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hopterque posted:Yeah I'm not sure why anyone still thinks the Tau are particularly good. Xenology explicitly spells out that the Ethereals were created by the Eldar to control the Tau through pheromone-based mind control organs derived from an insectoid alien species. Exactly why is left unclear, of course. One of the factors that does let the Tau behave as a nicer, kinder, more enlightened group than the Imperium is the fact that they don't have to worry about Chaos. They can afford to be nicer because they pay no price for not doing so. The Inquisition and the Black Ships are horrible and brutal, but if they aren't around, rogue psykers run wild and then you've got demons rampaging through your population. Since the Tau essentially don't have a Warp presence, don't produce psykers, and aren't targets for possession, they can ignore this whole issue.
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# ¿ Jul 25, 2013 15:29 |
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# ¿ May 5, 2024 07:28 |
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I tried to re-read the Night Lords trilogy a little while ago, and gave up on it. Not that it isn't well-written, because it most definitely is, but because the protagonists are so irredeemably evil that I couldn't get through it a second time. I finished it the first time because I wanted to find out what happened, and every fight they got into, I just wanted them all to die, despite how well-characterized they were. ADB is a great writer, but I hope his upcoming Chaos-oriented books focus on characters who are motivated by something more than simple desire to torture people to death.
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# ¿ Aug 23, 2013 20:02 |
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Nephilm posted:I think it's a fair assessment to not enjoy ADB's Night Lord books because the protagonists being evil, but yeah, "motivated by something more than simple desire to torture" is the opposite of what the book aims (and succeeds) to portray - they're complex individuals with diverse personalities and motivations, for the most part clinging to what gives them a sense of identity. What you're saying mirrors the position Talos holds, but every other Night Lords character in the books is quite emphatic about him being wrong. Talos may think there's some greater goal to his deeds, while the rest don't try to disguise that they do it for pure enjoyment. And I never accused them of being one-dimensional torture machines, they're clearly three-dimensional torture machines.
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# ¿ Aug 25, 2013 19:11 |
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Khizan posted:IIRC, it went like this: Prospero Burns also has its absolutely brilliant long-con plot twist, with the whole concept of Ibn Rustah being planted among the Wolves with the goal of making them think he's a puppet of Magnus, when in fact he's a sham puppet of Chaos itself, so that when Russ tries to communicate with Magnus through him, he gets no reply to his last-chance offer of surrender. All that work getting him where he needed to be, and it paid off perfectly.
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# ¿ Aug 30, 2013 22:33 |
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Nephilm posted:(re: Space Wolf geneseed carrying canine genetic components) It is explicitly stated in Deliverance Lost.
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# ¿ Oct 6, 2013 17:18 |
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VanSandman posted:I will read then subsequently mock all fanfiction submitted to me... then I will offer up my bad writings in response. The ASOIAF thread does it, why not us? Back in the day, there was 40K fanfiction in the ASOIAF thread
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# ¿ Nov 15, 2013 01:28 |
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I wrote it. Glad you enjoyed it, it was in truth tremendously fun to write. I need to get back into writing.
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# ¿ Nov 15, 2013 01:39 |
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I think it's actually a slight variation on what you say. For both the psyker and the sorcerer, their power itself is derived from the Warp (even for Fenrisian psykers), but the psyker manipulates that power using their own will, whereas the sorcerer uses a daemon to assist them. In A Thousand Sons it was made very clear that the Thousand Sons were sorcerers, because their "Tutelaries" were straight-up daemons. That's a good point about the Sons being the teachers for the other legions' Librarians, and thus the concern for widespread corruption.
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# ¿ Nov 16, 2013 00:07 |
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^^^ It was indeed a Dark Heresy tie-in, and you can practically hear the dice rolling during some of the sequences. The characters are all archetypes straight out of the rulebook's classes section, too. Despite this, they weren't awful, although they did seem kind of lazy. Mitchell gives me the impression that he could write better stuff, but instead just goes Have to say that I prefer his characterizations of the Adeptus Mechanicus more than anyone else's, though. They are absolutely perfect. Also, I encountered the word "clavier" at work today. I may have uttered a wet leopard-growl.
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# ¿ Nov 17, 2013 03:27 |
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hopterque posted:Uh, there were "wolves" before Leman Russ came, remember that humans had been living there for ages before Leman Russ came in the early imperium/pre crusade years. Yes, it's exactly this. Fenris was settled during the Dark Age of Technology, and the genetic engineers of that time created the Canis Helix to give the settlers the ability to survive in that very harsh environment. For a portion of the recipients, the Helix caused them to turn into wolves, or possibly give birth to wolves, that isn't specified (for good reason ). But regardless, the wolves are descended from human settlers who overexpressed the Canis Helix, not from failed Marine recruits - those are the Wulfen.
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# ¿ Jan 12, 2014 14:01 |
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Clockwork Rocktapus posted:At this threads high recommendation I've picked up and have started reading the Ciaphas Cain novels. Can someone give me a primer on the Tau? Most of the other races in 40k seem bent on destruction or are just omega dicks but the Tau don't seem too bad from what I've seen in Cain. Are they also secretly dicks? The Tau can't really be said to be anything, considering their whole society is a puppet of the Eldar. In their codex, it's described that they were an extremely warlike and self-destructive species in their pre-modern era, to the point that they brought themselves to the brink of extinction in the equivalent of the late-Renaissance/early gunpowder era. At that point, the Ethereals popped into existence, seemingly from thin air, and the Tau became a unified, cohesive, progress-oriented culture overnight. The book Xenology explains that the Ethereals are a creation of the Eldar, and that they're mind-controlling the rest of the Tau through some kind of pheromonal that the Eldar stole from a race of sentient insectoids at the far edge of the galaxy. So really, the Tau do whatever the Eldar want them to. And everyone knows how considerate the Eldar are of other species when something they care about is at stake. Farsight and his followers being the exception, of course, as long as they manage to stay away from any Ethereals.
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# ¿ Jun 15, 2014 15:33 |
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Spuckuk posted:I can't be the only one who thought the Night Lords trilogy was kinda..lovely. I disagree about Talos and his crew being one-note, but I have to mostly concur. It wasn't that the writing was lovely, so much as the book made me feel like a lovely person for reading it. It was like reading a story about a very personable and often hilarious band of einsatzgruppen rampaging on the Eastern Front. Yes, I know it's silly escapist fiction, but still, Talos et al. are very evil.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 07:23 |
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I've written some vignettes (or very short short stories, I dunno how best to classify them) in the 40K setting, focusing mostly on absurdity played straight and dark humor. There is a noticeable lack of bolters. Would anyone be interested in me posting these here? I want to write some more, and getting some feedback would help provide motivation.
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# ¿ Nov 9, 2014 00:30 |
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jadebullet posted:I wouldn't mind reading them. Alright, here's the first one. quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. No, I don't mean the Monsignor Jeremias, not directly; he deserved every bit of the madman's reputation he earned, sure, but he never scared me on a personal level. I never even met him, not face-to-face, just saw him at times when he delivered his addresses, and he, no doubt, had not the slightest idea that I even existed.
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# ¿ Nov 9, 2014 03:01 |
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FrantzX posted:A Dark Elder slumming on a Rogue Trader ship as a doctor, just for the novelty of it? Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind. Not the most groundbreaking concept, but I took it and ran with it. jadebullet posted:I like it. I didn't really get as much of a Dark Eldar vibe from it, as much as I did an Eldar Corsair feel. He seems more arrogant than sadistic. Plus, I doubt that a Dark Eldar could sustain themselves on that little pain. He's a Dark Eldar, I just have no desire to write any truly sadistic stuff. He is meant to be a paragon of arrogance, though, and I do appreciate the feedback! Here's another one: quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. On one of the Monsignor Jeremias' voyages into uncharted space, he'd set aside even more of his sanity than was usual for him, and hired an alien to replace the recently retired chief physician of the ship, Doctor Bisko. I don't know how he'd come into contact with the alien, nor what he'd promised him as payment, but it was enough to make the creature take the bargain. I had been Bisko's assistant, and so the alien inherited me, along with a fully equipped medicae suite and the role of chief trauma surgeon. I can't tell you his name, and I do mean can't, not won't - I was never able to pronounce those vile xeno syllables. For lack of a better name, I called him Doc Eldar. I'm posting these in the order they were written, but the writing was fairly spaced out, I didn't knock these out one after another.
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# ¿ Nov 9, 2014 04:02 |
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Thank you all, glad you're enjoying. If you have any specific commentary on the stories, my writing, or how to improve it, I'd be glad to hear it. Here's another one:quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. This was during the time I served on the ship of the Monsignor Jeremias, but I'm not referring to the Monsignor himself; he was just as mad as you've heard, I can guarantee that, but it was one of his...employees, I suppose is accurate...that was the source of my fear. After the retirement of Doctor Bisko, the Monsignor needed a trauma surgeon. What he got was an alien. A humanoid alien who was without question the most effective physician I've ever seen - and the last one I'd want working on me, in all but the most dire of situations. Being unable to pronounce the syllables of his xeno name, I called him Doc Eldar. Before I post any more I'll need to do some writing. I've got two more of these stories written, but both need a little touching up, and I think I want to write something totally fresh before going back and redoing them.
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# ¿ Nov 10, 2014 03:33 |
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Again, thank you all for your feedback. I'm getting started on another little story right now, I may not finish it tonight but I'll at least knock out a chunk of it. MrNemo posted:Just chiming in to say keep going with the Doc Eldar stories if you've got more. Slice of life type stories are some of the most shorts in the 40K universe. You're making me wish I had the talent and patience to actually try writing some Alterna-K stories with a happy Imperium. One of the stories I've written (and won't post just yet because I need to redo it a bit) is very slice-of-life and does some exploring into the kind of cultural practices that might develop among the Adeptus Mechanicus. Using Doc Eldar and his assistant as a window onto such things is very much part of my aim. Arquinsiel posted:Please post more, and consider contacting GW with samples of your work. Is this possible? I thought GW was a really insular company and didn't take submissions. If it is, I totally will try, it'd be hilarious if I got published. I wouldn't even care if they paid, just having my name on something published would be awesome.
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# ¿ Nov 11, 2014 01:36 |
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Arquinsiel posted:It is such a loving shame that it ruled out being able to enter Doc Eldar Aw man. I haven't been online much in the past couple of weeks and missed this, but when I saw the link I thought of this too. But welp. On the upside, I do have a brand-new Doc Eldar story for those of you who are interested. quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. When I say terrifying, I don't mean the distant, impersonal sense of terror that you might expect to feel for someone much further up the chain of command; it's true that I had a vague fear of the shipmaster, the Monsignor Jeremias, but that's only natural when someone has the power to end your career - or worse - at a whim. But Jeremias never struck fear into me face-to-face, since I spent the whole of my time on his ship without encountering him in person. No, I was scared of my immediate superior, the chief surgeon of the ship - both because he paired consumate surgical skill with hideous cruelty, and because he wasn't human. Why a xeno would want to serve as surgeon on a rogue trader's ship, I do not know, but he did. His name was a polysyllabic tangle, which I was consistently unable to reproduce. I called him Doc Eldar.
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# ¿ Dec 18, 2014 12:36 |
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Thank you all for your encouragement, I love feedback on my work. If you have any specific suggestions for how I may improve my writing, I'd be happy to hear those as well. What I'm starting to do as I write these is use them as a window onto everyday life in the 40K setting, that's why I included the food tangent. Right now, I have another story written that's essentially ready to post, another that is written but that I don't want to post yet, and I've got a couple of ideas for further stories to write. Honestly, the idea of Deathwatch shenanigans as was mentioned a page ago is really tempting, but it will be hard to square against some already-written content. And I've got another idea I've been chewing on for a long time that plays straight with an even more absurd premise. But I'm also interested in any ideas or suggestions any of you might have, if there's a scene or idea you want me to focus on.
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# ¿ Dec 19, 2014 01:25 |
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Umiapik posted:Lost it at this line. I'd happily read a novel's worth of this poo poo: you should totally quit your job and start writing full-time on here, so I can read it. Glad to hear you enjoyed; I actually really love my job and wouldn't quit it, but I will keep writing and posting, most definitely. There's actually a couple of longer stories not involving Doc Eldar that I want to write, but right now they are just story seeds in my mind, I haven't developed them to any degree. I've also got some more ideas for Doc Eldar, of course. Here's a story that I wrote a while ago, it's more of an exploration of what could be possible in 40K societies than whacky hijinks, but I really enjoyed writing it: quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. He - at least, I always assumed he was a he, although to be truthful I never explicitly asked about it - wasn't human. Humanoid, sure, enough to pass as a human, as long as you were half-blind and didn't notice his ears, or his eyes, or his teeth, or the way he moved. But human he was most definitely not, as any interaction with him would quickly prove. For the unfortunate majority of people who did interact with him, it was from the position of one of his patients, since he'd been hired by the Monsignor Jeremias as the ship's chief of trauma surgery. As his orderly and principal assistant, I was one of the few members of the crew who interacted with him regularly. Despite working with him on a daily basis, the pronunciation of his xeno-language name forever escaped me. I called him Doc Eldar. I really love the Mechanicus, and the opportunities for storytelling they represent. There're so many ways they could be developed other than "people who really want to act like robots," and the great thing about 40K is that it's such a big setting that all of the different possibilities can exist simultaneously with no contradition whatsoever.
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# ¿ Dec 21, 2014 01:35 |
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Really happy that you all are enjoying the stories. To be honest, I don't have the first idea about how I'd go about finding an agent. And even if I did know, I'm not sure I would want to do it - I'd be thrilled to have my stories reach a larger audience, absolutely, but I don't care about being paid for it, and I really don't want to deal with schedules and deadlines, I think that would hurt my enjoyment of the writing process. My job doesn't give me much free time as it is. That said, I'm planning to start work on another story, and there are three candidates that I have ideas for, each with a different tone. I'd like your input on which one I should do first. One is a piece focused mostly on exploring the setting, like the most recent one, this one dealing with the menials among the crew. The second is the idea that was proposed earlier, of Doc Eldar "versus" the Deathwatch (this is going to be tricky to write, because the Deathwatch themselves have to be kept offscreen from the narrator, but I have some ideas). And the third one is full-on whacky hijinks, in which the narrator meets a kindred spirit as it is revealed that Jeremias is not the only shipmaster insane enough to hire a xeno physician
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# ¿ Dec 24, 2014 03:36 |
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:I had a shower thought. If space marines rib cages are fused into a solid mass of bullet proof bone during the implant process, and they're given a third lung during the same process, then how do they breathe without intercostal ligaments? Without the flexibility afforded by flexible bones and intercostal spaces, are their chest cavities cavernous enough to allow for the expansion of three respirating lungs along with their primary and secondary hearts? The answer is almost certainly that the overwhelming majority of people who write 40K content aren't medical professionals.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2015 14:12 |
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Pistol_Pete posted:A classic of Western literature that will still be being read in 100 years. It makes me very happy to see that people are still reading that story. It also reminds me that I need to write some more. It's been way too long since the latest Doc Eldar piece.
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 03:24 |
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Waroduce posted:Guys the Ahriman books are real fuckin good btw if ur lookin for something to read. I read the Ahriman books and wasn't impressed at all. The author tried too hard to make the books run at a crescendo pace from start to finish, and it had the opposite effect and turned them into a slog to read. The description of the Wolves was pretty good, but on the other hand, controlled time travel, the worst plot device an author can pull out. Yes, ships leaving and departing the Warp in a non-linear fashion is well established, but Ahriman had control over it, which I believe has always been an off-limits thing. The only other really explicit time travel that I can recall in a 40K book was the three-sided door in Ravenor, and the characters clearly didn't have control over that. Firstborn posted:If Miles Cameron hasn't written for Warhammer Fantasy yet, he should. Try his book The Red Knight. It's like Warhammer with the numbers filed off. Amazing gore-soaked fights with super detailed arms, armor, and tactics. A complex magic system based on a more metal version of catholic holy man stuff where Jesus uppercuts evil, and a refreshingly interesting look at how to be an rear end in a top hat on the sly with chivalry and get in barbs on your frenemies while bowing in their face and smirking underneath your helmet. It owns. Cameron owns hard, but I'd place his historical fiction (written as Christian Cameron, for some reason, as opposed to Miles Cameron for his fantasy stuff) well above The Red Knight, which I think is probably his weakest work. Try "Alexander: God of War," which is a self-contained novel about Alexander the Great. It not only has serious battle scenes, but also some moments of philosophy and clever writing that really struck home for me. He'd be an awesome Warhammer/40K writer if he got interested in the setting. Kylaer fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jun 20, 2015 |
# ¿ Jun 20, 2015 15:14 |
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Gameko posted:I really like the fluff around the Skaven and I'm wondering...are any of the Thanquol books worth reading? Any Skaven books in general? Werner's Thanquol trilogy isn't all that well written, the plots are kind of threadbare and none of the secondary characters were memorable at all, but Thanquol himself is one of the most hilariously written characters I've ever read about. Werner does an amazing job of capturing the mindset of a paranoid schizophrenic, and it is awesome. I would definitely read them.
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# ¿ Jul 12, 2015 01:56 |
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victrix posted:You have not mislead me, Black Library thread. Night Lords was real good ya'll. I'm not a fan of the Ahriman books at all. They have a few interesting sequences here and there, but they're mostly a slog to read.
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# ¿ Jul 18, 2015 02:33 |
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SavTargaryen posted:Shakespire comes up a couple times in Unremembered Empire, yeah. I think some of the other Rogal Dorn stuff, too. Dude's a huge nerd. There was another reference to Shakespeare, in Prospero Burns, where someone proudly informed the main character (during a flashback, before his journey to Fenris) that his team had successfully reconstructed the fourth of Shakespeare's plays, and that the collection was now complete. I like that kind of reference, one that uses something real to illustrate the differences between our world and the 40K setting. Just dropping names of famous things isn't as interesting, although having a translated Voynich Manuscript is quite clever. Speaking of weird references in Prospero Burns. There was a flashback scene where the protagonist found a tomb with religious statues in it, and then some Thousand Sons marines came in and made everyone leave and presumably investigated the site themselves. Is that scene supposed to tie into anything? Because it seemed like something that would come up again, but it never did that I could determine.
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# ¿ Aug 4, 2015 20:03 |
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Alright, after way, way too long, I've finally got back to writing Doc Eldar. Today has been very productive, and I'm not done yet, but I've reached a good break point and thought I could post what I've already finished. For those of you who are interested, here it is:quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. You've had some scary superiors in your life, I expect, but trust me, this one was unlike any you've ever encountered - unless you've worked for an alien, and I strongly doubt that you have. Out of all the people I've met, or even heard of, there's only one I know who can claim to have shared an equivalent experience. Not working for the same boss, we each had our own, and our paths only crossed once. I would not have wanted to switch places with him, but I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to take my job either - which consisted of working for the Monsignor Jeremias' chief medical officer, the xeno whose name I could never pronounce. I called him Doc Eldar. And as for what the second part is going to involve, I had mentioned this story earlier, described like this: Kylaer posted:And the third one is full-on whacky hijinks, in which the narrator meets a kindred spirit as it is revealed that Jeremias is not the only shipmaster insane enough to hire a xeno physician Kylaer fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 5, 2015 |
# ¿ Aug 5, 2015 20:39 |
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And here's the other half! Glad you're enjoying, let me know your thoughts!quote:There was a faint clicking noise transmitted through the hull, as the ship made a perfect four-point touchdown. Doc Eldar stripped the control rig off his hands and was down the ladder in a matter of heartbeats; I followed, still feeling a bit wobbly from adrenaline. The air outside the ship was harsh with smoke, but just as heavy was the smell of fire-retardant foam, and I hadn't seen any flames on our approach, so I figured the scene itself should be safe. It feels really good to write again. I have a lot of free time until the end of the month, so I want to get a fair bit more writing done while I have the opportunity. If anyone has suggestions or requests for things they'd like to see in future stories, I'd be happy to incorporate them, I like working with audience suggestions.
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# ¿ Aug 6, 2015 04:06 |
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Arquinsiel posted:Dok Gitskragga doesn't feel quite like an modern, 3rd ed onwards, Ork to me, but it's still great. A bit more fonetik spellin' might help with that. The anaesthetic thing and the journals is particularly jarring though, what with Ork Painboyz just having a big mallet handy for that normally, so maybe the spirit of that scene could be saved while further fitting the expectation by a "wherez yer big hammer?" line or something. No, I appreciate the nitpicking, all kinds of feedback help improve my writing. I actually don't know any Ork dok fluff except some half-remembered stuff from the 1st Edition rulebooks, and I do believe they had syringe-squigs with all kinds of medicines back then, but I'll rework that line a bit. The medical journals thing doesn't fit the rest of the character, it's true, so that will also get changed a bit. I just love the idea of Gitskragga giving Doc Eldar poo poo about not following standards and then grafting an arm onto someone's leg, but I can do that in a slightly different fashion. The fonetik spelling, though, was something I considered and then decided against. It's not fun to write and (for me, at least) it's not fun to read, either. I'd rather let the reader give characters their own voice, although I do try to keep speech patterns consistent for given characters (Doc Eldar, you may have noticed, never uses contractions). berzerkmonkey posted:It wasn't necessarily a bad idea, but there was no reasoning behind it, other than "The Cabal wanted to." If Abnett had explained the reasoning behind it, I don't think it would be so reviled by people. I could swear that it is stated in the book that the Cabal was trying to prevent humanity from overcoming their own internal divisions and uniting, and that's why the assassin guy killed these various people throughout history. Did I just make this up?
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# ¿ Aug 6, 2015 15:41 |
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For those of you who like the Doc Eldar stories, I'm going to start working on my next one. However, there's something else that I can offer, if you want. I've written a story that I haven't shared yet, and the reason is that it's chronologically the final story (it was written fourth). I'm going to keep writing regardless, but if you want to read the ending now, I will be happy to post it. Unlike the other stories, which just have numbers, this one has its own title, which is "Last Night On Call."
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2015 18:00 |
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Arquinsiel posted:To be fair, I kind of see this as the narrator offloading to some poor kid who just wanted a night out but got grabbed by the old SpaceCoot at some bar in downtown Vervunhive twenty years on from him quitting the fleet or whatever. Go right ahead, dodgy timeframes makes sense for a drunk old guy. Alright, here it is. Let's see how it matches up with your expectations. It's too long to fit in one post, so it'll be split. quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. It's not a story I enjoy telling. The boss I'm referring to was an alien, a hireling of the Monsignor Jeremias, who was no particularly stable individual himself, even for a rogue trader. What motivated the Monsignor to offer the xeno a contract, I have not the slightest clue, other than that he needed a trauma surgeon...and the alien was, with total honesty, the most skillful surgeon I'd ever seen. At the same time, he was perhaps the worst doctor, due to a stunning disregard for the suffering experienced by his patients. His idea of an anesthetic was telling the patient to hold still. It was a testament to his skill level that this was usually enough to let him accomplish his work...and when it wasn't, he would inject paralytic. The alien had a name, but I never learned to pronounce it properly. I called him Doc Eldar.
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# ¿ Aug 17, 2015 16:44 |
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Second part:quote:The figure was tall - not tall on the typical human scale, as the xeno was, but head and shoulders above this. Its frame was enormous, three or four times as bulky as a normal man, encased in armor that enlarged it even further. The armor was hideous, with barbs and spikes lining its edges, painted in a mixture of garish colors where it wasn't splattered with blood. In the center of its chest plate, a golden aquila shone, the one thing of recognizable beauty about the figure - made all the worse by the horror surrounding it. I can share some of the thought process that I went through in writing this, if people are interested, and as always, I love hearing your feedback.
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# ¿ Aug 17, 2015 16:45 |
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Thank you! The assistant was previously never specified to be male or female, if you look back you'll see there's never a clue either way, I was careful about that. I hadn't initially planned on that being a twist, but somewhere along the way I got the idea. I always planned on Doc Eldar dying; it's a 40K story, if there isn't tragedy then it doesn't suit the setting. I was actually influenced by the movie The Prestige, which beats the audience over the head with the principle that a magic trick has three parts: show the audience something, take it away, and bring it back. This made me think about all the classic fictional examples of characters dying and coming back, Gandalf and Aslan being the first two to come to mind - their deaths are meant to take the audience by surprise, and then their subsequent return is also meant to be a surprise. Of course, this idea has been so heavily used that by now, the audience expects dead characters to return, thus the shock value of stories where main characters die and don't come back, as in the Song of Ice and Fire books. So when I went to write Last Night On Call, I wanted it to be clear from the outset that things were going to turn out badly, hence the tone of the first couple of paragraphs. I was trying to anticipate what my audience would guess was going to happen, and I thought the traditional expectation would be that Doc Eldar would seemingly die, but actually survive, perhaps leaving a clue that he's off to have further adventures on another ship. So I wanted to make it very clear that he's dead, and show the body. But I still wanted my magic trick, and that's how I got the idea of "bringing him back" by turning the narrator into the new Doc Eldar. For those who are interested in the stories, did this work? The only person I've shared this story with before now knew about the plot twists in advance, as I was running ideas past him as I wrote, so I haven't gotten feedback from anyone who read the story in one piece. I'd like to get my stories out to a wider audience, not sure how I should go about that, though. Does Black Library read random submissions? I can only imagine that they get flooded with peoples' stories, if so.
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# ¿ Aug 17, 2015 22:22 |
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yes, it worked! I'd happily read a Ciaphas Cain style novel about Doc Eldar and his assistant. Don't know how you'd get it out to a wider audience tho without going through the Black Library: you know what GW are like with copyright. Thanks, but I don't know if I can make a novel-length story. Doc Eldar is better suited to short stories, I can't think of a way to write a plot that could carry through an entire novel. I will write more short stories, though. Arquinsiel posted:I kiiiiind of saw it coming, but I misinterpreted the details slightly and assumed the grenade was actually a pilfered soul stone and that Doc Eldar would survive somehow rather than let himself be devoured. Yes, the tone shift was intentional. The story contains some things that no other Doc Eldar story will, such as him using lethal force, and being unable to save patients. To maintain the uniqueness I can't have them happen any other time. Same with Space Marines - in order for the Emperor's Child to be such an oh-poo poo-what-is-this to the narrator, she can't have ever encountered one before, which unfortunately means I can't write the story that someone suggested of Doc Eldar playing hide and seek with some Deathwatch marines (he can do this with conventional soldiers, though, and that's one of the future story ideas I have). The grenade was a regular plasma grenade. The powder in the alembic, though, I was thinking that could be a ground-up spirit stone; it's what I had in mind when I wrote, but I didn't want to explicitly say it. Better if the exact mechanism stays unrevealed, I think, although I admit this is a judgment call; sometimes it's fun to really dig into the details of things, and sometimes it's better to let the audience come up with details in their own minds. Glad you liked the combat, too. I didn't want to focus on the scenes of actual fighting, so I kept them brief, but I don't think anyone has written about the aftermath of a ship that's taken a real beating. ADB's written some excellent void warfare scenes, which I won't try to imitate, but they're always from the perspective of bridge crew or Space Marines, not the crew trying to put the pieces back together afterward.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2015 00:37 |
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Thank you all for your support! The next story is focusing on a more everyday experience and I'm hoping to explore the society a little with it, like I did with the AdMech baby story. It's not going to be as far on the whacky hijinks side of the spectrum, although I have some ideas for that kind of story, too. If any of you have ideas or suggestions for things you'd like to see in future stories, I'd be happy to work those in, as well. VanSandman: That's an interesting thought, but do you think the aftermath really contains enough content to be its own story? I do get what you're saying, they are distinct stories, but they follow immediately on each other without a break, whereas there's no chronological connection between the other stories. But I may write an end paragraph and a new beginning paragraph and see how they flow, thanks for the idea.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2015 14:47 |
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Groetgaffel posted:Wanna echo this. I didn't mean that as foreshadowing, it's just an indicator of it being a horrible incident that got burned into the narrator's memory. As for the narrator taking on some Eldar physical traits, that's something that could go either way. It's also a topic I'm not sure if I should explore - in most part, I want the last night on call to be the end of the Doc Eldar stories, with nothing chronologically following it, because I think it's a good note to end on. On the flip side, I do think it would be a lot of fun to write one or more stories that are half "present-day" events that the narrator is experiencing with the Inquisition, and half flashbacks to times of working with Doc Eldar, or possibly even into flashbacks to Doc Eldar's memories
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# ¿ Aug 24, 2015 17:38 |
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Here's the next story! It's short, and as planned, it's more a slice-of-life piece, it's not very whacky. quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. Every underling has stories about their bosses, and it's no rare thing to be scared of those higher up the ladder, is it? I'm sure the Monsignor Jeremias at times struck fear into everyone under his command, given his unpredictable whims and absolute power aboard the ship; for me, it was the result of one of those whims that made my life a terror. The Monsignor had hired, as chief of surgery, an alien; humanoid in body, but indisputably inhuman in thinking. His name was equally inhuman, and despite trying I was never able to pronounce it. I called him Doc Eldar. This story is one I've had vaguely in my head for a long time, and today I sat down and hammered it out. I am very much an amateur writer - I've never had formal training in writing fiction, I don't make outlines, and generally I just start at the beginning and write through to the end. If I have inspiration for something, I think it usually goes well; if I don't have inspiration, it's a real struggle, and for this one I didn't have any clever ideas for how to end it, so I just kind of let the curtain fall. I don't have any firm ideas of what to write next, so if any of you have things you'd like to see written, please let me know. Kylaer fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Aug 28, 2015 |
# ¿ Aug 28, 2015 02:53 |
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Arquinsiel posted:What's missing from that, the one thing, is firing Chekov's gun. Yessss, you're right! I edited the ending and I think it works better, thanks! SavTargaryen posted:A story where Doc Eldar meets the Inquisitor he eventually winds up with, that'd be pretty good foreshadowing. I mean, it'd give the backstory as to why they'd be interested, and also you could deal with some cool xenos weaponry injuries. I can work with this, definitely. I don't know if it will be the same inquisitor that the narrator ends up working for, but a story about the Inquisition hunting Doc Eldar within the ship, that will be fun to write (One of the rules I'm working with is that Doc Eldar never uses a weapon except in the final story, so there won't be any shoot-outs between him and his pursuers, but there can definitely be a scene where they blast away at him, catch some bystanders with stray shots, and then he has to double back after evading them in order to treat the wounded)
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# ¿ Aug 28, 2015 14:48 |
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# ¿ May 5, 2024 07:28 |
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SavTargaryen, mllaneza, and Arquinsiel: Thank you for the suggestions, I like the ideas and they're giving me inspiration. The Doc Eldar stories are evolving away from just medical anecdotes, I think, although I still want to include some of them in each piece; I really want to delve into the setting and try writing about some of the aspects that aren't bolters and lasguns. I'm thinking this is going to be a story spanning three parts; in the first, the narrator gets locked up while off the ship because of making an overly truthful confession, and is subsequently sprung from jail by Doc Eldar. This piece will focus mostly on the relationship of a regular citizen with the Ecclesiarchy. The second will follow immediately after the first, chronologically, and feature the Inquisition arriving in force and searching the ship for a particular xeno. It'll be a slapstick piece in which Doc Eldar enacts some of the classic maneuvers of horror movie villains, but performing surgery instead of murder. And the third will involve working with the Inquisition to keep the Monsignor in their good graces, and I'm going to see what kind of strange situation I can come up with, getting into the baroque weirdness that is technology in the 40K universe. Sephyr posted:I've been thinking of writing a series about a Tzeentch chaos champion that is not a sorcerer but a true-blue revolutionary, balancing several disparate warbands for the purpose of freeing as many systems from Imperial rule as possible and then just seeing what happens. It was going to be the basis of a Black Crusade campaign, but now that i moved a country away from my group it's likely not going to happen. This could be interesting to read if you develop the various characters the protagonist is trying to strike a balance between. To be properly Tzeenchian, though, the outcomes on the protagonist's plans should always be some shade of horrible - to be true to the setting, Chaos must always be malignant, always a force of destruction, and Tzeench in particular loves smashing the dreams of his followers.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 02:39 |