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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:Welp, time to join ANTIFA Any time is a good time! https://www.google.com/search?q=antifa+uk
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Skeleton Jelly posted:Nah, it's not anything like that. There's probably a lot more English immigration to Australia than to Finland. The reason why the name is in English is apparently some kind of attempt at international fascist solidarity. It's largely based on the idea of EDL, they communicate a lot with the EDL I can tell it's the same thing with the Danish Defense League. Right radicals here are even worse at uniting than trots, and so there are five Danish leagues now because of people problems. When the DDL announced their big "international march" in Århus, everything was planned and done by the EDL, the DDL only contributed a member who announced the gathering to the police. Then he was thrown in jail. For trying to use a stun gun on a bouncer. With friends like those..
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Jun 25, 2012 21:21
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Would it seriously, though? I mean, the Defense Leagues are one tenth of their original strength as it is, and that is primarily because their members are batshit retarded and act out in public? I fail to see how one attempt to attack their gatherings would mean a resurgent boom in membership.
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Jul 10, 2012 16:52
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Congratulations to Bristol for running the fascists out. However, this:Pope Guilty posted:Hahahaha, the old antifa saying is true: there is no such thing as a fascist march, only a cop march with a fash auxiliary. ..is privilege, just so you know. Fascist marches run in the thousands all over most of Europe, and if any cops are needed, it's to help the fash beat the poo poo out of bystanders and counter-demonstrators. This kind of spectacle is actually the exception rather than the rule outside northern Europe. An0 posted:If you've got them, could you link pictures of this pretty please? EDL are so funny Second this, it'd make my day 
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Jul 31, 2012 20:29
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In theory, meat should be butchered by Dhabihah to be halal. This means that you say an islamic prayer, though I would think many muslims will accept kosher meats on the grounds that the important part is the merciful execution of the slaughter in question, not so much if if every single animal is blessed by the butcher.
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Aug 27, 2012 14:15
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LP97S posted:Likewise, those who wish to make it an issue believe that a prayer is uttered each time an animal is slaughtered and is part of the secret Islamic Super-Allah Shock takeover of America, like noted racist and listed source in Anders Breivik's manifesto 2083: A European Declaration of Independence Pamela Geller believes. Ugh, don't get me started. I live in Denmark, and the upstanding citizens Breivik got a large part of his "ideological" capstone from, are uneducated haters on an olympic level. duck monster posted:Apparently there was some IDF folks throwing the theory around of having pork fat through busses to deter muslims from suiciding. I'm sure the local rabbi was face-palming like loving crazy when he heard that, because the prohibition is identical in both faiths (and neither faiths feature a bonkers god who will send his martyrs to hell because some darstardly infidel put some pig on the body.) Why am I not suprised at DL loons having the same fetishes as Freerepublic.com?
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Aug 28, 2012 14:50
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I am happy to report that the EDL meet in Stockholm in the beginning of August was soundly blockaded by 1000 antifa, unionists and other anti-racists. It seems the last of their attempts to gather in Scandinavia at present.ChaosSamusX posted:He loving killed children! What the gently caress?! If I encountered someone like this in real life, I have no idea what would hold me back from trying to purge them. How do you European saints do it? We prevent them from assembling and harassing or killing others as their views may dictate - and give them a thrashing if they work by violent means. Humiliating them, confronting their views and denying them the street is the most effective way of showing opposition - they believe in initiating violence against others as a means of government, we shouldn't sink to their level except in self-defense. What is happening at the protests against the various EDL is self-defense, not only for ourselves but for our society.
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Sep 4, 2012 18:43
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Baracula posted:Poor Jack Parow To be fair, I could see fascist assholes deporting him for being too queer-looking.
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Sep 8, 2012 09:05
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:That seems oddly close to the skinhead slogan "your skin is your uniform." It's "The color of your skin is your uniform in war", and please don't do me and the 99% of skinheads who don't believe in that sort of neo-nazi garbage like that, thanks.
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Sep 9, 2012 15:35
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British Tim posted:I depends on what you mean by dealing with them, the EDL are no worse than MAC, SWP, UAF etc...Idiots trying to use their position of authority to push their own political agenda. No, that is objectively wrong. EDL are much worse because they promote fascism, an ideology known only to work by violence, terror and authoritarianism, whereas the UAF promotes understanding and self-defense against fascism. SWP is another bag of cats, but I doubt anyone here thinks SWP is hot poo poo.
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Sep 9, 2012 17:45
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If that was serious, you should explain why. I doubt a book fair will spontanously stop to attack fascists in another part of town - not that I'd mind if they did.
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Sep 11, 2012 14:19
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Ah, gotcha. London geography is not my strong suit 
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Sep 11, 2012 16:01
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Affi posted:This entire thread has been drat interesting and funny. I wish something similar would materialize about Swedish racist parties and such. It can if you want it enough, I guess? There's bound to be some swedish antifa around, otherwise I know one.
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Sep 26, 2012 11:01
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KayTee posted:pics of skinheads spurting claret. That is dumb, don't do it when calling them fascists are more accurate. The majority of skinheads are not racists.
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Sep 30, 2012 20:34
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KayTee posted:Fair point. I was, of course, refering to the hairstyle, not the movement. No harm done. I'm not much for "neo-nazi skinheads" either - It's just that the term ought to refer to the subculture as a whole, not people who shave their heads (Gandhi was not much of a skinhead, for instance), and fash "skins" usually subscribe to no part of the style save some trappings of hair and wear, which really gets the rest of us pissed. It's a colossal derail, sorry, just thought I'd explain the rather pedantic comment 
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Oct 1, 2012 09:36
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Affi posted:Well where does swedish antifa gather nowadays? They had a semi updated homepage with names and pictures and stuff but its gone now. Honestly, I don't know, though I could ask around. It's my impression that antifa work in their own political organizations (revolutionäre Fronten, SUF, Första Linjan etc.), and then Antifascistisk Aktion coordinates larger counter-protests and blockades when necessary.
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Oct 10, 2012 21:46
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 They are called boneheads because they're not real skins - I can't find words for the kind of loving cheek it takes to claim membership of a counterculture that is by definition multicultural and multiracial, as a nazi or EDL sympathizer
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Oct 12, 2012 13:32
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Why couldn't he just order a regular passport? Is there any merit to the idea that a western nation would deny him entrance?
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Oct 23, 2012 11:19
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So the US denied him entry for wanting to attend a gig with Pam? Good on them, I guess, I just thought Gellar and her revisionist pals were kosher upstanding people in the US these days - I guess Tommy is much too frothing and unintelligent to come across as housebroken as Gellar, though.
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Oct 23, 2012 13:56
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Sly Pistachio posted:This thread reminds me of something I've been pondering: are there any liberal anti-Islamic groups like this? I'm with what can safely be termed the far left, and we've opposed both the EDL when they tried to invade and were shown the door, and people like Bilal Phillips (proponent of executing homosexuals). We've had quite the row when doing counter-protests against radical islam groups, simply because we've appeared part of the general anti-islam sentiment that exists in our country. First protest of it's kind, the social democratic and socialist groups refused to deny entry to radical right critics, and so people were coming to the show and screaming for the "arab scum to get out of arr country". Now, I'm not liberal as much as I'm an anarchist communist strongly skeptical of liberalism, but I believe your question was more on when a member of the left becomes a protestor - and the answer is, roughly, when they preach hate. One can argue that all moderate religion is oppressive and such, but I personally cannot see the harm in personal spirituality, whatever form that may take. When a church or preacher starts telling other, unwilling, members of society how to live, that's when we got a problem. In practice, there's a lot less people willing to counter-protest non-christian groups and preachers, whether through ignorance, white leftist guilt or what have you, and that means I and like-minded only mount protests when the heavy hitters or Hizb-Ut-Tahrir (Danish Wa'habist group) show up.
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Oct 25, 2012 11:15
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Fandyien posted:Does the EDL hate the BBC? I thought they had a boner for all things British, like the NHS/BBC/etc etc. Also just wanna add that I love this thread and your posts Kaytee, it's a source of constant amusement/interest for me. I don't think it's more complicated than the fact that BBC is not retarded racist shitwizards. They might be brits, but they're no true scotsmen.
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Oct 26, 2012 18:23
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Also, (at least here in Denmark) when racist and borderline fascist parties get elected, the violent street nazis reap where they sow. If it's okay to say some horrible things about immigrants in the mainstream media, and still get elected, EDL-like groups (and worse) will be encouraged and get more members.
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I definitely agree. The Danish Defense League attracted not only white power hooligans but a lot of other poor football fans who needed somewhere to vent. Fortunately most of them jetted when the rest of the country shamed and beat them out of Århus, but that doesn't change the reasons they signed up.
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Allan Assiduity posted:As a reminder, the EDL/BNP are around all over the UK later today; there'll be minimal coverage in the news, of course, but get involved all the same. Last I heard there were both Cardiff and Swansea DLs, and they would fight each other more often than anyone else on account of football rivalry 
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Jun 3, 2013 11:46
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Hoping to see them humiliated in Cardiff tomorrow.
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It's just hearsay, and I'm all the way across the pond (to Jutland!). Very glad to stand corrected, as things are 
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The hell with these retards, can't they stick to killing themselves in churches? 
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mfcrocker posted:It's got to be tempting to hold an anti-SWP protest. Hijack that, mates. I don't know, if anyone is able to do it, it's probably them. Here in Denmark we actually had to have dedicated IS (Danish branch of the SWP) 'guards' to explain to them that their loving prefab signs and newspapers were not welcome at protests.
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Jun 7, 2013 14:27
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Spacedad posted:Yes because escalating vigilante violence rather than pushing for stronger police protection against violent fascist groups always works out so well. Actually, increasing police 'protection' in society as an antifascist measure is a horribly contraproductive idea. Even in nations where police aren't infiltrated by some degree by the exremist right (nearly nowhere), the police is used as a tool of political control, and more priority is given to harassing the mainstream anti-parlamentarian left wing than the fascists. At least, this has more and more been the case in northern europe in the last 10-20 years, after state media and politicians have succesfully pushed the angle that antifascism and fascism is equally bad, two gang-like organizations that only want to destroy society. Also, please stop it with the loving skinhead cracks. It's a subculture based on interracial friendship, and the first skins were black - Please use two loving seconds on wikipedia before you spout off, saying that sort of thing can be detrimental to your health off-screen.
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Well, good then. Anti-fascists don't seek out and kill their political enemies, fascists do. That's why we oppose them. And I've had many friends seriously injured by fascist violence, and have had myself and my family outed on their websites as a target for attack - and that was back when I was only criticizing them on the internet, mind you. Those who don't practice what they preach are the liberals, who let state violence protect them and give no shits about who else gets brutalized in the process.
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Spacedad posted:For me it's the point where self defense stops being self defense and is pretty much just assault. It goes that direction somewhere around when the idea that you should engage in 'preemptive self defense' starts being suggested. Now you're just trolling. Make another thread and/or piss off.
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Spacedad posted:Did you even read the article? It's about some people who were so angry at the EDL they were planning to bomb them. I was reiterating the poster's point that there is definitely a cutoff distinction between self-defense and violence, and wanted to point out that wrongheaded rationalization can lead to something as stupid as thinking a bomb would be a great idea to fight against bigotry with. I know the story, but I don't really understand it's relevance to the point you are trying to make here. Of course there is a difference, but militant resistance must be a part of said self-defense, or the fascists will keep brutalizing and killing immigrants, left-wingers, antifascists, lbgt people etc. etc - these people do not understand peaceful dialogue, and if and when they do, that is what they are met with by antifascists. Adolf Hitler himself said that the only way the rise of the German nazi party could have been prevented was if "its enemies had recognised it for what it was right at the start, and had smashed it in its infancy with utmost force." E: I format gud
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No objections there. Fascism is organized offensive violence, that kind of terror lies outside the scope of antifascism, and it indeed the provenance of that we fight. What I'd like to put forth, is that there aren't really any antifascist groups that A) seek out fascists at home or on the job and harass them, B) attack people just for having a fascist opinion and not acting on it or C) kill people outside of self-defense. The guys who planted that bomb were mentally ill, and anyone bringing the plan to their local antifascist group would get a stern talking to, at the very least.
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Jun 10, 2013 14:44
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"Militant" may have changed meaning where you are, but to me it just means doing what you have to do, outside of the law where necessary, to get where you want to be. In my nation, fascists beat up and even disable people every month where they are strong. Militant resistance, up to and including violent assault, is the only thing that helps, since the police and politicians either don't care about the problem, or implicitly support it.
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Jun 10, 2013 14:53
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Jun 10, 2013 20:41
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It seems to only be used against trot/leninist AFA groups who meet and make decisions in absolute secret, removing democratic franchise from the antifascists they recruit to actions. I can't say I approve, but if it's just dogwhistle for "pee pee poo poo antifascism dumb", then gently caress it.
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Jun 10, 2013 20:48
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I think it's the fear that antifascists may take it a step further and start being violent against the police and capitalists, or in any other way pose a threat to liberal democracy. I don't really feel the need to explain why this is retarded, but the gist of it is that antifascists don't believe in using violent terror to get our ideas across - militancy is a means, not an end.
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Spacedad, you need to re-read your post history in this thread. Whenever we say defending against fascist violence is necessary you say "oh my, yes, of course, I agree", and then when we say that this defense involves violent or illegal acts, you turn around and complain that you're against it. Which is it? Flip flop like this much longer, and I don't really care to debate with you. ..And don't bring up the police. They have fascists in their ranks, who help surveil and harass political opponents. They're just another gang of the thugs you seem to be so afraid of.
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Jun 11, 2013 11:39
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Spacedad posted:You mean you really can't tell the difference between assault and self-defense? Everyone is entitled to self-defense - but when five grown men on steroids and cocaine stomps kids into the ground with boots on, that right doesn't mean a lot. If you don't understand that meaningful self-defense on behalf of our communities mean organizing to disrupt and remove the fascists from our streets, then enjoy it when they come for you.
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Spacedad posted:So say, if a dozen or so young adult males were to pound on an old man at a rally, then you'd be fully in favor of members of that old man's group roaming around looking for people in the group that attacked him to assault, right? Not if they'd run off, identification is important. Also, we're in the business of (violently if needed) blocking their marches and meetings, not finding and assaulting them afterwards - this plays into their poor aryan martyr complexes. quote:Also, I'm not buying the excuse of not trusting the police. That's when you work like gently caress to change the police through political action (actual political action, not beating people up) or build a trusted relationship with them. Institutional change isn't going to happen unless you fight for it - and again, by 'fight' I don't mean beating people up. That is because you've never participated in any state-critical activism at all, I'd wager. Here the fascists seriously injure or disable someone nearly every month, and in spite of it being reported, no one gives a poo poo. However, protest in favor of climate change solutions or to shut down the banks, the police maim citizens out of hand, and the state media-fueled witch hunt on "dangerous extremists" quell all chance to have a sensible discussion about it. Oh, and we finally got an independent court to review complaints about police brutality. Guess how much things have improved? Now, 2% instead of 0.5% of complaints about brutality lead to convictions, often with nothing more than a slap on the wrist to follow. This is all in Denmark, mind you, but if it is anything like this in the rest of the world, police are rabid thugs, nothing else.
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I'm sure you mean well, spacedead, but if antifascism "means so much to you", you should be more humble. There are several veterans in the thread, and it's not as if we really want to beat up people for the hell of it.
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