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It's great because it's one of those "everyone is an idiot" situations. Argentina could have requested an exemption to the quarantine that had already been offered to them. Brazil could have done something at any point in the past 3 days, since it was well known enough that it was being reported on for a while. Instead, they chose to do something after the game had already started.
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hello i am phone posted:According to AFA , they filled immigration papers stating the players came from England and they say even with that they are excempt because every confederation agreed to keep sanitary bubbles to minimize risks. Even if it wasn't the case, the sanitary authorities could denied entry to Brazil to those 4 players or made them leave the country in any of the 3 days since or when the team entered the stadium. For me it looks like the sanitary agency wanted to make a show out of this. I mean, what the confederations agreed to is irrelevant since ANVISA is a federal government agency. ANVISA has been claiming that the Argentinean players lied on the form about having been in England in the last 14 days since at least yesterday. There are no good guys in this story. If I were a gambling person, my bet is that what happened is this: AFA didn't want to deal with quarantine, some CBF and CONMEBOL dipshits told them "just put whatever, no one is going to check, and if they do it will be after the game." But someone did check, and so Argentina went "well, stop me" and Bolsonaro saw this as a way to stick one to Globo (who owns the broadcasting rights and is in a feud with Bolsonaro) so they decided to only detain the players last minute to gently caress with Globo programing. Redczar posted:Massive points deductions for both teams imho World cup ban, imo.
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Ever since they had moved to the single game final, CONMEBOL had been lucky that they had mostly had marquee big teams from Brazil and Argentina involved. Today's was Sudamericana's final, with two medium teams from Brazil playing. Here's the crowd:  Keep in mind that it's that empty not because of covid precautions. In fact, they moved people to that side of the stadium so it would look not so empty on TV.
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Nov 21, 2021 07:18
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What a loving game. Time to get wasted.
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So on Cruzeiro deathwatch news, here's the latest. Recently, Brazil passed a law that allowed clubs to be publicly traded. For most of Brazilian history, Brazilian teams were literal clubs, non-profit organizations where people could become members, vote for the president, etc. So with this new law, a club can convert into a publicly traded company that has owners rather than members, and instead of one member one vote, it's by stock shares and all that stuff. So Cruzeiro has become the first club to apply for that. Cruzeiro Esporte Clube is now Cruzeiro Esporte Clube Sociedade Anonima do Futebol. Essentially a for profit corporation that can be sold for an owner. Now, they don't have any buyers lined up. They are still deeply in debt. And they have just finished their second straight year in the second division in 14th, meaning they will be playing for a third year there. In fact, in the 2 years they played the second division, they did not get to the top 4 even temporarily. It's been 2 years where relegation to the 3rd division was a bigger risk than promotion to the 1st. So what is their hope here? Well, so far they are the only team in Brazil to have gotten this new status. Meaning that they are the only Brazilian team for sale right now. So the hope is that this will make some Middle Eastern sheik dying to get into Brazilian football overlook at the messy financial stuff and just got for it. Risky, but at this point they don't have much to lose. They still have a transfer ban, so right now they can't even sign people for next season, they are in the process of selling their headquarters, and the club leadership is working out of one of those shared workspaces that you rent, like wework or one of those things.
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No. Theoretically, as least, Cruzeiro can't get rid of its debt by this conversion. I don't have much of any insight on the backroom dealing that went into this. But I think it is probably the result of the same processes that are happening everywhere, of billionaires making teams their pet projects, except in Brazil they couldn't just buy the team, and are still at the mercy of internal politics. Most of the competitive teams in Brazil for the past decade (including my own favorite Atletico Mineiro) have essentially relied on massive cash infusions from billionaires. Which is also why Brazilian teams have taken off and will probably dominate south america for a long time. More billionaires in Brazil.
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Dec 8, 2021 22:00
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In Brazil, most of the teams already will have a company or set of "investors" that are politically strong. Being able to "own" over 50% of a club would just make their life "easier." Because these clubs in Brazil are frequently also literal clubs, with recreating areas, swimming pools, etc. And so there are a set of members who vote based on that rather than the football part. So now the people putting in the money want the possibility of owning clubs outright. So Atletico Mineiro, for example, is deeply associated with the biggest construction firm in Brazil, MRV, who are building a stadium for Atletico. If Atletico ever went on "sale" they obviously would be the first ones to bid. Palmeiras is the same wih Crefisa, a payday loan company. Flamengo probably wouldn't go on sale, because so much of their money comes from political venues (their biggest sponsor of the Bank of the Federal District). The remarkable thing about cruzeiro is not that they've done it. Is that they've done it without literally anyone lining up before hand. It is up for sale without a single buyer having demonstrated interested. But they are so desperate that there's not much of an alternative.
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Yeah, the crazy thing is that in terms of payroll Gremio was essentially tied with Atletico, and if you had asked me who was going to have a better season between Hulk and Douglas Costa, I would have bet on the latter.
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Fat Ronaldo is the Cruzeiro buyer. I believe he also owns real Valladolid?
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Dec 18, 2021 17:27
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Looks like Turco Mohamed is the new head coach at Atletico. Any of our Liga MX posters still active in this forum? Any opinions?
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Reviving this thread to post that the thing that we had discussed a few years ago, but the parity in Brazilian soccer being destroyed, is becoming true https://www.uol.com.br/esporte/fute...o-no-top-50.htm I know it's in Portuguese, but it has a world ranking of most expensive team payrolls in the world, converted to the Brazilian currency. Atletico Mineiro won the Brasileirao last year and Palmeiras won the libertadores the last 2 based on teams that a billionaire investor assembled, but even they can't keep up with Flamengo spending now. The Flamengo payroll this year is almost twice as large as the 2nd most expensive team (467 million to 260 million reais). So for the first time in history it is quite possible that the same team will win all national and international competitions on the same year. On Libertadores, Flamengo won the away game yesterday against Velez 4-0. In the Brazilian cup semi-final, they won the away game against Sao Paulo 3-1. And while flamengo had a slow start of the year, the summer transfer window allowed them to spend so much that even their reserves are getting close to winning it. Flamengo was at one point 13 points behind Palmeiras, and has now closed the gap to 7, winning 10 of the last 12 despite playing with reserves most of the time. Meanwhile, the Palmeiras team that this season is their main competition is disintegrating in plain sight because they have to play with their main team in every competition just to keep up.
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Raising this from the dead: Boca making it to the libertadores final without winning a single game in the knock out stages because their goal keeper has saved 12 out of 23 pks.
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