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Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!



Ok, now I'm just confused since that's clearly a Grey Knight.

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Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


spootime posted:

Also, have any more details come out about the whole Dan Abnett NDA crazy game altering book thingy?
wait what oh god

I have heard literally nothing about this, and I'm not very up to date on Black Library things so don't know which of the spoiler tags from the preceding page are safe for me to reveal :ohdear:. Where is this coming from?

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Fried Chicken posted:

* a new tabletop game that he is spearheading the fluff for.

Come onnnnnn Dark Future 2nd Edition :pray:

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Its been a while since I actually picked up a 40K book, what's been released in the last 18 months or so that I should read?

Everything and anything by Abnett and ADB, I guess, but what else?

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Baron Bifford posted:

I don't understand how developing the world would hurt tabletop sales anyway. Do players care that much when playing the game?

The backstory has pretty much driven itself down a dead end - the whole 40K setting is set up as humanity teetering on the brink of all-out cataclysm and everything pointing towards a grand finale as the 42nd millenium dawns. It would be possible to advance the timeline but the writers would need to tread a fine line between doing enough to justify the effort but everything without turning the whole setting on its' head.

I've long said that advancing the timeline is something GW are better holding in their back pocket until they really need to do it and we're not there yet.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Henry Zhou hasn't had anything published since Blood Gorgon (either Black Library or anything else as far as can see) so I wonder whether the whole plagiarism thing has something to do with that.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Baron Bifford posted:

Abnett has given untouchables these "limiters" that can turn off their null-warp aura at the flick of a switch. I think a shortage of recruits is a more compelling reason that no one tried to found a Chapter with them.
That and particularly the failure rate of Space Marine induction. You don't want to piss 100 Untouchables up the wall for every Space Marine you get out of the other side of the sausage machine, you'd be better off leaving them as regular humans.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


VanSandman posted:

Haha wow, who wrote that? It sounds pretty drat terrible.

CZ Dunn

Also, it's "An Apocalypse Novel", whatever that means.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


jng2058 posted:

I did 13th Black Crusade, which is why I'm still a little bitter about the lack of resolution since then. I played a lot of Gothic back then, and put all my victories, both 40k and BFG, into the Cadia sector so when they did the results and were like "Well, Cadia's hosed but the Fleet are the heroes for trapping Chaos on Cadia!" that felt really good to me because it was like my little fleet actions mattered. I was saddened that Order lost over all, but I was looking forward to seeing the next campaign and where the story went from there.

Which never happened. And Eldraad stayed in the game despite getting his brain eaten by a Blackstone Fortress. And it seems like my fleet buddies did too good a job because Abaddon never left Cadia. And everything...just...stopped.

The Eye Of Terror campaign could have been the start of something cool but GW bottled it when they realised it might actually involve some work to represent the results in the backstory.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


AndyElusive posted:

Lexicanum lists The Emperor as a perpetual. If he's a perpetual then is it ever explained why he didn't just regenerate his wounds after his battle with Horus on the Vengeful Spirit at the Siege of Terra?

Doesn't perpetual just mean that they come back from the dead, rather than actively regenerating wounds? The thing with the Emperor and the Golden Throne is that they could just unplug it and let him die, and ok, maybe he'd be reborn.

Or maybe he'd just die and never come back, and the Imperium would collapse into flames.

Or maybe he'd come back, look at the mess that had been made of his grand project and purge everyone.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


PupsOfWar posted:

I haven't kept up with these things in a while (other than Abnett books), but I've got a dopey brother who insists on collecting every Horus Heresy novel, regardless of authorship or anticipated quality, and he's been wondering how much longer he'll be spending money on it.

I was this guy up until Nemesis.

Does your brother actually enjoy all the books, or is he reading them and saying "Well that was a load of poo poo....when is the next one out?"

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


I seem to remember Abnett making a blog post along the lines of "I've never really liked the Space Wolves so I'm really looking forward to writing Prospero Burns", so it stands to reason that he'd end up heavily reworking them from the way they were depicted beforehand.

Also Gav Thorpe left GW a few years back, though he's carried on writing for Black Library.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Shockeh posted:

And the understatement of the year award goes to....

In addition to what Improbable Lobster wrote, also add Ridley Scott's Alien/Aliens, Tolkein, the usual array of Star Wars & Co. and a healthy dose of the other early miniatures companies like Ral Partha.

Star Wars and Star Trek are influences in the sense that they were something to react against and go in the complete opposite direction.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Dick Trauma posted:

I enjoyed the Inquisition Wars (as strange as they were) and I thought some of those books were also quite early.

Inquisitor was released about a decade before Black Library was even created, so yeah, you could say that.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!



oh I see you thought he was joking.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Mikojan posted:

I'm halfway through Ian Watson's Spacemarine and I don't know what the gently caress I'm reading but I love it.

some highlights: (somewhat spoilery I guess)
Space marines farting in eachothers faces
an emperor titan flipping a bunch of warlords off, like literally giving them the finger
some weird mosaic of poo poo goblets being worshipped by imperial fists as if its the holiest thing after the golden throne
and arm-less, leg-less blood drinker marine with his rear end encased in lead trying to convince other marines he can still be of use
ITS BIFFING TIME


This book is great and I can't wait what other crazy poo poo is going to happen.

Space Marine is batshit bonkers awesome because it was written before the 40K setting was really nailed down, so Watson could just go nuts without much restriction.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

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and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


PantsOptional posted:

Surprise, Motherfuckers by Ian Watson.

:vince:

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

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and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Cythereal posted:

They're usually called Techmarines. There's more than one example in the fluff of Techmarines inventing and innovating new technology and vehicle designs that the AdMech only reluctantly gave the approval stamp to after the design spread among half the Astartes without their approval, the Land Raider Crusader being the most prominent such innovation.

Basically in the AdMech as a whole if tinkering and innovating produces something useful and the guy doing it has the political clout to not get nailed to the wall for doing so then usually the authorities will retroactively approve it.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Baka-nin posted:

Well the Archers has been on going since the 50's so yeah, pretty much.

Not sure there's all that much crossover between the Radio 4 audience and the Black Library fans though.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Big Willy Style posted:

The biggest drawbacks are the pots. I had an unopened chardon granite that I was saving because it is a rad colour to paint base edges with. Crack the seal and it is dried. I want to peg it at my local GW stores managers dumb seppo face

How dried? Most of my dried up paints have been at least temporarily salvageable with a few drops of water and a poke/stir with a toothpick.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Schizotek posted:

So whats this I hear about the Fantasy setting "ending"? I read the Gotrek/Felix books when I was younger, and although I'm sure they're terrible, I feel kinda invested in that storyline.

There's some wacky 'End Times' mega arc going through at the moment where the existing WHFB setting is being torn up in a massive apocalyptic war between Nagash and the Chaos Powers and everyone else you can think of. Nobody really knows outside of GW where they're going with it but the assumption is the setting is being rebooted in some form for 9th Edition (if there is a 9th Edition, its also possible that GW will drop the tabletop game and farm the IP out to video game publishers completely since it accounts for such a small portion of model sales).

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Ghost of Babyhead posted:

Amazon has a listing for this:

I initially read that as 42nd Millennium and made this face :stare:

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Sandweed posted:

I wish i hadn't know it was Eversor.

Yeah. The story owned and it would have owned even more if I hadn't known the background from earlier in the thread.

Spring this on an unsuspecting audience and glorious things will happen.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


WHFB was a tiny enough fraction of GW's sales that they could afford to fundamentally mess it up and give no fucks when it died in a fire.

They're not going to look at the horrific flop that is AoS and say "hey let's do the same with 40K what can go wrong".

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


bunnyofdoom posted:

I have my fingers crossed for FFG personally, from how x-wing and Armada run.

And they've generally done a decent job with the parts of the 40k/WFB IP they have touched to date.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Zaphod42 posted:

I'm looking to read something more about the day-to-day of life for Chaos, especially living in the warp and managing troops and stuff like that if any such thing exists.

Most of the 40k books I've read have to do with the space marines, inquisition or imperial guard. I'm not as into reading about the activities of aliens, although they're okay as antagonists depending.

What should I check out?

Night Lords?

I read half of Storm of Iron and I should probably go finish it.

As well as the previous responses there's Pawns Of Chaos which is mostly written from the perspective of a backwater feral world resisting Imperial rule. It's been out of print forever though.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


One Legged Cat posted:

Also would recommend Eye of Terror; it has a different feel than most of the newer BL entries, yet still manages to feel solidly 40k-ish, and might be the most imaginative book about how strange life inside the warp/Eye of Terror is that I've read.
Eye of Terror has the same bonkers crazy awesome feel as Ian Watson's trilogy and everyone should read it (this is a recurring theme that - shockingly - the 40k novels written by people with a track record in other sci-fi settings are much more interesting than the bolter porn churned out by in-house writers). There was an equally crazy-sounding sequel in some stage of writing that was never released and from the supposed story outline available here I understand why since it was basically turning the 40k setting inside out, but it does sound like a fun book if it had ever been published.

Roller Coast Guard fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Mar 16, 2016

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

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and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!



Pretty sure it was Henry Zou.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

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and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Games Workshop's lawyers are used to throwing out dubious lazy C&Ds to scare fansite webmasters, I'm not even sure they'd know where to start with seemingly legit claims against an entity like Marvel.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

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and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Wax Dynasty posted:

There's the Priests/Lords/Gods of Mars trilogy by Graham McNeill, which is very good. Read those for sure.

McNeill also did a sort of stand alone Horus Heresy novel about the AdMech called Mechanicum, which is pretty good.

As far as Skitarii go, there is one book I know of that focuses exclusively on them - Skitarius by Rob Sanders. Don't read it, it's terrible, and I'm usually a big fan of whatever Sanders writes for BL.

Titanicus?

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Mr.48 posted:

So after a long break from reading 40k fiction I got the itch again and ordered the Soul Drinkers omnibus and the first Blood Angels omnibus. Please tell me about what a horrible mistake I made.

The Soul Drinkers series is patchy at best - I liked the premise and some of the bolter porn sequences are nicely done but the overall story is an unconvincing mess.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Arcsquad12 posted:

If you were going to invade a planet the size of contemporary earth with simultaneous attacks across the globe, you are looking at hundreds of millions of guardsmen at the bare minimum, and you can forget about those numbers if it is a hive world.

Not every 40k planet is an all-encroaching sprawling hive populated by billions though. If you're dropping on a world where virtually the entire surface is given over to food production with a few maintenance workers keeping everything ticking over, or there's no atmosphere and the whole population lives in one or two sealed structures, or the hives are all reliant on a single geothermal power source at the pole, or heck, just the economics of the local space mean that the planet is a backwater and colonisation never really expanded beyond a small proto-hive at the original landing site, you can absolutely take control with a few thousand guardsmen and an orbital bombardment or two in the right locations.

That, and there's the more practical explanation that the proles at the bottom of the ladder don't know or care anything about what goes on beyond their little corner of their planet and so when a load of Guard roll into town in Chimeras they aren't going to fight a brutal resistance to the death, they'll shrug and point and say 'governors palace is 20 clicks that way, now gently caress off and leave me and my cattle alone'

Roller Coast Guard fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Oct 5, 2016

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Gravitas Shortfall posted:


Now someone convince Chuck Tingle to write 40k fanfic.
Pounded By The Primarch

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


lite_sleepr posted:

Geez how would the modern imperium react to a 30k primarch returning? Abject reverence or some hostile, cautious optimism.

Burning at the stake.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Arcsquad12 posted:

What happens to guardsmen who aren't KIA but are too wounded to continue fighting? I know that augmetics and cloned limbs are used depending on how well funded a regiment is, but someone who is broken mentally or paralyzed by a severed spine? What would happen to them? Commissars execute people for dereliction of duty in combat, but ptsd is almost never addressed. I doubt regiments can just send invalids back home. Would they mercy kill them, or repurpose them into servitors?

As with so many things in the Imperium, I expect the answer is "It Depends". If they are maimed during a successful campaign to take or retake a world I imagine something would often be set up by the inhabitants of that world as part of their display of gratitude/penance. Regiments from relatively affluent and civilised worlds would likely have some means of retiring their irreparably damaged heroes to some sort of sanctuary, whilst those with more rough backgrounds likely say a prayer for them and deliver the Emperor's Mercy or farm them off to the AdMech or Guard in some degree of Servitorship/Penal Batallion. Those who are physically broken but still mentally able to serve can be wired up as vehicle or other machinery crews like a more mundane version of Dreadnoughts.

However the Rule Of Loose End Tidying dictates that in any printed story they recover their wits and bodies just well enough to sacrifice themselves in some glorious last stand.

Roller Coast Guard fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 19, 2017

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Waroduce posted:

Also, maybe papa smurf gods traitor???!! Or like unaligned? Not chas, not imperial, just independent do my own thing

Gulliman is a Daemon Prince of Malal :pwn:

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Those flowing locks are just begging to get pinched and yanked in between two overlapping pieces of the armour or a servo.

Gonna assume her arms and legs only go as far as the elbows and knees of the suit and there is some sort of equivalent neural control interface for movement even if it isn't a Black Carapace.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Isn't it missing the point a little talking about the physical characteristics of Primarchs? The impression given by the HH books is that they principally exist as boiling vortices of barely constrained psychic energy with their physical bodies existing mostly as an afterthought.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Just finished Damnation of Pythos, and man. The Iron Hands are just straight up fascists. Like, more so than any other marine chapter.

It's kinda hard to escape fascism when you literally are a Nietzschein Uberman.

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Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Arquinsiel posted:

The new Star Wars novels range from alright to great. James Luceno seems to be that playground's ADB.

There are new Star Wars novels?

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