Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

stevenolson88 posted:

I've been on a George Jones and Hank Williams Sr. binge for the longest time. It is my favorite music to just turn on really loud and just sit there and soak in the original country-western legends. To think that Hank Jr. came from the same nut sack of Hank Sr. is just absurd. I guess the talent skips a generation when Hank III came around. The gospel music George Jones put out is just some of the best stuff he does. But his song about moonshine "White Lighting" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZbSkCKlrHU and a particular ex-girlfriend with "She Still Thinks I Care" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWNCNyEuYI really hit home with me.

I won't sit here and try to defend a lot of Hank Jr's music (although there are some highlights, IMHO), but keep in mind where that his dad died when he was four and his mom basically paraded him around as a son of royalty for most of his youth. I recall hearing that people would run up with tears in their eyes just to touch him like he was Jesus Christ or something.

"Wikipedia posted:

Williams' early career was guided, and to an extent some observers say outright dominated, by his mother, who is widely claimed as having been the driving force that led his late father to musical superstar status during the late 1940s and early 1950s.[citation needed] Audrey, in many ways, promoted young Hank Jr. as a Hank Williams impersonator, even to the extent of having stage clothes designed for him that were identical to his father's, and encouraging vocal styles very similar to those of his father.

Also, he fell 500ft off a cliff.

"Wikipedia posted:

On August 8, 1975, Williams was nearly killed in a mountain-climbing accident. While he was climbing Ajax Peak in Montana, the snow beneath him collapsed and he fell almost 500 feet onto rock. He suffered multiple skull and facial fractures.[4]To hide the scars and the disfigurement from the accident, Williams grew a beard and began wearing sunglasses and a cowboy hat. The beard, hat, and sunglasses have since become his signature look, and he is rarely seen without them.

This is what he looked like before the accident:


One of the weirdest musical experiences I ever had was seeing Hank Jr. and Kid Rock do a duet at Johnny Cash's memorial concert and knock it out of the park. Keep in mind I wouldn't have tapped my brakes if Kid Rock walked in front of my car before that night.

As for content. I think my favorite Alt. Country group that hasn't been mentioned yet is Slobberbone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV6n3Hy3E3s

The Supersucker's Country Album, Must Have Been High, is great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtJFFre9vlo

Elliott Brood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MR8U667Iv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzgH6_9f9AE

Jason Molina has released records as Songs: Ohia, Magnolia Electric Co., and his own name. Much of it doesn't really fit in the traditional "Alt. Country" box, but most of it is stellar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG9ZH-1TSUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxAaf16xXRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhqB_4b7HVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=malJUMz2A9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD_Yn6E2XZc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-RVzJH0iJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHD3fFno9GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKngswISrAs


As far as true Country goes, I suggest going back to the Big Bang of Country Music and starting from there:

Jimmie Rodgers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BFbY9Vw8DM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtrvJ-SU8uc

The Carter Family:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjc_PShx-fE

Uncle Dave Macon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86i9qA3Jlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqpP6zNuAXE


Skipping forward a couple decades:
Ernest Tubb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLKh5zNHeE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dlrDeaJyQ

Lefty Frizzel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0oX53IQvvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cf_HtpeREQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc5p0-6uc_g

Buck Owens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITPsXSxZtQg

David Allan Coe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MBozQJMMHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT_89r4LzUA

Hank Snow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8V8MjyQ8c

Marty Robbins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwThVQTNeAo

BeastOfExmoor fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jan 9, 2013

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
Jason Molina died. :(

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
I think this belongs here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/tattedup80/status/445355968881119232/photo/1?screen_name=tattedup80

Even though I've been listening to DBT for over a decade I still have these weird holes of songs I've always skipped over. For some reason Zip City never really grabbed me so even though I'd probably listened to it dozens of times I'd never really listened to the lyrics of digested it until a couple days ago. Needless to say, it's been on a loop since then.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Bonzo posted:

If anyone is interested, Jason Isbell will be on Marc Maron's WTF podcast tomorrow and Patterson Hood will be on Friday.
http://www.wtfpod.com/

Both these interviews were excellent. Thanks for posting about it.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
Clicked through that Rolling Stone list for who knows what reason. It should have really been called 75 of the best country songs and 25 utterly poo poo songs from the last twenty-five years. There were a few inspired choices though like Jimmie Rodgers at #5.

There was a book called Heartaches by the Number: Country Music's 500 Greatest Singles that came out a few years ago. I've never read it, but someone compiled the list as an unofficial compilation and posted it online. Well worth tracking down if you can find it since it's 95% must-listen, IMHO.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
I haven't fount a copy broken up into individual files yet, but I found this on Twitter for anyone who's having trouble:
https://twitter.com/patrickbobo/status/478896059234537473

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

stealie72 posted:

This may be a weird question, but:

I live up in the frozen tundra of the Great Lakes and I've noticed that my country listening goes down a lot in the winter, probably because listening to music about sunny days, cotton fields, and west Texas doesn't fit in with the north pole scene out of my window.

So is anyone making northern country music, for lack of a better term? Blizzard soundtracks with a twang?

I'll probably be stretching the genre definition a bit here, but here's what came to mind.

Dolorean were from Portland and always remind me of our gloomy winters here in the pacific northwest.
http://open.spotify.com/album/54jbDJxuup4KlxcwkHnbou - I can't find a Youtube link for "Traded For Fire", but this whole album is good so here's a spotify link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvXvL5Cr8VE - Maybe my favorite song of theirs. Only available on an out of print 7".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulfIPSGvUA

Jesse Sykes and the Sweet Hereafter - This is my favorite song by them, but I haven't listened to the last couple albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCIjOBeoCQ

Elliott Brood - I know I've talked about them here before. Their first EP is a bit all over the place, but the first two LPs after that are great. The third and latest one is kind of hit and miss though, IMHO. Here's a wintery song from each of their four releases in chronological order:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpVCcvSzp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_TIb6MM27A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRKoq1flyss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbavKO6UPjU

I also find anything from Jason Molina/Songs: Ohia/Magnolia Electric Co to be very good listening in the winter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG6gpwYH1DM - The most midwest song ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6SGydtVA4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO6abj9yRUc - Glad they finally released the studio version of this.


This four song set he did in 2003 is my favorite thing he recorded. I wish they'd release it officially since it deserves to be heard more widely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDKHd6G9EI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2J0aRRNbHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYTEszHXuBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-DkVradzFk

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
I'm sitting here sorting through music and drinking whiskey and cokes on a Friday night. I've managed to convince myself that Keith Whitley's "I'm Over You" was the last great country song to actually hit the top 5 (maybe 10) on the country charts (in 1990).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fJCF_OUkXA

I challenge you to find something better released later.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
Patterson Hood wrote a cool piece for the New York Times.

It's a shame that they don't play "The Southern Thing" more often. It's a great take on the whole situation, as is "The Three Great Alabama Icons" which follows it. I've always found it quite ironic that the same people I know who decry bigotry in the south tend to stereotype every white southerner as a bigot.

"Ya know racism is a worldwide problem and it's been since the beginning of recorded history... and it ain't just white and black... But thanks to George Wallace, it's always a little more convenient to play it with a Southern accent."

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Paper With Lines posted:

Can anyone explain why he left DBT? The timeline seems to be:

1. DBT let in JI
2. JI marries a bassist
3. JI gets bassist into band
4. JI and bassist break up
5. DBT kick out JI

Is that incorrect?

I think at the point that he and Shonna were divorcing and he was actively hooking up with girls on tours things were probably pretty horrible. I'm not sure how progressed he was in his addiction, but I believe I heard an interview where he said that his mom or dad told him after he got clean that they were expecting him to die at any point. I can imagine all this probably made him hard to work with.


JnnyThndrs posted:

Goddamn can Isbell write lyrics, he's almost without peer. But my problem is that I was first exposed to him through DBT and when I listen to his solo stuff I just keep wishing there was more RAWK in the arrangements.

My problem, not his, of course.

I completely agree. His early output with DBT was incredible and he really benefited from that sound.

I'm slowing coming around on Something More Than Free. It had about 3 songs I liked on first listen. Now I'm probably up to five or six. I actually wandered in to a record store and bought the drat thing ($6.99, holy poo poo) yesterday with my daughter. Sounds like he stands a good shot of being the number one record release this week.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Does that give me an excuse to post this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1KKhZ80GDQ

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

me your dad posted:

Alan Jackson released 'Chattahoochee' in 1992 for gently caress's sake. What a piece of poo poo song that was and it was 23 years ago. Same year as Achy Breaky Heart. Was 1992 the roping on the neck for modern country? Has it taken Don Henley 23 years to notice modern country has been on a long steady decline?

Country was in decline for a long time before that. The 80s weren't exactly full of solid music on country radio. There's still occasional sparks of brilliance in occasion through the years, but it's been on a downward trajectory for decades.

Truth be told, there were plenty of terrible songs on the radio in any decade. Nobody really remembers that poo poo though, only the good stuff.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

clutchpuck posted:

New Supersuckers album out today, "Holding the Bag". It's the follow up to their 1997 country-y record "Must've Been High".

http://open.spotify.com/album/1LVju7ivxZOf0okuMPxcZE

Their front man Eddie is currently fighting throat cancer. I hope he can sing again at some point.

Must've Been High is a classic, IMHO, so I'm thrilled to have a sequel.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

FreudianSlippers posted:

Anyone know any good country/folk/bluegrass/whatever songs about death?
Not necessarily murder ballads. Just songs about death and dying in general.

So far I've got:
Are You Afraid to Die? - The Louvin Brothers
Country Death Song - Violent Femmes
Oh Death - Noah Gunderson
Chest of Drawers - Wovenhand
He Stopped Loving Her Today - George Jones
Waiting Around to Die - Townes Van Zandt

This, if you're strict about your genre definitions:
https://youtu.be/n8CzFVm1Yio

Or the original if you're not:
https://youtu.be/Bq6T2tvRDoY

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
NPR is streaming A Sailor's Guide to Earth.

So far so good. The Nirvana cover isn't my favorite, but in the context of the album it sounds better.

Also, Sturgill was a guest on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple days ago. The Joe Rogan podcast apparently consists entirely of Rogan talking non-stop to the guest about things completely unrelated to them and showing them youtube videos of animals fighting. Can't say I found it to be a good use of my time.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Blast Fantasto posted:

I've been watching the movie a lot lately, and I think the Heartworn Highways soundtrack might be the best track-for-track country album of all time.

I mean look at this song list


L.A. Free - Guy Clark
Ohoopee River Bottomland - Larry Jon Wilson
That Old Time Feeling - Guy Clark
Waiting Around To Die - Townes Van Zandt
I Still Sing The Old Songs - David Allan Coe
Desperadoes Waiting For A Train - Guy Clark
Bluebird Wine - Rodney Crowell
Alabama Highway - Steve Young
Pancho And Lefty - Townes Van Zandt
Texas Cookin' - Guy Clark
The Black Label Blues - Gamble Rogers
River - David Allan Coe
One For The One - John Hiatt
Darlin' Commit Me - Steve Earle
Ballard Of Lavern & Captain Flint - Guy Clark
I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry - Steve Young & Friends
The Mercenary Song - Steve Earle & Friends
Elijah's Church - Steve Earle & Friends
Silent Night - Full Group


Most of the versions of the songs on the soundtrack are better than their respective album cuts, to boot.

It's certainly a great album. I'll never understand why Rodney Crowell has never released a version of Bluebird Wine. His version is vastly superior to Emmylou Harris's version. This reminds me that hearing The Eagles' version of Seven Bridges Road made me look up Steve Young to see what he was up to. He'd died the week before :(

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

I just discovered Brett Detar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E74yqtoqmU

The whole Bird in the Tangle album is quite good.

Haha. I used to be a fan of his old emo band (The Juliana Theory). I knew he had released some solo stuff, but I figured it wasn't any good. I'll have to check it out now that I have some positive feedback.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Bonzo posted:

Buck Owens and Don Rich. imho the best Strat player in country music


:eng101: That's actually a Tele, in all its twangy goodness. I agree with everything else you said.

My favorite Buck Owens story is how he realized that if he eliminated the bass from his music it would sound louder on the radio. I could never figure out why the recordings were of such high quality, but had no bass until I heard that.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
If anyone's interested, I made a Spotify playlist of No Depression's 2016 top 50 reader's poll. There's 3-4 albums missing, most notably the Lucinda Williams album (#3), but it's mostly there.

https://open.spotify.com/user/beastofexmoor/playlist/62wrKgggQsuYvvNjw7mNKk
spotify:user:beastofexmoor:playlist:62wrKgggQsuYvvNjw7mNKk

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBWfhiLKUPQ

:3:

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
The new Jason Isbell record drops June 16th. He needs someone to help him with album cover art in the worst way though. Or a new person to help him at least. Here We Rest is okay. The rest are garbage.

https://twitter.com/JasonIsbell/status/841317531491192832

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
Not music, but I recently got linked to Otis Gibbs "Thanks For Giving A drat" podcast because he had a Jason Molina episode. I glanced through the backlog of episodes and there were a ton of interesting episodes and guests. This is the only podcast I've found that deals with alt. country/country history, etc.

https://soundcloud.com/otisgibbs/sets/thanks-for-giving-a-drat-with

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

stealie72 posted:

If you even remotely like classic country, listen to this album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRBvAi341PE

This review says it better than I could: http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/zephaniah-ohoras-this-highway-is-classic-country-mastery/

drat, this is fantastic. Thanks for the recommendation, I haven't been this excited listening to an album for this first time in quite a while. Recently I spent much of a five day roadtrip working my way through Bear Family's "Dim Lights, Thick Smoke, Hillbilly Music" series. You could drop any song from this album into the middle of those classic songs and it'd fit in perfectly.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Not really relevant to anything but I gotta say "One of These Days" is both one of my favorite DBT songs and the biggest example of why I'm glad they learned to mix guitars better after their first two albums. The second verse is nearly inaudible.

Yea, that song is really wrecked by the terrible recording. The lead guitar just needs to disappear altogether. Even through Southern Rock Opera the recordings really could have used a little extra production.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

plz dont pull out posted:

Somehow I'd gone my whole life without George Jones ever being on my radar. Seeing as how he has about a million albums listed on Spotify, could you guys tell me the essentials to get started and what else to check out after I get through those?

The best Jones compilation I've found is called The Essential George Jones: The Spirit Of Country. Spotify has is, but it's missing a few songs including my favorite Jones song: A Good Year For The Roses. Apparently the original version of that song is completely absent from Spotify which is terrible.

With many of the golden-age country stars, albums aren't really the best place to start for their classic music. Country singles outsold albums until, I believe, the late 70s; long after albums had been in control of the rock and pop markets. Country albums in this era were often slapdash mix of succesful singles, covers of fairly contemporary material popularized by other artists, etc. There are a few exceptions (Gunfighters Ballads and Trail Songs and Songs for Rounders come to mind) but I don't think albums started to take hold until the more rock-oriented outlaw artists started releasing their classic material in the early 70s.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
I recently learned about the Cocaine and Rhinestones Podcast. I've been hoping for a dedicated country music history podcast for a while (even toyed with the idea of starting one) so it's great to see someone qualified do one.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
It's a decent book. It covers some surprisingly low profile artists if I recall. They said, I don't think I've cracked my copy open in about 5 years. It's just so much easier to find info on the internet.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Dr.Caligari posted:

His son, Tyler Coe (of cocaine and rhinestone ‘fame’) has a blog and talks about his dad which is interesting. According to him, his dad insists on decided how loud the amps are, and since he can’t hear poo poo and doesn’t listen to anybody, most of his shows are offensively loud

Tyler also had a nice write-up of how his dad's song "N*gger Fucker" was actually an anti-rascist song. I didn't think anyone could make me like DAC less than DAC in the last few decades, but Tyler is giving it his best shot.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Dr.Caligari posted:

Yeah, that was way off base and unnecessary. There’s no spinning that song, and several others.

Saying that it is ‘the same as Blazing Saddles’ was painful to read

It did make his whole "real truth about Okie From Muskogee" episode make a lot more sense. Merle explicitly said the song was not originally written as satire when pressed, so I couldn't figure out why he was so hung up on telling people it is.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Wheat Loaf posted:

I've been listening to a lot of the Cocaine & Rhinestones podcast lately. Is it generally well-regarded? It seems pretty well-researched to me.

I repped it pretty hard when it first came out, but I've cooled on it somewhat. It is fairly well researched from what I could tell, but there was also some really weird stuff. Specifically the Haggard episode where he claims to unequivocally prove that "Okie from Muskogee" was written as satire despite tons of evidence to the contrary. Merle claimed it was as he grew older and his politics shifted left, but he readily admitted that was revisionism if anyone pushed back.

I honestly couldn't figure out why Tyler Coe chose this as his hill to die on until he went on a ridiculous facebook rant about how his father's song "N*gger Fucker" was not only not racist, but was actually anti-racist. Then the fact that he really wanted to re-frame someone else's song as being satire made a lot more sense.

Also, it's going on a year since the last episode was released and I have yet to hear anything about the timline for a second season. I understand that he wants to be thorough, but if he intends to cover an entire 75 year era of a genre at this rate its going to take him several lifetimes.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
I got way behind on this thread.

XBenedict posted:

I like sailors guide. I didn’t like sound and fury at all.

When I listened to Sound and Fury I felt like there was an album I really liked under all that production and that maybe in some distant future we'd get more paired down versions of those songs. With the Cutting Grass series (?) being released, I do wonder if we might see something like that much sooner than I expected.


Very sad about Billy Joe Shaver. I knew a tiny bit about him for decades but never really dug in to his recordings until the last few years and he quickly became one of my favorite artists. If you haven't seen his final performance video yet, you need to. I don't think someone could go out on a higher note than that.

https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/billy-joe-shavers-final-performance/



That reminds me that I had the most vivid dream about Jerry Lee Lewis having died and I just realized as I was writing this that it was a dream. JLL doesn't get a lot of attention these days for reasons which he totally brought on himself, but if you've never listened to Live At the Star Club you really owe it to yourself to check it out. Not really country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQfUeLUgjFA

To bring things a little closer to this thread, his 70s country material had some real gems as well.

Edit: What's Made Milwaukee Famous has a fantastic backstory. From Dim Lights, Thick Smoke, Hillbilly Music 1968 liner notes:

BeastOfExmoor fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Nov 12, 2020

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
The CMA, and really the vast majority of the Nashville industry, is completely focused on how much money you've made them lately. This isn't even a new thing. If anything it's gotten better in the last couple decades after Johnny Cash's late-life resurgence and since the overall industry has become more reliant on their back catalogs.

That doesn't make it any more right, but anyone who expected differently from the CMA's hasn't been paying attention for a looong time.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
Otis Gibbs has a great Youtube channel where he just tells stories. Well worth checking out.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYX2MTovE0vYjD8touqRH7Q

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Bonzo posted:


I felt like as it went on and got more popular, Tyler would also evolve and maybe even edit himself a bit.

:lol:

Dude spent 3 loving years putting together a podcast season on one artist.

I was pretty excited for a country music history podcast when it debuted, but it's really been a letdown. It's such a shame since there's so much rich history to cover.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply