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Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Samurai Sanders posted:

Wait, so one of them was passing out bazillions of taxpayer yen to family and friends and the other was giving supporters cheap paper fans, and they both get the same punishment?

I don't think that Obuchi's money was taxpayer money, per se. The main issue was that by covering the costs of events she was essentially giving gifts to voters in her district which is akin to buying votes. As for Matsushima, I think she was/is on the cusp of having charges brought against her in court. Neither of them have been punished yet and have only resigned their ministerial positions (they're still MPs).

Stringent posted:

Did Abe just pick some real snowbirds, or is this kind of thing SOP and these ladies are getting called out?

I really wonder about that, too. I guess the benefit to the opposition parties is that it keeps Abe from calling snap elections and using a new mandate to push through the 10% consumption tax, but I would think they would have sat on this until a more opportune time if the source of the info was them. I wonder if this isn't some intra-LDP inter-faction stuff.

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Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Grouchio posted:

Hopefully this causes Shinzo Abe to resign before the new year.

Haha, not likely. I'd be pleased if it happened, though.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Silver linings:

  • The LDP dropped seats and Komeito gained, increasing their power within the coalition and perhaps blunting the more hawk-ish planks of Abe's platform.
  • Ishihara's fascist old peoples' party, Next Generation Party, was effectively wiped out
  • The Communists won a record number of seats, buoyed by general discontent and the LDP's continued ignoring of the will of the people of Okinawa

This poll was never going to be anything but a LDP/Komeito victory, but there are a few positive signs. Maybe Shigeru Ishiba can beat out Abe for head of the LDP in the party presidental election next year and things can get really crazy.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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CronoGamer posted:

If Jordan had handed over the woman they wanted I'm quite sure that ISIS would've handed over Goto. Why would they want to sacrifice any opportunity at collecting future ransom just for a random Japanese journalist?

But also, LOL at Abe resigning over this. This was not at all a stroke against him and can easily be spun into "we need a more proactive presence and representation out there" since they had no one to negotiate with ISIS directly.

Yeah, this is just going to be spun into "We need a 'real' armed forces". The interesting part will be whether the DPJ will (rightly) seize on the fact that'd lead to more Japanese nationals dying overseas and fight it tooth and nail, or if they'll cave and suffer the same fate as the socialists in the 90s.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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ErIog posted:

Them having no one to negotiate with ISIS was directly the fault of Abe, though. I'll buy that it's unlikely he would step down, but what's posted in the articles I linked is pretty damning.

Here's a 3rd one to go on the pile of, "Abe sure hosed this whole thing up."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/22/did-japan-botch-isis-hostage-deal.html

Not that I hold it against him, but Jake Adelstein has a raging hate-hard-on for Abe. You can pretty safely ignore his takes on stuff until you see other outlets picking up his narrative.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Zo posted:

What you're describing is the みなし残業 system I mentioned in my post. I interviewed at about 12 companies recently and only 2 of them used it - tiny sample size and biased field (engineering/law) but there you go.

I think it's an awful, poo poo system that's basically made up since the total assumed salary at those 2 companies wasn't any higher than the base salary alone at the other places.

I think it's because there's no overtime exempt positions like in the US so no one's purely salaried. みなし残業 is a way to get around that. That's what my position is. I'm lucky, though, as I'm the only person on my team in my office (so no bosses to look good for) and I pretty much never put in more than 8-9 hours a day.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Kenishi posted:

He hasn't made as many xenophobic gaffes as Ishihara, I don't think. But Tamogami is very invested in the idea of militarizing Japan again. The wiki on him even mentions that in his book he is open to the idea of making Japan nuclear. So, maybe to the Japanese, he's his own brand of crazy.

He's a full-on "World War II was a war of defense, Nanking never happened, nananananananana can't here you" pants-on-head right-wing warmongering imbecile. He's every bit as bad as Ishihara, imho, with the added bonus of not being ready to keel over at any moment from being old as dirt. The poo poo he says is so dumb and out there that Taro "My Family Fortune was Built on Slave Labor" Aso had to fire him.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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mystes posted:

NHK is now reporting that the votes against the Osaka Metropolis plan are confirmed to have the majority. Hashimoto had said that he would quit politics if this happened, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

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All we need know is for Ishihara to kick the bucket and we'd be having the best week ever.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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MediumWellDone posted:

Could someone tell me the story behind Terry? Everytime he opens his mouth he sounds like a belligerent arse, but apparently he was part of a student uprising?
I would like to know more about this character.
Edit: I mean the wanker in the hat whose eyes are split between London and Paris and used to be on スッキリ in the mornings

テリー伊藤? Not sure about the particulars of his story, but he seems like your typical Japanese (or American) boomer: was all fiery and idealistic in the 60s and 70s, then got old and conservative.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Bro Dad posted:

thats why they killed tom clancy

they didnt want us to know :tinfoil:

It's Eco-Terrorists. Definitely Eco-Terrorists.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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mystes posted:

For some reason, even though Hashimoto is totally really getting out of politics like he promised, he's now starting a new political party.

He's totally going to say people demanded he stay and back out of that promise to quit.

Edit:
Posting this on request

Mr. Fix It fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Aug 31, 2015

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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ErIog posted:

He's gonna be termed out in a few years, and these are all long term goals.
There are no term limits for the position of prime minister. None for President of the LDP either, afaik.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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hadji murad posted:

I've never seen anything more wrong and racist about everything in my life than this thread.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3693893&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 ?

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Chomskyan posted:

This isn't true on either count. The group which represents surviving comfort women would probably accept a settlement if it included legal responsibility. Japan doesn't want this because it would set a precedent where they might have to pay out damages to individuals from other countries like (horror of horrors) China. Also, as recently as 2012 a left-of-center party was in power in Japan, and seemed more willing to mend relations with China and Korea. Obviously things didn't work out then, but there have been a lot of left-wing protests recently and it wouldn't be terribly surprising if a coalition of opposition parties took the upper house in 2016. Abe's move to strike a deal with Korea is probably an attempt to resolve the issue before a more left-wing government makes a compromise that's "worse" (from a right-wing war-crime-denialist perspective).

P.S. I don't know if it's your intention but you come across as defending the stance of Japan's right-wing. Japan; which during World War 2 forced women into sex-slavery, is currently run by politicians who deny this ever happened, and is trying to erase the event from their textbooks entirely (actually, other country's textbooks as well); is 100% not the wronged party here.


Even worse than Japan. In particular more willing to use the power of the state to persecute those whose views differ from theirs.

e: maybe "capable" is a more accurate description than "willing"
But wasn't the question of legal responsibility "resolved" by the Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea? I mean, the Japanese right are horrible for being atrocity-denying revisionists, but it's not Japan's fault that the RoK government spent the reparations on infrastructure.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Chomskyan posted:

If you ask Japan's right-wing they'll say that legal responsibilty was resolved with the 1965 agreement. Ask the actual victims of Japanese war crimes and they'll say that no, the matter is not resolved, because that agreement was negotiated by a dictator without their consultation. That's all there is to it. This matter will not be resolved until Japan is willing to engage with its victims (or all the victims die of old age).

But why would Japan do that? Their victims don't care about money so much as justice, and wont bend on certain points that might put Japan in a compromising position (see: true legal accountability). It's much easier for Japan to negotiate with a morally flexible, pragmatic Korean government, and make "deals" that they can point to and say "look the matter has already been resolved X times and they're still complaining. It's the Korean's that are at fault."

Meanwhile, just to add insult to injury, every deal they make contains deal breaking provisions which scream bad faith. For example, one provision of the current deal requires the Korean government to remove a statue honoring former sex-slaves which currently stands outside the Japanese embassy. Ask yourself, why would a government truly interested in making amends for its misdeeds insist on such a provision? Indeed the crux of the agreement is that the Korean government won't "raise the issue" of comfort women again once the deal is struck.

Obviously I'm no fan of the Korean government either, and even the groups respresenting the surviving comfort women are not above criticism. However, Japan is the only actor with any real capability of resolving this conflict and it has consistently tried to worm its way out of any accountability. That saddest part is that this strategy might work. With most of the survivors more than 90 years old, all Abe and his coalition of war crime deniers have to do is wait until they die. Then they can fall back on their new agreement which takes the Korean government out of the situation and re-write history in any way they want. There won't be anyone left to press the issue then.
Is there any legal basis for overturning a treaty because the ruler was a dictator? The 1965 aggreement is a legal and in-force treaty as far as I know. Would the RoK be willing to give back that money if it really is illegitimate? I understand the moral argument that Japan should do more, but there is no legal grounds for it.

I think the right would say that even if they did engage the victims, that politicians in South Korea would still use the past crimes to drum up anti-Japanese sentiment. And what about the Kono Statement? There are nutters that tried to get it nullified, but it wasn't, and it seems like a pretty direct acknowledgment and apology. It being apparently forgotten in Korea just gives the Japanese right ammunition when they claim the continues complaints are just political.

It does give me great pain the lengths that the Japanese right is going to whitewash crimes against humanity committed during the war. However I think attempts by politicians in countries that were victimized to drum up anti-Japanese sentiment for political purposes just plays right into what Abe and his ilk want: an image of a Japan surrounded by enemies that needs a real military and a strong authoritarian government to protect itself. My heart bleeds for the real victims who have, if not legal, moral grounds to demand something of Japan and are just used as pawns by unscrupulous politicians.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Chomskyan posted:



lol right after the new agreement

Who's mouthing off? It's really not surprising at this point when the government says one thing while figures in the LDP say something else. Little bit of two-facedness, little bit of the LDP being a fractious pile of poo poo.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Chomskyan posted:

Shinsuke Sugiyama, Japan’s "deputy foreign minister". In this case he was Japan's envoy to the UN.

It's worth noting that his statements don't strictly contradict the apology made during the recent agreement, which was pretty vague. They do however contradict the Kono statement (which Abe previously said he'd uphold) and the government investigation that preceded it.

Lol, is it just me or is everyone in the government with "deputy" in their title a complete asshat? I think Abe's been careful this time around at not putting his friends and loyalists into top cabinet positions and is sticking them all in deputy rolls instead. Probably not that uncommon a move regardless of a leader's political bent, but the upside is that when ever one of these deputies opens their mouths I think we're getting an unfiltered view of what Abe-chan believes and thinks.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Only the Japanese name of the party changed. They are still the Democratic Party in English. 民進党 wouldn't be DIP even if they did translate it. It would be Democratic Progressive Party, like the Taiwanese party they ripped the name off of.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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mystes posted:

The official English name of the 民主党 was the "Democratic Party of Japan" (DPJ), so it did change: they dropped "of Japan" from the name, and the abbreviation is now just "DP".

I stand corrected.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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LDP and Komeito are well short of two thirds on their own, but if you add in MPs that are independent and support revision and MPs from parties that do, they are one vote shy of it. I think the media figures they can find a single defector or flip another independent.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Teikanmi posted:

So why is no one talking about how obviously Abe and the LDP are going to keep extending term limits forever? Isn't this one of the first steps to dictatorship? I swear Mussolini, Hitler, et all did the same thing.

There are no term limits in the constitution. The LDP is just changing its rules. If the only barrier to Japan becoming a dictatorship was a party's rules, then poo poo was hosed to begin with.

Abe is an authoritarian and enough of the populace is okay with that so he stays in power. It's possible that he's seeking dictatorial power and just slowing turning up the heat so he can boil the frog without it noticing, but I just think he's a boring rear end in a top hat politician that just wants enough time to push re-militarization and maybe some weakening of personal protections in the constitution. I do believe that if the electorate decides it doesn't like part of that, he'll be out. It's also possible that enough of the electorate is okay with all that. I'm not going to accuse him of anything more than being a regressive rear end in a top hat until he actually starts loving with elections (fraud, ignoring results, cancelling them).

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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lol http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...reign-tourists/

quote:

Kozo Yamamoto, the regional revitalization minister, apologized Monday for his remark the previous day in which he called museum curators “the biggest cancer,” saying they are not doing enough to make foreign tourists understand the nation’s cultural assets.

“It was not appropriate. I am reflecting on my remarks and I will retract them and offer my apologies,” Yamamoto told reporters in Tokyo. He denied that he will resign over the gaffe.

In a question-and-answer time following a lecture at an Otsu hotel on Sunday, Yamamoto, a Liberal Democratic Party member from Fukuoka Prefecture serving his seventh term in the Lower House, stressed the importance of tourism for the nation’s economy.

“Of all forms of tourism, the one that lets visitors understand the culture and history has the longest-lasting effects,” he said. “What’s most important is whether we can explain our cultural assets properly.”

Then he went on to attack museum curators, who he said are not doing a good enough job to present the country’s assets to tourists.

He added that the curators need to be “eradicated” as they “are the biggest cancer” and “they lack the normal tourism mindset.”

He also cited the example of the British Museum in London, which he argued succeeded in drawing in tourists by “dismissing” curators.

On Monday, Yamamoto said he wanted to stress the need for curators to have a tourism mindset.

Curators, called gakugei-in in Japanese, are specialists certified by the government under the Museum Law. They collect, preserve and exhibit materials related to history, art, folk culture, industry and natural sciences to educate the public. As of 2011, there were about 7,300 curators here, according to the education ministry.

As a an aside, the failure of the opposition to take advantage of the LDP's high incidence of foot-in-mouth disease really goes accentuate how pathetic of an opposition it is.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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icantfindaname posted:

Seems like the opposite if anything, it's one of the top 5 or so things on the list of stuff that's been constantly sensationalized and obsessed over by media in both Japan and the West for the last like 30 years, and considering that Japan's suicide rate is not actually higher than most Euro countries except for old people who skew it higher, ...

I get that hating on old people is the J-Goon hivemind consensus and all, but why would you exclude them from the suicide rate when comparing between countries? Isn't the elevated rate of suicide amongst the elderly remarkable on its own as well?

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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icantfindaname posted:

It is, but the way karoshi is usually framed (THE JAPANESE HAVE A SPECIFIC WORD FOR WORKING TO DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) is about people who are implicitly young working adults/maybe later middle aged, not retired olds. Vice journalists don't care about the plight of poor/homeless old people in Japan, which is where the exceptionally high suicide rate is

Karoshi isn't suicide, though?

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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icantfindaname posted:

I thought it was mostly a euphemism for suicides ruled as being caused by workplace conditions? The case from a few weeks/months ago was a woman working for Dentsu who committed suicide

I'm not sure what the breakdown is, but karoshi includes folks just dropping dead from stroke or heart attacks while working. Acknowledging that suicides can be caused by overwork let alone calling them karoshi is a pretty recent thing I believe.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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All my Heisei 31 calendars are officially WORTHLESS. THANKS ABE

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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punk rebel ecks posted:

How hosed up is the Japanese criminal justice system? Is it true that they have a 99% prosecution rate? How do people stand by this?

"Only guilty people get arrested and charged." It's self-fulfilling and self-sustaining really.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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symphoniccacophony posted:

I believe so, but only because MacArthur insisted this be written into the Japanese constitution after 1945, at least this was what my professor said in class many many years ago, because no sane human should have to read through the Japanese constitution.


I was under the impression that MacArthur fought to save the position of Emperor (as opposed to turning Japan into a republic) because the Japanese people wouldn't be able to handle not having an emperor for probably very racist reasons. That's part of why he kept Hirohito from being tried for war crimes.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Gonna be Kishida while LDP is the top party. Figuring that Koike's new regional party does clean up in the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly election, I have to imagine they springboard to some sort of national scale thing. 国民ファースト党? I think Koike's got an axe to grind with the LDP and for mainline LDPers the feeling is mutual, so I think reconciliation and merger is a long ways off at best. I think we could be seeing the beginning of a wave that wipes out the LDP. Though the thought of political parties getting replaced and destroyed makes me giddy so I'm probably wrong.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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mystes posted:

Argh. Renho had finally been giving me some hope for the DPJ.

Scuttlebutt is that it's gonna be Edano vs. Maehara in the new party presidential election and if Edano wins the conservative wing is gonna gently caress off and do something with Koike.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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punk rebel ecks posted:

I mean even factoring that in it still seems strange. Even American adventure novels and what not have a fair share of twenty something or even thirty somethings as protagonists.


Why do I get the feeling that you aren't joking?

食レポ is 90% of TV, easily

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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LimburgLimbo posted:

In the west most people would lie to say they've had sex though.

Also, in Japan, depending on the wording of the question people might not include patronizing prostitution in their answers, which would be another confounding factor as it's quite common in Japan.

All those 素人童貞 screwing up the stats

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Racist landlords are definitely a thing, but credit card companies profiling foreigners is reasonable. Most foreigners are short-timers and the risks of lending to them outweigh the benefits. See also: foreigners running out on unpaid cellphone bills when they go home. Definitely a tiny minority ruining it for everyone else, but I understand the calculation that the credit card companies are making. Once you've established some credit, you can get as many cards and other credit as you want with minimal trouble. I recommend Rakuten as a good gateway card since they don't ask for immigration status. Probably helps to use a driver's license instead of residency cars too.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Kilroy posted:

Funny story: I was a customer of NTT Docomo for nearly 14 years. When I moved back to the US and canceled my phone with them they charged me a ¥30,000 penalty for ending my contract early. Their rationale was that I had switched from the medium plan for minutes to the lower one, about 18 months earlier, so that counted as a new contract which I was breaking. (The contracts are for two years, but I think they are rolling and no matter what you're violating the terms of the agreement unless you cancel right at the end of the two years.) Never made a late payment, paid a shitload of money each month for unlimited data which is still like a novelty over there. Also, I wasn't on the hook for a phone or anything either, because I'd been using the same Nexus 4 for years, which I shipped from US.

14 years and that was the parting gift.

I paid it. But, ah, I wouldn't hold it against anyone who just said "gently caress this, you can't withdraw a bogus penalty from a bank account with no money in it - catch ya later, dickheads!"

Lol and goondolences. I bet talk about "excellent Japanese customer service" triggers you to this day. Company (and government) policies that refuse to consider the plight of folks that might leave the country one day are definitely a thing here.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Grouchio posted:

Setsumei shite kudasai.

Maehara is from the conservative wing of the Democratic Party. The party is going to go from having minimal ideological differences from the LDP to having zero ideological differences from the LDP. They're going to run on being more modest and circumspect than the LDP and evaporate like a fart in the wind. The remnants will roll into Koike's national party (whenever that forms) and maybe some new center-left party.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Koike's got her national party now: 希望の党 or "Party of Hope".

My instant reaction: good branding for a right-wing populist party that wants to be able to downplay how right-wing it is. That they avoided the obvious "Japan First Party" might be evidence of level of savvy that's been missing from the opposition parties since the LDP retook power. They could really do some damage. This all but ensures the destruction of the Democratic Party in my view.

Edit: Oh, and Abe's gonna dissolve the House of Representatives at the beginning of the extraordinary Diet session he's calling on the 28th. Election will be October 22nd.

Mr. Fix It fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Sep 25, 2017

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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https://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6255519
The Democratic Party may not even make it to the election. Maehara, the guy just elected party leader, has said he will run as an independent. There were reports earlier he was meeting with Koike to negotiate cooperation between DP and the Party of Hope, so my guess is that he failed in his bid to get his party to go along with it and is quitting the party because of that.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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shrike82 posted:

sounds like Koike wasn't interested anyway

Pardon me if I don't take her at her word. All the better to have that sound bite out there now that any agreement, along with the party that was the other half of it, is falling apart.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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shrike82 posted:

quote:

民進党の前原誠司代表は28日午前の党執行役員会で、衆院選に向け、小池百合子東京都知事が代表を務める新党「希望の党」に事実上合流する方針を示した。民進党候補の公認を希望に申請した上で、同党に判断を委ねる。午後の党両院議員総会で全議員に説明する。ただ、急な路線転換に党内は混乱しており、総会では反発も予想される。
 前原氏は執行役員会で、衆院選には比例代表を含め民進党公認候補を擁立しないと表明。同党の候補予定者について「希望の党に公認を申請するが、全員が認められるわけではない」と述べた。 
 前原氏は、選挙区で野党候補が乱立しては与党と戦えないとして、野党勢力が結集する必要性があると判断した。前原氏自身は希望の公認は得ず、無所属で出馬する意向だ。
 前原氏は26日夜に小池氏と会談し、「非自民」勢力結集のため協力したい考えを伝えた。小池氏は、民進党全体の受け入れを否定。一人一人の憲法観や安全保障への考え方を見極めた上で、希望の公認を与える方針だ。
 一方、柿沢未途元役員室長(衆院東京15区)は28日、離党届を提出した。希望の党に加わる意向だ。

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6255574

loving lol.

TL;DR/CRML: both the bit about DP working with PoH and Maehara running as an independent are true, though it seems that Koike and PoH give up absolutely nothing in the "deal".

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Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Badger of Basra posted:

So what are liberal voters going to do?

Vote for DP candidates that don't get Hope endorsements, vote for JCP, stay home

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