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Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

FlyingCowOfDoom posted:

I posted like a year or so ago about thinking of joining the military and you guys totally shot me down and told me not to do it.

Thank you so much, just a little more perseverance and I got an awesome job with the ability to move up and learn in the IT field. Ill stick to reading about the bullshit you people go through while sipping a stiff drink and smoking a j.

If you have a degree, or are working on one, DONT ENLIST IN THE MILITARY!

GIP success story. I met a Specialist with a degree in Physics while he was picking up cigarette butts in the side if the road today. Smoke that j, if not for you, then for us.

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Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
I was on a plane to basic training like ten days after I went to MEPS, but that was in 2006.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

droey posted:

Okay, fair enough. With my stated qualifications, what type of job should I try to aim for that would allow me to travel outside of the United States? I have nothing tying me down here besides family, but they're supportive of whatever I do. I would love to be stationed in a preferably Western European country. My civilian job was working in a pharmacy and I have a chemistry degree, maybe I could get a job working in military hospitals to some capacity?

Google USAJobs and search from there. Biggest military medical facility in Europe is Landstuhl. Good luck navigating the application process. You might want to find someone who knows how it works before you start.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
I hear 88M compliments a Logistics degree wonderfully.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
Every ROTC battalion has a recruiting officer. Find the one responsible for the school you're looking (if that school does not host the local ROTC program, he's probably going to work at the one that does) to attend and give him a call.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
A 3.2 is about average for Cadets, but if it's STEM you'll look more attractive. There's a physical you have take called a DODMERB in order to become a contracted Cadet with ROTC. They're going to ask you about your mental and medical history. Telling them you have a history of depression is likely going to disqualify you. I don't know if you can get a waiver for depression. As far as the migraines go I don't know, I've never known anyone with that problem. I can tell that the Army is becoming very, very picky compared to the past decade. If you do some Google Fu on Army medical recruiting standards you can probably find the regulation that spells out recruiting and retention standards. But again, your best source of information for getting into the program going to be the battalion recruiting officer.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
Maybe there hoping you'll get frustrated and enlist 11B.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
I'm neither in the Navy nor a recruiter, but it sounds like he's blowing smoke up your rear end at the best and outright bullshitting you at the worst. I don't know, maybe the Navy uses the term reclassing in a different context than the Army does, but it should be common sense that you don't sign a contract for one thing with the expectation of doing something else. Wait for some of the recruiters or Navy folk on here to give you feedback, but it sounds to me like he just wants you for his numbers this month.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

gay jesus posted:

For what it's worth, he told me he already has his number for this months and most of next month. I see what you mean though.

Oh, well if he says so...

Ask a different recruiter in an entirely different region if the line you're getting is kosher. It may be that easy for someone in the Navy DEP to change their rate, I haven't the foggiest. But I would recommend you confirm before signing.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

DoktorLoken posted:

Waivers to SPC at 18 months TIS in the Army. :smug:

Does it really take 36 months to hit E-4 in the AF?

Did they bump it up? I picked up SPC with 13 months TIS.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

Commoners posted:

Two and a half years to E5 Navy. :smugdog:

Marginally acceptable aptitude to commissioned Army officer. :chord:

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

GAS CURES KIKES posted:

be the most successful barracks/dorm lawyer in the history of the DoD.

He is the one whose birth was prophesied by the elders and signaled by the star. Lo, the enlisted messiah comes to bring the kingdom.

He's right, if you weren't enough of a self starter to practice law you probably don't want to be an officer. Being enlisted is a whole different ballgame and if you can't find a job anywhere else it might be worth considering only if you can get the Loan Repayment deal in your contract. It's a few years of your life for a fresh start.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
For the love of God, don't get married just for BAH. This is retarded in so many ways, all of which will end badly for you. At the very least if you get a paper marriage, you are never ever going to be able to date openly. What decent woman is going to date you when you have to start every relationship with "Oh I'm legally married by the way hope you don't mind." I don't know about the other services, but the Army tends to crucify people who commit BAH fraud. Not only are you risking punishment but you're exposing yourself to potential financial headache down the road: what happens when you decide it's time to part ways because you want a real relationship or marriage and she decides she doesn't want to give up her share of the cut, healthcare, etc? Is it worth potentially paying alimony/losing a portion of your retirement to her? poo poo, I can't believe people even have to be explained that this is a stupid loving idea.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

GAS CURES KIKES posted:

It wasn't even that long ago that being a near sighted felon with a history of mental health issues and a wife and kid wasn't even an impediment to getting into the military.

gently caress you, I pull my own weight.

But yes, something as trivial as an optometry error becoming a bar to enlistment means things are getting rediculous. I think this means we're out of money.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
Off the top of my head suggestion: See if you can CLEP a few subjects, have the credits transferred to your local cheap community college, and then just take a class or whatever to fulfill the 15 credit requirement.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

Defleshed posted:

It is my understanding that required participation in unit PT can vary greatly throughout the JAG Corps, depending on where you are assigned and of course on how assertive your SJA is. I definitely am "required" to be at unit PT five days a week in spite of my moderate-to-heavy case load, but that could very well be a function of the fact that my SJA shows up every day as well and doesn't take excuses lightly. Some other JAG's I know, especially the Trial Defense Services guys, scoff at the very idea of unit PT that doesn't involve some basketball at the gym in the middle of the day on a Tuesday.

We don't have daily formations other than PT formation, but we definitely participate in the frequent change of command and other bullshit stuff that goes on at a Division headquarters.

The law center I worked in was brigade sized and held its own separate PT formations led by the NCOIC. The attorneys were all handled by the brigade JA and if they had work to do they were cut loose. If there was a trial or something going on PT was pretty much the first thing to go. Unless we were doing group PT it was very much jus doing your own thing in the gym for at least 45 minutes and leaving whenever. To be honest half the time I ran on the treadmill for fifteen or twenty minutes and then dipped out to a German bakery. The TDS attorney never did PT with the rest of the law center because of the fear it would give his clients the wrong impression. I did it when I worked there to avoid getting fat and because the TC liked to talk about his cases there. Like anything else in the Army the farther you are from the flagpole the more lax things are.

e: we were also more or less orphans from our brigade HHC.

Whipped Buttcheeks fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Mar 27, 2013

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

Declan MacManus posted:

I already have a degree from a four year university (it's a useless english degree but it's a degree). Would joining the Army as a paralegal be a horrible decision?

Being a Paralegal was the cushiest thing I ever did in the Army. If you're going to go in with a degree, this really isn't a bad MOS to pick to do it. It's a very small community and they generally take care of their own. I've known a couple of guys who went on to law school and came back as JAGs because they were competent enough to get recommended by the attorneys they used to work for.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

Vasudus posted:

Your unit also has to release you from the reserves in the first place, so it's two parties that have to decide. Depending on your MTOE and your MOS/skill level, that may or may not be impossible.

IF, and only IF your reserves slot is overstaffed and your active component is understaffed will a transfer be even remotely realistic. If you're any of the common MOSs you can pretty much forget it. And again, this was PRE DRAWDOWN.

Don't enlist in a reserve component if yo ever have any intention of being active duty (unless youre going into ROTC). I squeeked out to active duty in 2010. I got lucky because I did it in Germany. My DD368 was signed by a Captain (it was supposed to be a one star). There was no MEPS, I did all the admin and medical stuff locally. My Recruiter just telephoned the Albany MEPS to process the enlistment. Had I done it in the States I probably would have gotten boned on the release being incorrect.

Once you have a signed conditional release in your hands now is the best time of the year to see a recruiter. The fiscal year rolls over and that's your best shot of squeezing in. They release business rules for processing prior service enlistments that specify what rank/MOS can walk on. If you don't fit into that category, you have to reclass. If there are no slots to reclass into, gently caress you.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
Let's be honest, this is probably where half of us will wind up anyway.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

The Agent posted:

Since the general consensus to "Should I be a military pharmacist?" has ranged from roughly :newlol: to :laffo: I guess I will be shitcanning that idea. Thanks everyone.

Better idea. Figure out how to use USAJobs and throw your resume on the stack. Hope you win the lottery. Live overseas, make fat stacks on 9-5, and take your wife to the Louvre without having to fill out a mileage pass like a grown rear end man.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
e: Wrong thread.

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
For those dead set on going active duty through OCS, you'll have better luck going back to school for a Masters and doing ROTC.

NAPALM STICKS TO posted:

My old roommate enlisted for 6 years, got the army to pay off $60k in student loans in 2 years as well as a bonus, and then promptly went to OCS, where he had a 4 year ADSO (which he already had for the original 6 year contract). I feel like he was the first one ever to win at the army.

Was your friend in Aviation when he enlisted?

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

popejackson posted:

Does anyone have any experience with the Army's Green to Gold program? I enlisted with a bachelors degree and want to get my masters. What type of qualifications would make me more competitive for a commission?

Thanks.

I did it. There are three different Green to Gold options; active duty, scholarship, and non-scholarship. What was your undergrad GPA and what's your PT score?

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
The program is great if you plan on staying in the Army or if you want to get out early and join the Guard/Reserve. It was a a two year vacation from active duty. College is easy after playing Army for awhile. If you have the drive to get through the application process, you'll be fine getting through ROTC.

The active duty and scholarship options are competitive. There's an online packet application where you upload all your stats and supporting documents, they hold the board, and if you get selected you either PCS (active duty option) or ETS and go into the IRR (scholarship option) at the start of your Fall semester. The nonscholarship option is an administrative discharge under the provisions of AR 600-35, 16-2. You get accepted to grad school, the Professor of Military Science (LTC) at the university's ROTC program writes you a letter of acceptance promising to contract you, and you submit a packet w/ a 4187 for your Brigade commander to sign. You need to have 2 years TIS on the day you ETS for school. You take the whole package to transitions and you ETS into the IRR for either the Fall or Spring semesters. You can also join the Army Reserve or National Guard with this option.

Because you are a graduate student, your undergrad GPA only matters for getting accepted into the program. For accessions (competing for an active duty vs. reserve commission, competing for your branch), ROTC will only use your graduate GPA. The Active Duty option requires you to serve as an active duty officer no matter. For the scholarship and nonscholarship options, you have to compete for active duty.

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Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger

popejackson posted:

Thanks for the info, very much appreciated.

Apparently there were only 75 slots this year for Active Duty option, and less expected next year. That's a bummer. I will still be submitting a packet though. I'd rather try out and get rejected than always wonder if I would have made it through the selection board.

You can prep for both, so long as your chain of command supports you. Submit an ADO/scholarship packet to the board and have a non-scholarship packet complete on stand by. If you get turned down at the board, you walk the packet in for your brigade commander's signature and take it down to Transitions. How long did you enlist for, anyway?

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