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If it's available when you're at MEPS you can sign for it then. If it's not available then you go through the dream sheet and become a cop.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:USAF doesnt guarantee poo poo on contract. Either things have changed in the last couple years or you had a poo poo recruiter. I'll have to dig out my original enlistment contract, but I'm positive it had my AFSC in writing. The recruiter had a whole list of jobs that were projected to be available within the next year, along with ship dates for basic training. I told him the one I wanted, and also told him I would only enlist for that one job. I did MEPS in January of '08, and before I left Fort Hamilton I knew what job I was getting, and the exact day basic training would start. The last time I asked one of my new airmen about it, probably in 2013, he said it was the same for him. The key here is, unless you want to be military police, don't put security forces on your list. For that matter, don't put anything on your list if you'd be unhappy doing it for a few years.
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Sorry I guess I misunderstood the multitude of USAF recruiters I worked alongside professionally on how the system works. Godholio though that makes sense.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Sorry I guess I misunderstood the multitude of USAF recruiters I worked alongside professionally on how the system works. Your recruiter was poo poo and lied to you. If the USAF didn't guarantee jobs, every other branch of service would exploit the hell out of that when recruiting.
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Oct 14, 2015 22:08
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:Your recruiter was poo poo and lied to you. If the USAF didn't guarantee jobs, every other branch of service would exploit the hell out of that when recruiting. Does the coast guard count?I heard they have a slightly different system than the navy so it was an unattractive option at the time.
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LingcodKilla posted:Does the coast guard count?I heard they have a slightly different system than the navy so it was an unattractive option at the time. When I recruited the Coast Guard had guys lined up a year or more ready to join as soon as a slot opened up. It could be two years with DEP before these guys went to boot camp. So it wasn't a real option for the vast majority of folks looking to join a branch. Hekk fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:Your recruiter was poo poo and lied to you. If the USAF didn't guarantee jobs, every other branch of service would exploit the hell out of that when recruiting. he was an army recruiter...
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Keep in mind that the contract only guarantees a tech school slot. If you pick something fancy pantsy and you fail the tech school there's a good chance you'll end up doing some other lovely job that happens to also be taught at that training base.
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Thanks for getting me to carepost while drunk. I hate you guys. For the benefit of the new guy, so you don't get hosed harder than usual: The form guaranteeing a particular job is AF Form 3007 - Guaranteed Training Enlistment Agreement, Non-Prior Service. Option C guarantees you training in a particular job. Once the form is signed, the Air Force is obligated to put you through school for your AFSC choice. If you're disqualified from the job through no fault of your own, you may be reclassed or you can request separation from the Air Force. If you flunk out of school, you will be reclassed to a different job. Similarly, if you don't graduate basic training on time, you may be reclassed. If that's the case, you can request separation but the Air Force will decide whether or not to let you go. The current version of the form is from 2010, but I can't be arsed to convert .xfdl into something that will display on the forum. The version I used back in the day is functionally identical, so I've attached it below.  Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Sorry I guess I misunderstood the multitude of USAF recruiters I worked alongside professionally on how the system works. No, I'm sure you understood what they said. They lied.
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IDK the one was really cool and sent us his garbage all the time. Well you learn something every day!
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:he was an army recruiter... That makes his post even stranger. Hillary Clintons Thong posted:IDK the one was really cool and sent us his garbage all the time. Well you learn something every day! Does the army still do that assembly line recruiting where they divvy up who prospects, who interviews, and who processes enlistments? That looked really cool until the station wasn't make mission and then it turned into everyone making GBS threads all over the dudes setting appointments.
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They have been jumping off that sinking ship for at least 3 years. We learned that style at the school, and maybe it works for the 10-12 man centers, but it is absolute crap when its like a 4-5 small center. The ONLY good thing was taking recruiters off of individual assignments, so you don't have the back stabbing over poo poo, and you can cover down on another guys SF86 for an applicant if he is sick or gets called to drive 100miles for a drug test. of note my company once made its mission like 24USA/12USAR one time the time was there, and when they did it was like the first time in 6 years, so our area was really loving lovely.
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edit i'll move this forgot it was recruiting thread not bitch about recruiting lol
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Pretty much the same thing for most people.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:edit i'll move this forgot it was recruiting thread not bitch about recruiting lol Godholio posted:Pretty much the same thing for most people. Bitching about recruiting might still save someone from enlisting. Take a stand for the future.
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HI KIDS WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT THE ARMY. I'M A GUY WHO WAS IN THE ARMY FOR 12 YEARS AND RECRUITED YOU DUMB BASTARDS AND I'M SAYING JOIN THE USAF UNLESS YOU CANT MANAGE MUCH HIGHER THAN A 31 WELL THEN C'MON IN BUDDY
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True story: I enlisted in the Army and, as a result, I am a big dumb idiot. Join another branch or don't join. I guess the Marines are about as bad, they always look so angry/sad and complain about getting Army hand-me-downs, which surprises me because our poo poo doesn't work in the first place, so I am terrified of what we'd pass off to someone else.
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really though the only army poo poo i think they have is M1A1s and bradley turrets for LAV25s. I mean that probably hasnt been true for 20 years because its not like we literally give them our unservicable M16s, Aircraft Carriers, F18s (and harriers because that was deffo USMC only as well) and F35s and actually everything the Marines have is their own stupid waste of money bullshit
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Never been in an actual M1A1 but have been in an M1A1 simulator, that thing seemed almost archaic compared to an M1A2
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M1A1s I've been in still had weather data from the Gulf War written in grease pencil on the inside.
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Let's be honest with each other here. When has armored warfare ever been a big thing in the Marines? We treat our tanks as infantry support vehicles and even then it's more of a scenario specific thing. Tanks = big, expensive, hard to fit on boats. With renewed emphasis on Navy/Marine Corps combat projection, I wouldn't expect the Marine Corps to put much emphasis on updating heavy armor.
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I signed an Open Contract at MEPS, was in DEP for a bit, and got my Infantry contract before I went to boot camp. Everyone I met with an Open Contract in Boot Camp was a loving retard- not because they got tricked into an Open Contract, but because they knew exactly what it was and went with it anyways.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:bradley turrets for LAV25s. they dont have bradley turrets
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Hey you're right, though I swore it shared its turret with something. OH WELL. edit: its the same gun. I blame the pot.
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Took my ASVAB today and ended up with a 90. Talked to my Air Force recruiter right after and he told me that the chances of being disqualified are really high, because of my previous diagnosis of ADHD (Once as a kid where I took medication for a short period around age 7, but my parents don't even have the records of it anymore, and once at 19( early 2013) where I didn't get/use any medication). My doctor wrote a note saying I grew out of it and don't have it anymore, and he is saying that it might not help with the decision at all. Assuming that the Air Force is a no, is there anywhere else I can go from here with the military? I'm not exactly sure if being disqualified for one branch for ADHD will bar me from all the others.
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We had a kid get booted for having been on meds for it within the last year ( Moment of Truth idiot) but I was under the understanding that if you hadn't taken the meds for a certain amount of time it wasn't a concern(the number i heard was 3). This was the Navy so.... Wouldn't hurt to inquire if you are really concerned.
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2–27. Learning, psychiatric and behavioral disorders a. Attention Deficit Disorder/Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (314), or Perceptual/Learning Disorder(s) (315) does not meet the standard, unless applicant can demonstrate passing academic performance and there has been no use of medication(s) in the previous 12 months from the army. in reality it can be more complicated than that. You can either lie about it (depends on how far the USAF pushed it into MEPCOM if at all if you should attempt this. Being honest is always good but not conducive to joining RIGHT AWAY, but ADHD waivers can go through pretty readily. It will probably take a couple of trips to MEPS if they decide to do a psyche consult. I'd strongly recommend that you go back to your doctor and have him write another letter. It will be further in your benefit if the doctor is a behavioral health doctor, or whomever ADHD specialists are, than a general practitioner, family medicine type. For the love of god dont go on an ADHD trip at the MEPS morning briefing, I've seen multiple kids from multiple branches wash out in the morning when you're just filling your name out on poo poo because it was obvious they were like way too ADHD. Like honestly if you need the medication to function, find another ~dream~ than the military.
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I haven't been on medication since I was 7 (I can't even remember being on it to be honest, and there are no records of it that probably still exist), but they said having ADHD past the age of fourteen is grounds for dismissal.
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Could be your recruiter was just plain wrong too. He could be thinking of some other kind of condition. I'd stick with what your going story was as you scored a 90, so you should be good for every job, which means you should be going for one with a clearance.
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Zetta_Slow posted:Took my ASVAB today and ended up with a 90. When I recruited (06-09) ADHD medications were a disqualifier if they'd been used after the age of 12. It may just be him or his boss trying to save him time because your likely best case scenario is being initially disqualified and submitting a Bureau of Medicine waiver. The second diagnosis is what will gently caress you over because it happened after age 12. If the Air Force agrees to try to run your enlistment it'd look something like this: 1) Recruiter takes all of your screening paperwork and sends to it MEPS to try to schedule you for a physical 2) Doctors at MEPS look at screening paperwork and either a) agree to let you take the physical or b) initially disqualify you for military service 3) If you are disqualified, you have to submit a Bureau of Medicine (BUMED) waiver which is kind of lengthy and may involve seeing other doctors in order to determine whether the ADHD diagnosis is valid or not. This could take several weeks or even months. At the end of which you could still be disqualified. If you have a way of amending your story about medical history to include only the stuff that happened when you were 7, the process would be much easier. However, if you really do have ADHD and are just lying to get in, you run the risk of getting caught and kicked out later on down the road.
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The second diagnosis was stupidity on my part. I was having a really hard time in school (learned that giant 500+ people non-online classes in University are just not for me) and he was heavily against prescribing me anything, but said he was open to something called strattera, which he said is a non-stimulant and non-addictive, but I am really anti-drug in any way and didn't want to get started with any. Would it be best to find my ADHD report from 15 years ago and try to show that I was diagnosed as a child? It was when I was so young that I can't even remember ever taking medication, but my parents said that I did and they took me right back off of it because of a huge personality change. I have no issues functioning without medication and I am a pretty down to earth person, I thought that getting a good score on my ASVAB would at least prove that I am able to have a clear focus and grasp on myself.
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Can someone tell me about reserve component psyops? I am starting to really dislike the guard. I don't really expect the reserves to be better but it would give me a small chance at language school.
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Zetta_Slow posted:The second diagnosis was stupidity on my part. I was having a really hard time in school (learned that giant 500+ people non-online classes in University are just not for me) and he was heavily against prescribing me anything, but said he was open to something called strattera, which he said is a non-stimulant and non-addictive, but I am really anti-drug in any way and didn't want to get started with any. Would it be best to find my ADHD report from 15 years ago and try to show that I was diagnosed as a child? It was when I was so young that I can't even remember ever taking medication, but my parents said that I did and they took me right back off of it because of a huge personality change. I have no issues functioning without medication and I am a pretty down to earth person, I thought that getting a good score on my ASVAB would at least prove that I am able to have a clear focus and grasp on myself. If you can find the records, it may be worth getting a copy of them. Otherwise, I would oftentimes have the parents write a statement that says how long ago you were diagnosed and how long you were on medication and why you can't locate medical records (doctor retired, building burnt down, floods, etc). Moving to a new area isn't a good enough excuse though, because the Air Force will try to get the recruiter to contact a local recruiter in that area to track down records. Air Force recruiters have always been pretty lazy because anyone with an ounce of common sense wants to join the Air Force instead of one of the other branches of service. So even during the surge, Air Force would turn folks away if it meant they had to do work because there are so many other qualified people that didn't require as much effort. Your best bet is to show the recruiter that you are willing to do the legwork to collect statements or records or whatever, so it won't burden him. If you go to the Navy or Army or even the Marines (lol don't do that), they will most probably tell you to STFU about ADHD and sign up with them. Provided there is nothing else disqualifying you, of course.
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go marine air wing instead. its basically the same as the air force but you get to slay massive amounts of vag too
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That's just mean, we're trying to help people in here. Don't enlist.
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Talked to my recruiter today and he told me that he screwed up really badly. He said that he botched the ADHD procedures really badly and this is going to lead to me and him doing tons more paperwork. He said that my high ASVAB score is the main reason that he still wants to work everything out with me, but I am not disqualified or anything, the chief medical officer wants more paperwork on my ADHD. He said I need all ADHD documents from the past, all medication records, all transcripts, all GPA records, and that I don't have something called an 'iep' throughout my school years. Now I went into old records and found the original diagnosis, and I wasn't actually prescribed ANY medication for ADHD. Is this going to help me out in any way? (The original diagnosis in the records was from age seven)
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Having a IEP is a Disqualifer for the Air Force? I'm pretty sure that's an "individual education program". Anyone who struggles in elementary school can get one.
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Sounds like you won't have any issues getting in then. Stick to that workout, don't get in trouble, and you should be good. I don't know if you've answered before, but do you have an idea of what jobs you're interested in? Did your ASVAB break out what your individual scores were (General, Electrical, Mechanical, Administrative) or was the number just an overall 90?
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LingcodKilla posted:Having a IEP is a Disqualifer for the Air Force? Yeah, it means you were in special ed at some point.
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