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Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

VincentPrice posted:

Mega City One looks like Houston. It's supposed to be a dystopia

I see no conflict between these sentences.

The only good thing about this trailer is Olivia Thirlby's face. Otherwise, my god this looks bland.

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Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

doctor 7 posted:

I honestly cannot believe some people got genuine enjoyment from the Stallone Judge Dredd film. That poo poo was loving terrible.

Yes, but it's terrible poo poo with very nice sets and costumes.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

...I really need to find a copy of Tank Girl.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Wade Wilson posted:

I'll be honest, for the longest time until I watched them again for the second time since I saw them originally in theaters, I thought Stallone's Judge Dredd and Demolition Man were the same movie (the both have Stallone and Bullock in them, both are 90's "future" movies, etc.).

If Rob Schneider shows up again in this one and Dredd just shoots him was soon as he opens his mouth and starts whining, I'm sold.

Sandra Bullock is not in Judge Dredd. You're probably thinking of Diane Lane.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Wade Wilson posted:

drat, how the hell did I confuse Diane Lane with Sandra Bullock?

Good question.

As an aside, I really wish Diane Lane had had a bigger career. She got stuck doing rom coms way too quickly, despite having some real acting chops and being gorgeous. What gives?

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Xenomrph posted:

But the thing is neither of that has anything to do with your original point of being able to see Dredd's eyes (which would violate the #1 rule of Dredd). That's my point - you can pull off Dredd without seeing his face; the comics have been doing it for 30+ years. The very point of his character is that you don't see his face. If you have to see his face, you've missed the point. That's a constraint I'm quite confident movies can work around - see also: Rorschach, V for Vendetta, the Predator (to an extent), the Batman movies, etc.

But V for Vendetta is the only one of your examples where you don't see the actor's face?

Dredd always wearing the mask is fine, given his intentionally two dimensional nature. He's more of an icon than a character. However, that flatness fits much better within the satyrical tone of the comics than in the (apparently) serious tone of this film.

Urban's performances always come off very limp to me though, and hiding his face for the entire film won't help that. It takes a very good actor too pull off a masked performance. Jackie Earle Haley and Hugo Weaving pulled it off, but I don't have the same confidence here...

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Vintersorg posted:

That's been my biggest issue -- the helmet and costume in general is just so loving bad!

The motorcycles (and everything else about the highway shots) are pretty low-rent too. The props and costumes all look like something from a fan film.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Niggurath posted:

I still can't get over that loving "It's judgement time!" line is; it just seems so forced, like he's winking at us under the helmet or something. I would have been fine though if he got to use his "This is the fist of Dredd" line, because that works in all situations. Really though it's just a bit of a bummer they can't really get across the anti portion of Dredd's anti-hero nature; any time he's taking down a criminal in the movie they always seem to come across as the worst scum ever, and they're packed to the teeth and on drugs/raping women/killing puppies. It kinda glosses over the fact that Dredd, and the law itself, is rather ruthless itself and that people are just reacting to very cramped and fascist settings with anger and frustration. The trailer just makes it seem like people in the future are violent for no particular reason and all these super cops are necessary to maintain order. Just seems to be missing some key points from the original source.

Eh, I'd say the '95 movie communicated the anti- part pretty well. The supporting cast frequently comments on his over the top application of the law, and Rico, despite being a mass murderer, actually makes a good point during his big speech.

Not seeing any indication of irony from this trailer though.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Jonny Angel posted:

So I just read the script for this and had a very very strong reaction and a big question. I checked the CineD rules thread and there weren't any guidelines there about discussing leaked scripts for upcoming movies, but I absolutely don't want to start yakking about the script if it's bad form. Would posting my reaction and asking the question be okay, provided it's all in a spoiler block?

Pretty sure that unless you've signed an NDA you should be okay, especially since the film just screened at Comic Con. But if you want to be certain, you should ask Professor Clumsy.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Vagabundo posted:

Also, please make sure to use spoiler tags. Not all of us were able to go to comic con, what with living in not-USA or even not-Northern Hemisphere so it would be a real dick thing to do to not bother with them. It's just the polite thing to do, thanks.

Well he already specified that he would use spoilers. But yeah, I don't think anyone in the thread was even at the screening, so untagged spoilers are a big no-no.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Yeah, my reaction is similar to yours. Here's hoping those elements are either excised, subverted, or at least heavily downplayed in the final film.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Fish of hemp posted:

What does this even mean?

Maybe he means that Dredd is so obviously satirical that it makes Starship Troopers look like a straight-faced propaganda film? If so, it's a loving confusing way of expressing it.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

The only review I checked out was the one from /Film... but yeeeeeah, that was uncomfortable. The euphoria with which they repeatedly said variations of "You see so many people DYING in so many creative ways!!!" without any sort of self-awareness was really unsettling.

Still, I'm not sure if this is actually a movie for psychopaths, or if it's a satire which is just being described by psychopaths. The tone of the advertising kind of has me thinking the former though...

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Mouser.. posted:

I would much rather see less death in a Judge Dredd film. Maybe he can take the helmet off. Have a love interest. Hey! Let's get some comic relief in this movie, I know the perfect guy. This movie is going to be a hit and with all that psychopathic murder gone, we'll get our target audience. Teenagers and people who have never read the comic.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be violence in a Dredd film. Obviously there will be a large body count. I'm just specifying that the depiction of violence should be satirical and subversive. The comics depict violence, but they do so in a satirical fashion. They don't openly glorify it. Even if they did, that wouldn't excuse the film.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Mouser.. posted:

Sure it would. It's not like the trailer is depicting it to be something that it's not. The most recent Rambo had gritty violence in it and Stallone made it very clear that is because Burma is a loving brutal place and he wanted the images to resonate throughout. 2000AD is a loving brutal universe. Judge Dredd already got a heavily sanitized version that tanked. Despite the violence, I seriously doubt that Judge Dredd stops in the movie for a high five with his partner to state how he's so happy to be killing. Although, I wouldn't be adverse to a freeze frame jumping high-five to close out the movie.

To clarify, my complaint with the /Film guys is that they seem to have a hard-on for watching people do gratuitously, and I'm hoping that the film itself doesn't portray violence in such a pornographic fashion. If it's subverted, satiric, or even just used to illustrate the brutality of the dystopian universe, fine. If it's just there because watching people die horribly is "fun" ...well that's hosed up, and a precedence in the comics wouldn't make it any less hosed up.


Payndz posted:

Weeeeell, that does depend on the story and the writer (and even the artist). A lot of the violence isn't so much satirical as blackly comic, such as just about anything the Angels ever did, most of PJ Maybe's killings, and even the Dark Judges when they slipped from horror to wacky through overuse. And it's hard to see something like Dredd killing Junior Angel as anything other than "gently caress yeah, Dredd threw that guy into a loving volcano!" :woop: , while the Chopper story where he competed in the Mega-City Two Supersurf was basically carnage porn - "How many ways can we see human bodies ripped apart in lovingly painted detail?"

And let's not even start on when Garth Ennis and his pals took over as writers from Wagner and Grant. That whole period was just "Tee hee, look at how transgressive we are with our gratuitous ultraviolence!"

Ah, I haven't read more than a handful of arcs in this particular series. It sounds like I would find Garth Ennis' take on the franchise rather reprehensible.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Nah, my comic book exposure is pretty slim, exactly because of the excessive juvenile violence, misogyny, and the like. There's just a handful of artists I've really gotten into (Moebius, Otomo, Mignola, McCay).

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

achillesforever6 posted:

Ever read The Sandman?

Yeah, and Watchmen and probably a few other "major" entries in the genre that I'm forgetting. Why?

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Dickeye posted:

Yeah, ultrahardcore horror flicks that are supposed to simulate a serial killer's home movies, complete with rape, necrophilia, and mutilation, sound exactly like a thing this dude would like.

...yeah, really glad I didn't google that out of curiosity.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Nutsngum posted:

Dredd came 4th in box office returns for its opening weekend here in Aus taking in $800,000 which is quite decent for a non MASSIVE BLOCKBUSTER movie here.

I think it should make its budget just barely by the time its cinema run is finished.

I doubt it. The only major market that Dredd has left to open in is Asia, which is not likely to make up the roughly $30 million gap remaining.

Also, generally when a minimum required box office return is stated, it refers to the goal for American domestic earnings. Production companies generally get smaller cuts from international markets, so the required international earnings for a Dredd sequel to be considered are likely to be much higher than the domestic goal.

But hey, maybe it will pull an Alice in Wonderland and become a massive hit in Japan.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Baron Bifford posted:

The motivations and the moral responsibility are beside the point.

You scare the poo poo out of me.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

They might not make a sequel, but the fact they are selling off stuff doesn't matter either way. Look at how many different movies the Starship Troopers armor shows up in, after they were sold and and parted off.

Actually, they show up in other Fox productions because Fox didn't sell them.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Payndz posted:

Perfect opportunity to do 'The Cursed Earth', then. A couple of VFX shots of MC1 and MC2 at the beginning and end, then the rest of the film is filmed on a small budget in a desert wasteland with some mutants, Mount Rushmore and the occasional dinosaur. (Though I suppose they might actually have to buy the rights to Damnation Alley, unlike the comic. :v: )

Nothing cheap about filming in the desert.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

So the producer did an AMA on Reddit recently, and he confirmed that there will be no sequel. Even with the nice home video sales, it's just not feasible to sell an R-rated sci-fi sequel to a film that bombed. He shot down the possibility of a Kickstarter funded sequel similar to Veronica Mars as well, stating that raising the necessary budget for a sci-fi film is quite a bit different than raising $2 million for a low budget present day drama (duh).

The good news? They're preparing one Dredd short film, out of love of the franchise.

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Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

TheJoker138 posted:

I've known actual cinematographers who have literally laughed out loud when asked about how this movie looked.

This is so dumb. I know actual cinematographers who really like how this film looked, but I don't know what either or our statements prove.

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