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AccountSupervisor posted:I wouldn't say its bad, but its not enough to sell me on the character and comes off as pretty bland. Its pretty important for a trailer to get the viewer interested in the main character of which the title of the film is named after. I feel like you are completely disregarding that there will be other characters interacting with Dredd and thus enabling us to get a better feel for him. That female Judge in the trailer seems to lose her helmet early on and I find it likely that we will see and connect to Dredd through her, so having him remove his helmet wont be necessary.
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bobkatt013 posted:She does not wear a helmet. She is a physic and the helmet interferes with her ability. I'm not very familiar with the source material beyond the basics, would she be suitable as a character the audience can connect to in the way AccountSupervisor talks about? Kind of like this movie's Rob Schneider?
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ynohtna posted:Joe's helmet is over-sized because it has grids of coloured LEDs behind the visor that digitally show his emotional state in the form of emoticons. Judging by this  his emotional state is never not  Wait, Judge Dredd's first name is Joe? Joe Dredd?
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Baron Bifford posted:He's got a sort of X over his visor. Don't they obscure his eyesight? Not if he looks like this underneath the helmet: 
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Christmas Miracle posted:yeah, i wasn't saying that dredd was trying to save him from the blast door. I'm saying that dredd noticing that someone is breaking the law, then offering to let them go is compassionate. In other words, dredd wants to enforce the law because he thinks it will help megacity one, but he's willing to refrain from enforcing the law if he doesn't think it will really help. My guess about why he approached the guy in the first place instead of ignoring him is because he's loitering and violating safety regulations by sitting in the door, not because he thinks the door will close soon. It was pointed out before: He didn't spare the guy, Anderson did. Dredd pointed him out to her and basically said "Here is a lawbreaker, you almost missed him" and she goes "  didn't we want to investigate a murder, sir?"If the movie really would have wanted to go for the jugular Dredd would have said gently caress Murder and taken the time to send the guy to the IsoCubes. But this is another case where the movie makes us chuckle and marvel at how 'compassionate' Dredd/Anderson are, with the added irony that their compassion gets the guy killed anyway.
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Baron Bifford posted:OK, so we agree at least that Dredd and Anderson were justified in defending themselves. Now, let's move on to the broader picture. The way I see it there are whole pages dedicated to providing you with these points, with you picking them apart by saying "I didn't see that, I was too busy focusing on the movie".
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Sep 1, 2013 19:05
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Baron Bifford posted:I should note that Dredd himself is not corrupt. He doesn't take bribes or engage in other misconduct. He's honest and a good judge by MC1 standards. The trick is to realize that MC1 standards are loving terrible.
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So you are saying MC1 would be Utopia if it weren't for the lack of manpower?
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Sep 2, 2013 12:14
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Baron Bifford posted:Dredd's actions are not to be celebrated, but they cannot be condemned either. He pretty much does what he has to do. Why does he have to do it?
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Sep 2, 2013 14:02
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Baron Bifford posted:Mostly survival. That comes when he enters Peach Trees. Why does he go there? Why does he put on the uniform? You still haven't answered whether you think Mega City 1 would be Utopia if it just had a billion more Judges.
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Sep 2, 2013 14:21
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PerfectTommy posted:Bad guys throw a guy off a balcony, murdering him. The first makes it clear that these are the bad guys to begin with. The second makes people fistpump. Yeah, actually I'd say it's pretty subtle.
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Sep 4, 2013 19:41
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BreakAtmo posted:"Reckless driving"? Bit of un understatement - they splattered a dude all over the road and attempted to kill Dredd, while driving high on drugs, then the last of them took a hostage and held a gun to her head. They did that because Dredd was chasing them. But I guess Dredd was chasing them out of self-defense, too? Coming back to the white phosphorus-trap, what would have stopped Dredd to make Ma-Ma and her cronies believe he spoke through the Intercom from the cellar? He was obviously able to rig it so that they believed he was at X location, why didn't he just send those guys all the way down and then marched up to Ma-Ma whistling a tune while they searched Level 0 for him? Oh that's right, he had to defend himself.
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Sep 5, 2013 13:45
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Baron Bifford posted:For some reason they didn't want to pull over to the side and stop. Maybe because they had guns, drugs, and prior offenses. That's beside the point. You said they were a danger therefore Dredd had to stop them. But we only saw them becoming a danger when Dredd started chasing them. Dredd didn't chase them because they ran over a jaywalker, they ran over a jaywalker because Dredd was chasing them.
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Sep 5, 2013 14:02
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catch22 posted:They could of...I don't know...pulled over? It was said already, but the punishment they would have faced would have likely been ridiculously high. This is even made clear on a textual level during Dredd's "negotiation" with the last remaining guy. He simply has no incentive to comply because every outcome seems equally lovely for him. So better risk it and try outrunning a Judge than being sentenced to ten billion years on the Isocubes for "Is that slo mo I smell? STEP OUT OF THE CAR"
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Sep 5, 2013 18:25
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NESguerilla posted:To me it just boiled down to the gangsters being objectively bad, the judges are fascists and are also bad, but the Judges are more sympathetic due to their intentions in the context of the film. Really? Because to me it seemed like the movie went out of its way to show that they weren't. There was one gangster who clearly was part of the gang for the sake of his wife and little baby, there was fabulous hair-dude, there was Robot Eye Geek. There were so many instances where it was shown that the inhabitants of Peach Trees in general were victims that I'm quite frankly puzzled how one could reach the conclusion that they are objectively bad. Take the Gatling Gun scene. The best way to escape such kind of butchery is to be behind the gun. Hoping that a Judge will settle things before you get horrifically killed is not the way to go in MC1, unless you are one of the happy 6%, and even those aren't always happy to meet a Judge, as can be seen in the Food Court scene.
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Sep 6, 2013 07:00
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DeclaredYuppie posted:Like are we trying to really have a debate over the idea that there may be some redeemable/admirable qualities to criminals and their situations may be forced on them? That police may be well intention-ed but bring about more violence and misery in pursuit of their goals? Like that might be a really obvious core theme of the movie and pretty common observation about real life as well? I'd go one step further and say the police isn't well intentioned. Dredd at least is only interested in upholding The Law and dealing out Justice, and his efforts are mostly separated from the subjects he's dealing out the justice to. That's what makes it a satire.
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I would have expected that to Dredd, all crime is serious.
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Baron Bifford posted:Some people on this thread are scandalized by the fact that cops will chase down criminals, that some criminals will do their utmost to avoid their punishment (sometimes for even minor things), and that there might be short-term risks to the public and the cops involved in pursuing criminals. This is a terrible straw man. Nobody thinks criminals should get away, all of what you claim has been discussed in the context of the movie and as per usual you're either too thick to get it or are trolling.
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Sep 7, 2013 14:19
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Riso posted:At the end, it's very effective city wide, because they just stopped THE drug lab producing slo-mo. There are a lot of indications that there are other drug labs out there. Slo Mo is a new drug spreading fast, but closing it down just means people will continue using the drugs Slo Mo would have replaced.
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Sep 7, 2013 15:23
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Baron Bifford posted:Dredd considers every citizen in Meg to be a potential criminal but the drones don't mean anything. They might have lots of drones because they're cheaper than helicopters so they can afford to have lots in the air all the time. It's still pretty amazing to me how you can just go out and say "That thing that was featured in the movie doesn't have any meaning, it's there because Real World Reasons and clearly this movie aimed at maximum realism  ". And then you make claims about the levels of symbolism in the movie. Simply amazing.
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Sep 8, 2013 17:09
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Baron Bifford posted:There are... hints of satire here and there but nothing substantial. There is a backdrop of dystopia, but the dystopia is never examined, it is merely an excuse for crazy action sequences. We shown a lawman who has the power to judge and sentence people on the spot, but the implications of this are not explored. It's explored in that there are mountains of corpses after he went on a routine mission, and the most telling sign of satire is that you're championing his actions as justified in a weird circular way because he has the Right to do so.
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Baron Bifford posted:Here's another article that illuminates Garland's intentions. It suggests that he deliberately wrote Dredd as a straight, non-humorous movie because that interpretation had the most meaning for him. He first got into Dredd when he was 10 years old, too young to understand the satire. It's really funny that you present an article as evidence that your reading of the movie is the most correct one, and the quote you choose from the article to support your claim starts with "I mean, it’s subjective, right?"
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Basebf555 posted:Well he apparently didn't even read it because when a quote was pointed out that contradicts him, he just said "oh, well ,guess that settles it." Good for him I guess for not just cherrypicking specific quotes that fit his argument. As I read it he finally admits that there actually is real satire in the movie, since now that the director has said so it is definitely true. It's just not the kind he wanted, whatever that means.
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"Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you." I loved that robot.MrBling posted:If you're really itching to watch a good 90s Stallone action movie, I would go for Demolition Man every time. I watched Demolition Man a dozen times before Stallone's Dredd came out to pass the time, and after I had watched Dredd I just went back and watched Demolition Man another dozen times.
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They did, three times!
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Vagabundo posted:I'm rather glad they changed the ending from what was in the script. The scripted one would've made me a bit uncomfortable. This would have worked fabulously with the Fist Of Dredd-quote.
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Oct 11, 2014 13:02
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McSpanky posted:Hell no, I love it when the climactic battle happens somewhere north of 20 stories and you know some motherfucker's taking a dive through the plate glass. That this did not happen was by far the worst thing about the new RobCop. KoRMaK posted:I didn't even think of that as a theme, but now I'm trying to think of others. Batman 89
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Oct 11, 2014 20:48
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Timby posted:Batman Returns. Not climactic but still. Also Batman Forever. What is it with Batman and heights?
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Jedit posted:I don't know, what is it with the guy who dresses like a flying creature that hangs upside down from the ceiling with the avowed intent of terrorising people and heights? Yeah maybe I should have asked what's with Batman's villains and heights, since they're the ones that constantly go "Batman will never catch me up here, mwahaha!"
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GORDON posted:It's been a while since I saw Doom but I remember the movie having a very low opinion of the military people that were sent in to investigate. Weren't they all either evil, cowards, drug addicts, or a combination of those? That's a hell of an elite team they got there. It struck me as a failed attempt to establish them in a similar manner to the team from Predator, just that the result was more like Predators. LORD OF BUTT posted:...it kinda did ditch a very large amount of the games' premise. Or Event Horizon, but halfway through Laurence Fishburne goes "I've had it with these motherfucking demons on this motherfucking ship" and then he shoots everything.
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:What the gently caress is going on in this thread Phenomenology.
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