English Defence League: the (white) pride of the UK

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Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

duck monster posted:

Shariah finance is basically awesome finance. Shariah law forbids ursury, the charging of interest on loans, so basically the bank buys the house and over time you buy it off them bit by bit, and during that time you are a co-owner. The bank charges some fees here and there, to make its profits, but generally it works out cheaper as your not getting slaughtered by the whims of the market and interest rates.

I don't think they do work out cheaper generally. If nothing else money saving expert would be all over that poo poo. Functionally they are quite similar to fixed rate mortgages.

But it's worth noting that until a few years ago when the previous government enacted an exception they would be significantly more expensive. The bank buying the property then selling it to you meant that stamp duty was effectively doubled. This kind of legal change "pandering" to Muslims, as harmless as it is, does not sit well with the EDL etc.

# ¿ May 24, 2012 20:20

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 15:56

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Video broken for anyone else?

Anyway, here's a photo from the same event. NB the slogan emblazoned on the Union Jack.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2012 20:41

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

As HP sauce was based on Chutney, the EDL should be against it anyway.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2012 19:57

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

KayTee posted:

So, the CxF, who have been hanging out a lot with the National Front recently, decided that posting this on their Facebook page was a good idea.

And I do apologise, but I just couldn't help myself:

the ms paint effect muzzle smoke i get, but what's with the yellow, red, blue dots?

# ¿ Jun 26, 2012 10:30

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

It's almost like No2EU was a really lovely name or something.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2012 09:34

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Does that say "Muslim Peadophiles Of Tomorrow"? Can't really make out the blurry ae / ea.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2012 20:37

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

What a low effort troll. Shameful.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2012 17:46

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

TinTower posted:

The problem with their victimhood complex is that it seems to be the electoral strategy these days. Helped along by the cryptofash at the Star, Express, and Mail, who easily turn around and say "what? Don't look at us, we abhor them (ps vote bnp)"

e: I remember in 2010, we in the Calder Valley got BNP leaflets through the postbox and the entire leaflet was just decrying the Lib-Lab-Con-Sensus and describing even the Tories as Marxists (), so... yeah. By the way, we're sorry for Craig Whittaker, he used to be my councillor too.

The BNP vote has utterly collapsed since their peak a few years ago though. So much for the strength of that electoral strategy.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2012 22:02

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

it's a weird choice for a promo pic anyway. bedfordshire is some distance north of london.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2012 20:22

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

ReV VAdAUL posted:

The Nazis came to power in a country with proportional representation and a common argument against PR is that it could cause such a thing to happen again.

However the Nazi's rise to power was far from solely by democratic means and opponents of more representative democracy will say anything to defend the status quo.

Nonetheless given this and the fact the BNP gained their only seats in an election with PR it is understandable why fascists would be open to PR.

Their 2 EU seats aren't their only electoral success.
Council elections in England don't use PR and the BNP won some in the past (although they haven't retained them very successfully).

# ¿ Oct 14, 2012 10:43

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

KayTee posted:

gently caress it - here's the cliffnotes:

53 arrests, including Tommeh, Kev Carroll and Michael Wood - this you know.

All released on bail, with orders not to enter East London untill told otherwise - That's hosed their next demo.

Kev's arest comes less than 24 hours after he'd forked over his �5k deposit and 100 signature application to be PCC. We don't know how this will affect his claim or his deposit.

Tommeh arrested again for alleged assault on Sayful Islam (The mouthpiece of Islam 4 UK/Muslims Against Crusades/Al Majouroon/Nutters 'R Us)

Tommeh arrested again on suspicion of fraud with re: Entering the US over 9/11 to pally around with Pam Geller. (The EDL page has the begging plate out)

This:

Several emails along these lines have been sent.

Meaning that there's some poor sod in a police station in London, Ontario Canada is scratching his head and asking: "Who're dees fuckwits, eh?"

I'd love to see the canned response that eventually gets copied to all these guys.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2012 12:02

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:

What the hell happened to google?

A few thousand protested non-violently outside the Google office for them to remove that awful 'The Innocence of Muslims' film from Youtube. Google didn't.

edit: actually that article's terrible, here's a BBC one.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19941886

# ¿ Oct 22, 2012 12:04

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

A rare thing - a victory for the BNP.

Strengthening these employee protections as the court has ordered does go against their stated position though.

How will this affect their stance on the ECHR?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/nov/06/bnp-bus-driver-wins-legal-case

quote:

Bus driver who was sacked for being in BNP wins human rights case
Strasbourg judges criticise Arthur Redfearn's inability to bring unfair dismissal case against employer Serco in 2004

The sacking of a bus driver for being a member of the far-right BNP was a breach of his human rights, the European court of human rights has ruled.

The decision by judges in Strasbourg follows a long legal battle by Arthur Redfearn, 56, who was sacked in 2004 from his job in Bradford, West Yorkshire, driving mainly Asian adults and children with disabilities.

The court ruled the actions of Serco breached Article 11 � the freedom of assembly and association � because he was sacked only because of his membership of a political party. The seven judges reached their decision on a 4-3 majority.

The court said it was "struck by the fact that he had been summarily dismissed following complaints about problems which had never actually occurred, without any apparent consideration being given to the possibility of transferring him to a non-customer facing role".

It added: "In fact, prior to his political affiliation becoming public knowledge, neither service users nor colleagues had complained about Mr Redfearn, who was considered a 'first-class employee'."

It said the right to freedom of association "must apply not only to people or associations whose views are favourably received or regarded as inoffensive, but also to those whose views offend, shock or disturb".

The judgment also criticised the fact Redfearn could not bring a case of unfair dismissal against Serco in 2004 because UK law said he had not worked long enough for the firm.

The driver was forced to claim race discrimination because no unfair dismissal claim was allowed within the first year of employment.

The court said the UK had to "take reasonable and appropriate measures to protect employees, including those with less than one year's service, from dismissal on grounds of political opinion or affiliation, either through the creation of a further exception to the one-year qualifying period under the 1996 Act or through a freestanding claim for unlawful discrimination on grounds of political opinion or affiliation".

The court heard how Redfearn worked for Serco as a driver from December 2003 until his dismissal on June 30, 2004.

In its judgment, the court said there had been no problems with his work but other employees and trade union complained after his BNP membership was revealed in a local paper.

He was summarily dismissed when he was elected as local councillor for the BNP.

In August 2004 he lodged a claim of race discrimination which was dismissed by an employment tribunal which found that any discrimination against him had been on health and safety grounds.

The tribunal found his continued employment could cause considerable anxiety among Serco's passengers and their carers and there was a risk vehicles could come under attack from opponents of the BNP.

In July 2005 Mr Redfearn successfully appealed against this decision after an appeal tribunal heard no consideration had been given to any alternatives to dismissal.

But, in May 2006, the court of appeal allowed Serco's appeal, finding that Mr Redfearn's complaint was of discrimination on political and not racial grounds, which fell outside anti-discrimination laws.

He was also refused leave to appeal to the House of Lords.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2012 21:56

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

You'd think he'd have access to a better class of forged passport in those circumstances, although having said that if he hadn't been dumb enough to boast about it would he ever have been nicked for it?

The Americans spotted it was bogus. I can't imagine they're the kind to not follow up on that.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2013 14:11

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

EvilHawk posted:

It seemed not so long ago that every protest/demo was met with the BBC (amongst others) coverage, now it barely gets a mention. This is a good thing.

The 24 hour news machine requires novelty.
Every EDL demo passes off the same, diminished each time.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2013 16:36

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

EvilHawk posted:

Honestly, what with the Malaysian/Chinese campuses and the massive immigrant population, I'm surprised they don't turn up more regularly.

why would the EDL object to Nottingham's China & Malaysia campuses? it means foreigners are taught in their home countries instead of coming to England.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2013 20:11

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Islam is inherently violent, so says the man who justified his murder of hundreds of thousands with "[the catholic] God will judge me".

# ¿ Jun 2, 2013 20:49

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LP97S posted:

OK, I have a dumb question because it's from someone else. Are there any councils or townships or whatever that have banned British symbols because they offend Muslims? It's the most parroted meme I've heard from people who believe that Islam is taking over and the EDL are just bad lads.

councils. and no

not something you can really prove though. only point to the lack of any recorded incidents of it happening.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2013 20:42

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

banning football colours isn't just about violence anyway.

similarly to "no stag / hen parties" signs there's an assumption that they'll probably take drunkenness too far, be too loud, sing, take over the pub, etc that'll annoy or scare away other patrons.

(not that that's a fair assumption to tar every group with)

# ¿ Jun 30, 2013 10:04

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

A Sloth posted:

Is Comrade Delta Martin Smith?

Yes.
The worst kept secret in modern British Trotskyism.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2013 19:23

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

KazigluBey posted:

Does bashing the fash make me... A fash?!

Is there a link between the SDL and the EDL? Bunch of them were up in Aberdeen a couple of months ago and it was pretty pathetic all in all.

Yes.
Years back, the first time the EDL held a protest in Scotland was Glasgow 2009. Then they realised a rebranding as the SDL might help.

# ¿ Aug 11, 2013 09:56

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Kieselguhr Kid posted:

Kant doesn't actually say this. Not lying is a negative duty: you shouldn't lie, but that doesn't mean you have answer every question asked. People are not entitled to an answer for any question they might ask, especially if you're being wronged by the asking: the murderer who threatens you, the sticky-nose who asks personal questions to humiliate you, etc. 'gently caress off I'm not telling you' is a perfectly honest answer.

Much like "gently caress off I'm not serving you".

# ¿ Sep 19, 2013 14:22

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

tooterfish posted:

Yeah, you can tell they were scared for their safety by the way they filmed their friend sucker punching a drunk guy who could barely stand.

i can't read minds through youtube like you can.
but that's not at all unreasonable. people get their phones out for video all the time now as defensive measure in scary situations. it's either proof later of the aggressor's actions or a deterrent to him escalating.

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 15:56

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

or Halfway To Heaven, up until the point they realise they're accidentally in a gay bar

# ¿ Sep 17, 2014 14:40

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