, but that's followed by TMP in second, Voyage Home, Into Darkness, Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and then First Contact. The TNG movies just weren't a cultural thing the way the TOS movies were. But you can pretty safely say that the first four TOS movies were all mainstream success. Yes, even TMP. Not a reboot hater, I think they're fine.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:25
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Drink-Mix Man posted:--Klingons and the bird of prey. Not necessarily the old complaint that the Enterprise got "punked" by a little ship, but when I watch the movies sequentially it's like "These guys and this ship AGAIN?" The last four movies involved Klingons and this little bird-shaped ship. I was like, come on, we're supposed to be introducing the fancy new generation and you're still recycling models and costumes from 1984.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:02
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Mitchicon posted:I thought Bird of Preys punched above their weight because they're a dedicated warship, unlike the Enterprise. Kind of like the Defiant. It really worked for most of them, too. But then, with the Enterprise-D, maybe you finally want somebody else to dance with her.
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Dec 23, 2015 03:21
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Hunch: Star Trek movies are usually worse than their premise. Star Wars is the reverse: a stupid idea, executed really well.
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Dec 28, 2015 22:10
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The last half of ENT is pretty good.
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Dec 29, 2015 03:34
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Snak posted:Spock's logic is always portrayed as wrong. I don't know how else to interpret that. All of Spock's best scenes are of him losing it and becoming violent.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:25
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Snak posted:Yes, that comment was referring to JJTrek. Spock's character pre-JJTrek was about finding the balance between logic and emotion, but not rejecting logic at all.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:08
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WarLocke posted:DS9 Worf is almost an entirely different character than TNG Worf, to be fair.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:15
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MikeJF posted:One of the core themes of TOS and its movies was always that the two must find a stable balance on every level.
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Snak posted:Except that it's actually not. Average humans are very dumb and can't think logically at all. Even in the Trek universe. This is why every week, they go to some planet where people are doing something dumb. MikeJF posted:Not really. McCoy is a pretty average human, and too far on the emotional side. Kirk is balance, but Kirk is considered an exceptional person. And even so, he's nowhere near as strong a person without Spock there to logic him. Okay I guess this is again more a TNG thing. Although still - Kirk does not so much resemble a human beyond humanity, but a human ideal. The best human is better than the best Vulcan or Klingon or Romulan (or, later, android) would be.
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