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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I'm as much for nuclear power as the next guy, but putting radioactive waste and/or materials into peoples' homes seems like a bad idea. This is "dirty bomb" material. Also tracking all those radiation sources would be very difficult. You can't be sure it won't end up on some scrapheap somewhere sold as lead or whatever. The person stripping this thing likely will die. Everybody handling one of these with breached containment for extended periods of time will get a serious dose of radiation.

The Soviet Union had a BUNCH of these generators which they used to power radio navigation beacons in remote areas like Siberia. They have lost track of a number of these after the dissolution of the USSR.

A quote from Wikipedia:

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In December 2001, three Georgian woodcutters stumbled over such a power generator and dragged it back to their camp site to use it as a heat source. Within hours they suffered from acute radiation sickness and sought hospital treatment.

So, this is an idea I cannot get behind.

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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






QuarkJets posted:

Dirty bombs are not a thing to be concerned about. No one who wants to build a bomb is going to build a dirty bomb, the entire concept makes no sense to anyone who takes a minute to understand the biological effects of radiation.
Yes I should have been more clear about this but I did not mean to say that there is a huge risk of anyone turning these into a dirty bomb. (Well, some idiot might try anyway) but more that these materials can be quite dangerous and should be kept out of the hands of the general public.

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Nuclear material record-keeping in the US is much better than in the USSR, and a hospital basement with well-marked warning signs is quite different from a radio navigation beacon in the middle of Siberia. I see no issue so long as the generator is marked and put it in a lead container with a warning engraved on the side. I wouldn't suggest putting these in homes

Good, then we are pretty much in agreement. :)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Boiled Water posted:

Denmark (and some of the EU I'm not sure) banned import and sale of old style light bulbs meaning you can now boy only power saving compact-fluorescent bulbs or LED lights.

The ban is EU wide actually.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Yeti Fiasco posted:

this doesn't seem like much, though I guess the land has no other use.
Sure it does, you could build a nuclear reactor there! :v:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Yeti Fiasco posted:

Why would you want to though? Surely a better location is near a metropolitan area so there's less transmission lines.

Joking aside, the middle of a hot, arid desert is a bad location for a nuclear plant because of the lack of cooling water. :)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Winks posted:

Tell that to the Palo Verde nuke plant in Arizona.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_Station

It uses reclaimed water for cooling.

That's pretty drat cool.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Aureon posted:

(If the situation is the same as in Italy, where literally four people out of five believe nuclear reactors can explode, that speaks for impressive mindwashing)

Depends on your definition. In Chernobyl the reactor DID explode, and at Fukushima the reactors remained more or less intact, but (hydrogen) explosions DID occur.
Of course you're probably talking about the reactor going up in a mushroom cloud like a nuclear bomb, in which case the answer is no.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Frogmanv2 posted:

[...]Given the issues with waste (minor issues sure, but still an issue), plus you need to mine and refine the fuel, plus the huge amounts of NIMBYism[...]

Australia currently has no nuclear power stations, yet they are a large producer of uranium. I don't see that changing any time soon anyway since they make heaps of money off of uranium mining.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Aureon posted:

I mean atomic explosions, not hydrogen explosions.
Atomic "Level-the-earth-within-500-km" explosions, since "everybody knows new nuclear is much more powerful than hiroshima!"

Yeah gotcha.

Man this reminds me about a discussion about nuclear power in I think it was Real Time with Bill Maher. This woman is against nuclear reactors because they are totally "slow-motion nuclear explosions".

Yes that is exactly what is happening inside a nuclear reactor, lady, you nailed it! :doh:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






jfreder posted:

There aren't any literal explosions in an internal combustion engine but I understand the point you are making.

Edit: unless you mean deflagration

No, you're wrong, they are explosions

e: NUKULAR EXPLOSIONS :byodood:

fake e: Yeah I think you're right actually. :shobon:

spankmeister fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Sep 19, 2012

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






CommieGIR posted:

It seems like Oil Shale would be prohibitively expensive compared to just drilling more wells.

Yeah when crude reaches a high number like $200 a barrel (note: number pulled entirely out of rear end) then shale could be economically viable. But right now we still have more easily accessible sources of crude.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






StabbinHobo posted:

Has anyone heard about bloomboxes lately? the one thing that intrigued me most about them was that they claimed reversibility was possible, just not in the first model. Has a reversible model come out yet? Whats the round-trip on it like?

What exactly are you talking about?

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Besides, Ethanol is for drinking. :tinsley:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






This is the worst derail.

Anyway, the UK has just anounced it's energy strategy for the future, and nuclear will play a big part.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NP-UK_seizes_the_day_with_new_strategy-260313.html

Personally I feel this is good news. In my opinion we really need to keep moving and researching, towards a future where nuclear can deliver safe, clean baseload power.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Please say they hinder them because gently caress coal.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Fine-able Offense posted:

Ding ding ding.

The other issue at play is that the natural gas lobbysts are teaming up with the hydrogen guys to try and push their cooperative agenda, which means they get a lot of "green venture" funding and positive attention from regulators of all stripes. Right now gas and hydrogen are eating coal's lunch.

Cool. How is hydrogen beating anything though? It not actually being an energy source. (More like a carrier)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






The problem is that the licensing and stuff takes so incredibly long that it takes decades for a new design to be implemented. And then you have to deal with the NIMBY crowd, who manage to shut down reactors before they are even started.

If we could streamline that process, for instance with EU or US wide design approval, we can certainly cut that time to say 5 to 10 years. Public opinion needs to change too. Fukushima didn't help in that regard obviously.

At some point we need to realise as a people of earth that no, in fact we do not have a perfect power generation technology, renewables can get us a long way there, but we will still need some kind of baseload generating capacity for the foreseeable future, fossil, and especially coal, is the absolute worst way to do that. Maybe one day we can shut down all fission reactors and the world will be better off for it. (Well maybe we need a few for making isotopes)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






CombatInformatiker posted:

I'll watch it as soon as I have 75 minutes for myself, which won't be before Saturday :(
vvvv

Don't forget because it's really good.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Uranium nuclear is a transitory technology as far as I'm concerned. We need to move to breeders and start using Thorium for nuclear to really work.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Hmm the snowy mountains perhaps? :v:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Frogmanv2 posted:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=solution-to-renewable-energy-more-renewable-energy


Article showing that 99.9% uptime is possible with just renewables, in America.

99.9% sounds like a lot, but it really isn't that great. It's a downtime of roughly 10 minutes per week, or 43 per month, or just under 9 hours per year. We will still need a baseload generating capacity to get that up to an acceptable number.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Natural gas is cheap and cleaner than other fossil fuels but it's still produces green house gases and other pollutants.

Also, it's mostly methane which is a greenhouse gas in and of itself and at offshore rigs they just vent it into the atmosphere directly to get at the oil underneath. (At land based rigs they burn it off as to not create a fire hazard and all)

I just wanted to get this off my chest because the idea of clean NG is a myth.Granted, it's way better than burning coal or oil.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Hobo Erotica posted:

Yes, as Wibbleman astutely pointed out above, the video was from satirical site 'the onion', and was in there in the hope of bringing a chuckle to whoever clicked it. Can't be all serious all the time.

I would have thought it was pretty obvious, although as satire it does a great job of parroting the lines of the pro-gas lobby.

Welp I didn't watch the video so :shobon:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






hobbesmaster posted:

Just because our supply of something is near infinite compared to current or future use does not mean that it is renewable. There is a certain amount of uranium in the earth's crust, if we were to mine it all we would not have any more.

Renewable energy comes from energy delivered by the sun (directly or indirectly) or in the case of geothermal, the earth's core.

Yes let's not build reactors because we could maybe run out of fissile material in a million years.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Can we please go back to talking about real energy generation instead of this steorn-type bullshit?

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Sinestro posted:

Yeah, it needs to come out on iTunes/Amazon or even DVD. I can't get to any of the showings.

A movie like this just needs to be released for free IMHO, in the interest of public education.

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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I thought it was a local politician who obstructed Yucca Mountain, not Obama.

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