English Defence League: the (white) pride of the UK

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Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Spiderfist Island posted:

I remember reading that the BNP has a direct lineage back to the BUF. Is that true or are they an original group like how unrelated animals on different continents move into the same niche and evolve to look similar?

I dont think thats true. It has direct lineage back to the National Front of the 1960 (the BNP founder John Tyndal was a prominent member, as was Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons- they left the NF in the 80s because they didnt agree that the best way forwward was to use politics to advance the cause of Nationalism).

# ¿ May 9, 2012 07:34

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 17:04

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MotoMind posted:

It would have been nice if the OP used the words "English Defence League" to make the topic more accessible to foreign audiences.

WHy would he want to do that? England for the English. No surrender!

# ¿ May 9, 2012 07:35

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The BNP as formed by Tyndall in 82 is not the same organisation as the the 1960s
incarnation. They didnt splinter in to the NF they merged iirc. But yeah your history is pretty spot on as I understand it.

# ¿ May 9, 2012 11:36

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http://libcom.org/blog/fascists-launch-failed-attack-liverpool-picket-line-10052012

quote:

Fascists in Liverpool have today continued with their anti-working class agenda by attempting to attack workers striking over pensions at a picket line in Bootle.

At around 15.30, five instantly recognisable boneheads from the Infidels of Britain, Combined Ex Forces, and the National Front arrived at the picket, directly outside the HMRC office. The immediately started pushing people, calling everyone present, �paedophiles�, �lesbians;, �traitors�, �communists�, and �work-shy cunts�.

Their presence was not a coincidence as they had been posting online earlier in the day that they would be turning up at the picket with the intention of targeting well-known local trade unionists.

A police CCTV unit has been present all day and called for more officers to arrive. One member of the Combined Ex Forces (Paul James) was arrested, as he refused to stop calling every single person on the picket, �paedophiles�. His acolytes were then sent on their way.

This is the latest in a long line disgusting behaviour by fascists on Merseyside. Within the last year, they lined the route at the November 30th pension march and abused strikers, they have, attacked people at the occupy camp, attacked people at a Palestine Solidarity event, attempted to occupy the UNITE union offices, attacked SWP paper sales, made countless threatening calls to local trade unionists, visited the News from Nowhere bookshop on many occasions, threatening the staff, and urinating on the books. They even assaulted a heavily pregnant big issue seller directly outside the bookshop, pushing her to the floor and spraying her in the face with paint.

nothing new here, but more evidence that the EDL and their like do not represent working class interests.

# ¿ May 12, 2012 18:41

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Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the UK due to the rigid separation of our church and state.

This is what the National Culturalists believe,

Remember they are all about 17 judging by their biogs on that site.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2012 14:38

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Orange Devil posted:

That is quite a spectacular failing of your education system.

They also think that NO2EU are a right wing nationalist party, so...

# ¿ Jul 7, 2012 20:01

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Fluo posted:

Yep been prepping all week!

I will be there. Not sure where I will be Fluo or who I am with, but if I get a chance I will give you a shout. Ive been winding Mickey Bayliss (leader of Bristol EDL division- all 15 of them) up a treat on Facebook all week. Hes already offered me out for a fight on Saturday, bless him.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2012 18:57

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mfcrocker posted:

What's this Rebel EDL poo poo? Can't imagine why the gently caress they'd want to go to Stokes Croft, I'd have thought they're in actual danger of getting their faces smashed in there.

Its pure football firm mentality. Most of these guys are ex football hooligans and hangers on who cant afford to go to footy now or are banned. Its all about 'doing one in your manner'. Same mentality that sees a firm turn up in a rivals 'manor', be hopelessly outnumbered and then brag who they 'did one'. Bristol is a target because the Antifa groups here are well known as well organised, large in number and able to handle themselves. They also attend other EDL rallys in the UK to offer their support so this is all about the EDL showing them up in their own patch. Its pathetic.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2012 19:01

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EDl thoroughly humiliated in Bristol. No more 250 of them, they were herded and outnumbered by police at least 2 to 1, and got to do their little march pretty much, and saying this with not a hint of exaggeration, without coming to the attention of ayone. The cops had planned them a route that took them through a short walk through the biggets back water on the edge of central Bristol. Even for those of us (about 1000 or so by most estimates) of protestors who were desperately trying to confront them on the main march/rally, we only got a glimpse of them acrss a river for a couple of minutes.

Most of the action happened in the morning before they assembled- Antifa groups ran attacks on them as they elft the train station and it ended with the EDL cornered in a pub before the Police kettled it for the EDLs safety. Talking to a lot of Antifa after, the EDL were not really up for a fight and kept running.

Same thing happened after the demo, Antifa lay in wait on their trip back to the station and coach park (2 coaches and a minibus pretty much!) and attemped to attack them with little result due to the police protecting them.

Seems a smaller element of EDL (probably locals) ended up in a bar on one of the backstreets and were attacked by Antifa with poles and bricks, and took a beating, and again had to be rescued by the cops.

All in all a slightly disappointing day as the cops (who had been drafted in from Leicester, Wales and Greater Manchester) were really on the ball and had the measure of both sides. But most importantly it was clear to the EDL that Bristol is not the city for them.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2012 09:50

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Its not totally untrue though KayTee. I had hoped for a bigger turnout, but it was also due to it being scattered. There was huge problems around the original We Are Bristol organised rally, which saw the cops trying to annoucne it having a new venue the evening before despite the organisers not agreeing, and they put a Section 14 on the original meet up point, which dodnt stop anyone turning up but it meant it got a bit seperated as some people started to march at the set time and others stayed put to resist the cops and the Section 14. Plus when we got kettled people started drifting off (it was a 3 sided kettle)when they realised the main counter demo had no chance of getting anywhere near the EDL or even seeing them.
There were lots of smaller groups of Antifa out and about throughout the day getting in the EDLs faces as best as they could but the sheer number of cops was astounding. Never seen anything like it.
However they certainly weren't better organised or supported, but the counter protest could have been done much better, it was piss poorly organised.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2012 12:09

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Filboid Studge posted:

It's a bit lovely seeing so much taxpayers' money being spent on protecting fascists from the social consequences of the things they say and do.

Estimates are upwards of half a million for yesterday and I can believe it. Ive never seen so many cops and every side road that led to the square they were congregating and marching on was barricaded off with 9ft tall huge steel barriers like something out of a sci fi film.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2012 14:17

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Vice magazine have done an article on the Bristol demo.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/edl-fascists-antifa-police-lgbt-bristol-gay-pride

The videos of the EDL are hilarious and terrible all at once.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2012 19:56

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ekuNNN posted:

Is that a black guy on the left there, carrying the EDL banner? That must be uncomfortable, being black and EDL.

They had a transgender person give a speech and carry the banner on Saturday. She made a heartbreaking post on Bristol Indymedia about how the EDL are the only people who support her.

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/709833?&condense_comments=false#comment56473

# ¿ Jul 16, 2012 22:01

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

I cant read/

# ¿ Jul 31, 2012 21:24

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Lamuella posted:

According to various antifa groups, there was a huge reaction in Waltham forest of people telling the EDL to gently caress off:

http://www.schnews.org.uk/stories/DEATH-KNELL-FOR-THE-EDL/

http://socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=29463

oh, and lying sack of twats Nick Griffin suggested that muslamics were burning cars in Walthamstow:

https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/241998914172116992

To be fair (well not really gently caress him) Griffin is just repeating what senior EDL members like Mickey Bayliss (Bristol leader and total fuckwit)were posting on Facebook during the demo. They were making all sorts of claims that they were being attacked by the police and huge gangs of Muslims, and that there was a full scale riot with Muslims burning cars, buildings etc. Its quite impressive that Mickey and co were able to update their Facebook pages while under the sort of attack they were claiming to be under...

http://twitpic.com/aq25o4

they have then carried on this narrative after the event and their members are lapping it up and claiming the reason that there are no media reports about it is not to do with the fact that it didnt actually happen, but that the Muslims and the Left run the media.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2012 07:35

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Ignore the lovely troll. He will be banned this time around following his trolling in the South African miners thread.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2012 18:02

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Yes he would. He also supports apartheid so...

# ¿ Sep 9, 2012 18:38

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British Tim posted:

How are we an accepting multi-cultural society when the core definition of a society is a group of people who share common core moral values like not oppressing women...

I stopped reading there.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2012 19:23

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

You should keep going, he mentions sharia immediately after it. Because that's a legitimate, real threat to the common law that exists in places outside the fevered imaginings of fascist retards.

I partly stopped because I know exactly which argument he is going to use next, everything so far has been straight out of the BNP/EDL/racist fuckwits playbook. Hes also doing the classic thing of claiming to be apolitical/disillusioned. Seen it way too many times on various sites now.

What I find the funniest is that hes against people of different ethnicity living together voluntarily, but supports apartheid. Apparently minorities living together is only OK if we make them do it.

Fuckwit.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2012 19:28

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Come back IWC all is forgiven. Told you he was a poo poo troll. Report and move on people.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2012 19:46

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British Tim posted:

The shopkeepers took some terrible abuse but they wouldn't say anything, they would just smile and serve the customer.

They sound like terrible people. Kick em out.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 18:53

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Lamuella posted:

So what you're saying is that your hatred of muslims is an indoctrinated behaviour, not based on anything muslims actually do.

Its clear hes never thought deeply about any of the positions he holds. The SA miners thread proved that.

'Apartheid was terrible'

5 posts later

'hmmm now Ive thought about it some more it was a good thing'

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 18:54

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Gorilla Salad posted:

He was already banned on the last page. Now he's back.

It's IWC. This is what he does.

Its not.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 19:23

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Thundercloud posted:

Hold on, you aren't a libertarian are you?

No hes the other sort, a racist cock.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 19:58

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Its is a victory for them though. 8000 people voted for him. 8000 people shared his terrible fascist views. 8000 votes despite his thuggish behaviour during campaigning. Thats 20 times more people than they have had present at the largest EDL demo in the last couple of years.

I dont however think its a sign of things to come- it was a ridiculously low turnout, but its still the sort of morale boost that the EDL and their ilk need. I know its slightly comparing apples to oranges (although numbers voting were pretty much identical) but for contrast, the TUSC candidate for the Bristol mayoral elections that happened on the same day, standing on a socialist platform got a 1/6th of the votes Carrol got.

I dont think the left should be too smug.

Serotonin fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Nov 17, 2012

# ¿ Nov 17, 2012 09:25

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identity issues

# ¿ Jan 7, 2013 20:51

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I doubt it but bringing up Shayler has got me thinking about an alternative explanation, and that is Tr/SYL/PH or whatever is a MI5 asset. Given the history of the far right and its repeated infiltration by the security services in the 70s and 80s at the highest level it doesn't seem so far fetched.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2013 07:58

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

You'd think he'd have access to a better class of forged passport in those circumstances, although having said that if he hadn't been dumb enough to boast about it would he ever have been nicked for it?

So with the BNP and the EDL now imploding, does this mean we're winning? Or does it just mean that the political centre has now shifted so far to the right that there's literally no room for the fascist fringe any more?

I expect its more likely he's an asset as opposed to an agent as such. There's been a lot of accusations of grassing within the EDL in particular and and he finger has been pointed his way many a time.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2013 13:47

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

The passport was real, it just didn't belong to him.

The one he tried to get in to the US with wasn't his, but the one he returned to the UK with was. It just happens to have the name Paul Harris on.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2013 08:42

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More on the name front. Some of you might know this already, sop my apologies if you do.

Obviously we all know Tommy Robinson is an alias, but what I didnt know was where he stole it from. I had always been told Tommy was a big time football hooligan well connected in Luton firms, it turns out to be totally true. Thing is, its not Stephen Yaxley-Lennon/Paul Harris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8EODEbqQF4&t=1529s
(clip from that awful Danny Dyer docu on footy hooligans)

This guys the real Tommy Robinson, top boy in the Luton MIG, their notorious firm (for yansk reading a firm is the name given to an organised gang of football hooligans).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mig-Down-Tommy-Robinson/dp/0955039401

Apparently Yaxley-Lennon nicked his name to give himself a rep and look hard and some of the well publicised assaults back in the early days of the EDL that were blamed on him being jumped by angry muslims were from the real Tommy Robinson and his mates none to happy that this little squirt was trying to look hard with a fake name as well as smearing the real Tommy Robinson as a hardcore racist.

Stormfront are also not claiming that Paul Harris is his real birth name, but that he was adopted and Yaxley-Lennon is his adoptive parents name. Interesting.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2013 09:52

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The Exter Division has like 15 members and that was back when the EDL were doing well...

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/edl-humiliated-in-exeter.html

# ¿ Mar 1, 2013 10:51

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Er Pernacchia posted:

You must be joking, these are Internet warriors that's why they speak like this. If they were "for real" they would a-understand where all the violence leads to (more violence) because the would have experienced what a punch in the mouth feels like and b-they would not broadcast here but "just do it" as proper action people do.

It is, on the Internet.

In real life, you get a punch in the mouth and then you wish you had left this to the rightful agent: the police.

The bash the fash crowd are simply red tinted fascists, no better no worse than the literal fascists.

As someone old enough to have been involved with the ANL back in the day let me just say gently caress right off with your liberal whining.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2013 16:59

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Fascism has always been put down in the UK through direct action, Whether that be the 1940s or the 1970/80s, violence against fascists has always won the day and I see no reason why that shouldnt be the answer now.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2013 17:40

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Tias posted:

what is 'squadism', precious?

The term, often used pejoratively by liberal anti-fascists eschewing physical violence....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squadism

I love American liberals telling us how to combat the far right in the UK.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2013 20:46

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Allan Assiduity posted:

Given that this pointless bickering has made the thread tepid and boring to read, does anyone have any other sources for this claim that the York mosque incident didn't happen? It wouldn't ultimately surprise me if there wasn't any proof for it having happened and the media just so happened to run with it.

Of course, even if it did, it's not a sustainable way to oppose fascists, especially if it was only two (as claimed).

Wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be a load of old bollocks that the press have run with.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2013 21:17

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They were all arrested on a section 14. This is why you can't trust the cops to combat fascism.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 06:54

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Boo hoo a racist marching to use a mans murder I order to whip up racist sentiment got a kicking. You are such a whiny liberal.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 08:49

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Why are you so interested in the rights of racists and fascists? Attacks on Muslims have risen 8 fold since that soldiers death and we have had attacks on mosques, a Islamic centre burned down and a school full of kids torched. This is a direct result of the EDL and the BNP spreading their poison.

I'm glad people are taking to the streets to prevent fascists marching and attacking Muslims and people they think might be Muslims.

Combat Liberalism

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 10:21

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Lady Gaza posted:

Nowadays it seems like the NF aren't really a presence; besides some of the members transferring to the BNP and EDL and the like, does anyone have any info on what caused their decline?

Direct action from Antifa.
Violence.
The Battle of Lewisham.
The things that Spacedad has been claiming doesnt work.

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 17:04

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Lady Gaza posted:

I agree but was thinking of more specific examples like the Battle of Lewisham

The election of Thatcher and her making big talk of tackling immigration neutered the political machinations of the NF and there were a lot of splits too. Tyndall and co wanted to take a Third Way approach and become more political and mainstream and less street violence orientated which caused ructions and eventually led to the formation of the BNP- a more publically acceptable face of British Fascism. We all know where that went.

But the decline really set in after Lewisham where Antifa and local youths fought the NF in running street battles.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 18:38

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