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Twelve by Pies posted:Though I guess the whole bias in Shu's favor has something to do with that too. Ah well.  Seriously, lately I have a hankering for Ravages of Time: Musou Edition! Case in point: Dian Wei (scroll down since the images at hosted at Imageshack) or Dong Zhuo literally running hundreds of officials and Imperial relatives over with the Emperor's chariot that he's pushing.Twelve by Pies posted:I'm more confused why Guo Huai got put in Jin instead of Wei, besides the fact that that's where he died in the story...that still seems an odd reason to put him there. Anyway I didn't think the Jin campaign in 7 was even that great. I mean it wasn't terrible, more stages are always great, but nothing really super interesting happened, it was just "random generic officer is revolting, Jiang Wei is invading again, repeat three or four more times." Chortles fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Dec 6, 2012 |
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:I thought maybe they should have done a perspective of Later Wu and Shu, but since history dictates that Shu is being led by a crazy suicidal Jiang Wei who wants to keep smashing his face into Wei and Wu is being led by senile Sun Quan getting drunk and ordering random people killed, it would expose the fact that Wei/Jin ultimately won and unified China through loving up the least. I will note, Policenaut, that Sima Zhao's character shift was after both his father and older brother died, leaving him to inherit the family legacy of "IMBECILES!" Seriously though, even more than "more" Jin, I'd want Ravages of Time: Musou Edition just for the sight of a cleaved-in-two Dian Wei clinging to Zhang Xiu's ankle and ordering his severed lower half to kick Zhang Xiu to death.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I've decided I don't care much for Guo Jia's English voice. I'm not sure if it's intentional or not but the dude sounds like he's got a bad cold or just got back from the dentist or something. The GIG posted:You shut your mouth.
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Jibo posted:Pokemon and historical hack 'n slash games? We're doomed! quote:OMG, it looks like a Final Fantasy game (0+ / 0-) quote:Chillingly, his favourite video game was said to be a shockingly violent fantasy war game called Dynasty Warriors which is thought to have given him inspiration to act on his darkest thoughts
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The best part about the Daily Kos piece (besides the reaction from someone who apparently had never heard of the series, who I quoted) is the reactions from "Kossacks" who do know the series:quote:DYNASTY WARRIORS?!?! (1+ / 0-) quote:You would think... (0+ / 0-) quote:Dynasty Warriors taught me more about (1+ / 0-)
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The GIG posted:I hope this means we get Sima Yan, or even if we don't at least have a level where the overthrow of Wei is playable. It was way too much of a cocktease when right after 7 ended it went "Oh yeah, Zhao's son started Jin right after all that junk you just did ended. But eh who needs to really see that?" The GIG posted:EDIT: And looks like they are still decloning the swords, with Zhao's being one that shoots shockwaves you can direct with different attacks. So looks like the only sword user without a new gimmick is Sun Quan. Of course.  EDIT: They're not done hitting this angle  quote:BRIAN KILMEADE, GUEST CO-HOST: I don't know. I'm not as smart as Charles Krauthammer. I don't have a schooling of him. I will say this, I will say that he knew how to smash his computers and his hard drive, he knew how to get body protection, he also played non-stop video games, "Dynasty Warriors," which I understand is an especially brutal game. And these parents go through hell, it breaks up marriages, the number is staggering. Chortles fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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Kreczor posted:I should have asked before buying it, is DW7:XL worth it? I don't think I've ever seen worse acting in a cutscene before. It's absolutely brutal! Every single one is just the most corny love-drama of all time!
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It's nice to see Air Musou attacks have some variety besides what had previously been basically jump charge "AOE centered on where you hit the ground" attacks, but I wonder if this one's going for a thematic/storytelling shift as well, or if the addition to Jin and corresponding plot changes (as well as reinterpreting all that came before them) in DW7 is as big of a change as we're going to see in this series.
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Suben posted:Extremely late on actually playing DW7 and hoooooly gently caress is Shu's story mode The Worst. Like I know they tend to get preferential treatment in the series and in the novel but DW7 seems to have ramped it up to obscene levels to the point where even the book would be like "dude, tone it down a bit would you". The Three Brothers are the greatest people ever and every officer of Shu is just oh so noble and purehearted but none moreso than Liu Bei who is far more good than Jesus Christ himself and if you so much as side glance at him then you're an irredeemably terrible person and Shu is so good that even their famously incompetent ruler Liu Shan is actually a beacon of righteousness. Also, Shu is powered by excessive amounts of benevolence and virtue. Suben posted:Meanwhile Wu is just going to slide more and more into irrelevance with each game and late era Wu and dudes like Lu Kang may as well not exist considering they're getting Lu Su and Han Dang if the leaked roster is true, and it's been right so far.  As for your overall point though... post-Yiling Wu might as well not exist in the novel thanks to the Shu vs. Wei focus, so I'm not sure how much there is for KOEI to work with, considering the very specific story that KOEI's writers seemed to want to tell in 7.Then again, considering how obviously the Jin story is a focus for DW7, I wouldn't be surprised if that was why the Shu story was so weak as to be almost self-parody.
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In fairness, Ma Dai's assassination of Wei Yan was after Zhuge Liang's death.
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Suben posted:Sun Jian is great but apparently DW8 is going to have What If scenarios so I'd imagine "Sun Jian not dying" would be one of them. Really hope they do some more to differentiate the Yellow Turban Rebellion stages between forces if only to have Sun Jian's deal where he climbs the walls of Wancheng himself leading his army into the city to gently caress the Turbans up. quote:Sun Jian: Well son, seems the men could use some help at the walls. But if we are to do this...
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Sodomy Non Sapiens posted:Just finished off the DW7 story mode. I have to say, after having to grit my teeth and force myself through the latter part of the Shu campaign listening to Jiang Wei bitch and moan every step of the way, being able to kick him in the face and then ride him around the battlefield like a surfboard repeatedly as Sima Zhao was remarkably cathartic.
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Policenaut posted:I'm pretty sure literally everything about HnK2 is just them making it up. Samurai Sanders posted:The weirdest thing about HnK for me is just how soon after the apocalypse it takes place, like ten years or so. What on earth were all those people doing back in the normal, modern Japan? Were all those guys with spiked shoulder pads and mohawks normal salarymen back then, or what? And were there people all over the modern world running around offing each other with super magic martial arts head exploding poo poo? I totally want to hear more about what life was like before the bomb in HnK world. Otherwise, Fist of the Blue Sky is the only one from Buronson himself.
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Belzac posted:These are actually the correct pronunciations. Pinyin (and Wade-Giles) are only approximations of how Chinese words/names would be spelled if they were in English. There are many sounds that just don't exist in both languages. For years we had COW COW, much to the chagrin of any Chinese person who happened to hear it. The finally fixed Cao Cao for DW 6 but missed a ton of other, less offensive names (like Sun Ce and Sun Quan). Finally for 7 we got all the names in the correct(ish) pronunciations and even the women with their names spelled correctly (Yueying instead of Yue Ying). Chortles fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jan 13, 2013 |
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DW7 for PC is JP-only it seems but it came with the Xtreme Legends content included as "Dynasty Warriors 7 with Xtreme Legends", and here's a look, and apparently there's an English patch!
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Here's hoping that this ends up being an available DLC option for the DW7E English release.
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:No clue, guessing they wanted something really different when they added him. Historically/Novel, there's nothing to suggest that he was all that stupid or primal. If anything a sort of arrogant type with personal ambition would probably fly better. Basically, Zhong Hui's characterization is probably more fitting.
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Belzac posted:Dian Wei is bald just to be different from the other characters. They do lots of stuff just to bring some clarity to each member of the cast.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I have a PC, but not a 360 or PS3 currently. 6 is the newest Dynasty Warriors I can get if I want it in English, correct? I'm doing a term paper on the Three Kingdoms period as represented in video games(teacher's idea, not mine, shockingly) for an Ancient Chinese History course I'm in, so I want to play the most recent one I can. Also any other suggestions on PC, Wii or PS2 Three Kingdoms themed games would be appreciated, I'm already including RotTK XI and Sango Fighter.
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Here's the Treasure Box edition! Game, OST, art book... and a LED crystal paperweight with colors for each kingdom. We've also got scans now for: Wen Yang and Zhuge Dan, Lianshi (Lady Bu) and Sun Quan, and Guo Jia, Jia Xu, Huang Zhong and Pang Tong. Chortles fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jan 23, 2013 |
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There definitely seems more variety in DW8's "same weapon type" movesets, which is nice if that's alongside the EX attacks which was previously the only character-specific variety in DW7 along with Musou Attacks... and the most LOL moment was to see Ling Tong's "rocket chainsaw lance". Not sure how I feel about Xiahou Yuan getting back the club with the bow only appearing for charge attacks, though I'm guessing that he can also get a bow as its own weapon... but is that Zhuge Liang with a persistent-energy-sphere for a Musou that allows him to perform regular combos? I think it is... while Sun Jian is continuing further along the path of Cool Dad(tm) I'm still disappointed how it seems everyone's new ultra attack ends in AOE knockback, but that's just because I want to chain those combos as high as I can and I dislike combo-breaking moves.
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Suben posted:Basically. I'm still irritated I'll never get a chance to play SW3 given that 2/2XL is my favorite Warriors game.
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The thing is that 7's English voice acting was at that point where they were still getting bits wrong (most noticeably zhong) but had gotten down the basics pretty damned well... it wasn't completely on yet not so off as to be hilarious.The GIG posted:To be fair, pretty sure Han Dang makes up for most of the pretty boys: Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, there is that, but like I said it's endemic across Japanese games, even ones that don't have very many female fans. It leads people to speculate that lots of Japanese devs just plain don't know how to make any other kind of character.
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Nier was a blatant case of "Japanese devs and what they believe Americans want to play as"... to the point that, quoting Sankaku Complex (COMPLETELY NSFW): "Square Enix actually made two games rather than have to risk releasing an insufficiently masculine lead to supposedly testosterone loving American audiences."...quote:Yoko: At first we were just doing the youthful protagonist version (which became “Replicant”), but Square Enix started taking talking about international markets during development. quote:The importance of “believability” is strongly emphasised in the North American market. I don't forget that Americans had also weird-rear end views of 1980s Japan when trying to "catch up to Japan", but the boldfaced part still strikes me as 
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The GIG posted:I really hope we get more interactions between those two, because they really were hilarious together. And since they're fleshing out Jin more they should give us more interaction between the Jin cast and Wei, mostly because things like Guo Huai's admiration for Yuan and Deng Ai's loyalty to Sima Yi sort of ring hollow when they don't really interact.
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5er posted:edit: all that being said, I wouldn't trade anything for the loving bizarre and entertaining 'friend' dynamic he has going in 7 with Xiaohou Yuan. Incidentally, I believe that 7 is also the first to acknowledge that the Xiahou cousins (Dun and Yuan) are Cao Cao's cousins? (Cao Cao's father was Xiahou Song, who was adopted into the Cao clan and became Cao Song.) Also learned over the weekend that Zhenji isn't a given name but rather "Lady Zhen" -- while the Chinese localizations of the games despite using the Japanese voice track that calls her that (as Shinki) use some of her folklore names such as Zhen Mi or Zhen Luo.
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Actually, in the novel both with the ambush from which he was killed and the ill-fated attack on Cao Cao's main camp after Wuchao he's depicted as correctly reading the situation but being overruled and ordered into trouble by an overconfident or strategist, while as I said before everyone's a mook at Changban except for Zhang He -- even allowing that Zhao Yun was burdened with Adou (Liu Shan), Zhang He alone forced Zhao Yun to flee instead of simply fighting his way past, and Zhao Yun only escapes on account of a deus ex machina; hell, before Wuchao Zhang He stalemates Zhang Liao in personal combat for a bit before Gao Lan and Xu Chu join in.
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SirPhoebos posted:As fun as reading Romance is (especially now that I have a sense of who many of the characters are), I'm really curious to read a more factual accounting of the Three Kingdoms era. I'm particularly curious about anything written recently. Incidentally, in describing the ancient country of Yamatai, the Wa people and its queen Himiko, it's apparently the oldest surviving historical document to make explicit mention of Japan -- and that's where we get Himiko from the Warriors Orochi series from.
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The funny thing is, I think the perception of Liu Bei as a less-than-helpful ally is actually brought up in RTK more than once, and I know that it definitely comes up at least once or twice in the 2010 live-action series -- "why invite him? Just look at the pile of 'allies' he's left behind!" Heck, I believe in the 2010 series Tao Qian is brought up as one of them, although an earlier episode does validate the official story. I'll agree re: Suben about the inherent biases of histories, and in the case of Sanguozhi that's before you read a Pei Songzhi-annotated edition and wind up with his own "biases by source selection".
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The GIG posted:Man, I would complain about Huang Gai getting a Brainbuster instead a more gonzo wrestling move, but then I remember that his second Musou is the Kinniku Buster and that makes up for everything. SirPhoebos posted:Man, I thought Liu Bei in Dynasty Warrior was a rube. His depiction in Romance makes the DW Liu Bei look Machiavellian. It doesn't help (re: the novel) that novel Zhuge Liang is, frankly speaking, a dick and some of his more famous moments from the novel are about being a dick (i.e. taunting Zhou Yu to aggravate his ulcer and his appearance at Zhou Yu's funeral)... and there's the circumstances surrounding Guan Yu's return after Chibi: if he needed Cao Cao alive as a deterrent against Wu as DW7 claims in the Shu story, he never bothered telling Guan Yu that part -- and at one point I remember him admitting to Liu Bei that he sent Guan Yu simply to keep him from whining about being left out... which, considering the forced "I swear to catch Cao Cao or my life is forfeit" oath, makes Zhuge Liang a major dick.
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SirPhoebos posted:I guess it depends on the scene, but I just got to the part where Lu Bu goes to him for refuge and literally the first thing Liu Bei does is offer him control of the province. It may also be that this is what was supposed to pass for "good guy" behavior in the time of the time that the "modern" incarnation of RTK (the Máo Lún and Máo Zōnggāng edit in the 1660s of the "original" 1330-1400 RTK by Luo Guanzhong)... but that we would view it as either ridiculous or, in my case, with an ulterior motive. Also, Sparking!!! 2659 CHAIN 
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SirPhoebos posted:Replaying Dw7 now that I got XL, particularly the Conquest mission "The Two Qiaos", makes me wish there was a similat mission for Liu Bei marrying Sun Shangxiang, with him quote:"Master, you must use the sword to take the veil off your bride if you wish to consummate the marriage."
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SirPhoebos posted:During the Wei campaign, I always found it strange that Cao Cao was all Ambivalent posted:I think that is sort of a trope of the Martial Romance genre - even bonds of blood or family are outmatched by the bond of comrades or a lord and his vassal etc. etc. Saith posted:It's much worse when it comes to Liu Bei, Zhao Yun and Liu Chan.
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Suben posted:My favorite part of VIRTUOUS SHU in DW7 is how it completely omits that the reason Zhang Fei's men killed him was because he was a physically abusive drunk who'd beat the poo poo out of them and they finally had enough of it. This one's more subtle, but I'm pretty sure that Zhang Fei subsequently stealing about a hundred and fifty horses that Lu Bu's officers had just bought was what first permanently cracked the Liu Bei/Lu Bu alliance... and this after Lu Bu's shot at the halberd to prevent the clash of Yuan Shu's army (under Ji Ling) against Liu Bei's army. Cue Zhang Fei blaming Lu Bu for "stealing" Xu Province in the first place with no mention of why Lu Bu had attacked in the first place.  Then again, I think novel Liu Bei is actually smarter (and ironically more self-serving) than DW Liu Bei.
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