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Panfilo posted:Conservatives have a confusing relationship with Israel it seems Big news that the ADL finally started supporting Israel.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Big news that the ADL finally started supporting Israel. They have a pretty long and sordid history of letting known nazis get a free pass if they make a public statement supporting Israel (For a recent example, see Elon Musk's infamous Auschwitz tour) but as with everything else, they now live in the post-Trump world where even the least sincere non-apology is too much of an admission of weakness to be permitted by the Republican base
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I still find it totally bizarre that the party that worships Ronald Reagan as someone who deserves to be carved into Mt. Rushmore couldn't seem to care less anymore about the idea of Russian aggression and the very real threat of nuclear attacks. I've lived through both Gorbachev and Putin and, right now, Putin seems far FAR more dangerous, especially as it relates to the genuine likelihood of nukes being used. I suppose the Cuban missile crisis is still the peak of A Real Nuclear Threat but I wasn't born then. Between what Israel and Russia are doing right now, I can't think of a more dangerous global situation in my entire life.
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BiggerBoat posted:I still find it totally bizarre that the party that worships Ronald Reagan as someone who deserves to be carved into Mt. Rushmore couldn't seem to care less anymore about the idea of Russian aggression and the very real threat of nuclear attacks. This is imho a bit of a temporal perspective illusion, for a lack of a better term. Current conflicts seem big and the rhetoric sounds volatile, but we don't remember what the situation in the 1980's appeared like so freshly. If we benjamin buttoned our lives backwards all the way to Falklands war and Soviets in Afghanistan and Iraq-Iran and apartheid SA and all the wars in developing countries and experienced them freshly and 2024 conflicts were only a dim memory, your opinion might be different. I agree with you however about the contrast between Reagan's cold war mentality where alliance partners around the world were seen as vital to USA's continued global leadership, and the MAGA Republican America First, gently caress Others mentality where nothing matters except short term political wins.
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The GOP has moved much further right on immigration since the Reagan era. Even under Reagan they passed immigration reform that is to the left of what the GOP proposes now. also the current Right likes Putin because he is a strongman, which is ultimately what they want, and he is not associated with the USSR despite coming up under that system.
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The current right esteems Reagan because he cut taxes and, most importantly, owned the libs of his time. His actual policies (expanding immigration, global alliance against Russia, etc.) are immaterial. What's important is that he owned the libs and the libs hated him for it.
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BiggerBoat posted:I've lived through both Gorbachev and Putin and, right now, Putin seems far FAR more dangerous, especially as it relates to the genuine likelihood of nukes being used. I suppose the Cuban missile crisis is still the peak of A Real Nuclear Threat but I wasn't born then. It's not accident that Putin is on record saying that Gorbachev is up there with Nicholas II as the worst rulers of Russia/the Soviet Union, as both committed what is to him the most unforgivable crime: giving up power. It's weird, I grew up assuming I'd die in a Soviet first strike or its immediate aftermath but this time around it's both more of a possibility (though I don't think a particularly big one) and I'm less stressed about it. Maybe I've just learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb. quote:Between what Israel and Russia are doing right now, I can't think of a more dangerous global situation in my entire life. Through in the looming geo-political dangers of climate change and I agree entirely.
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Is there a term for when right wingers claim the people on the left airing grievances are in fact not underprivileged themselves? I'm seeing a slap fight online and the gotcha on the right is that the most 'woke' people are not actual minorities but simply middle class white women talking over more conservative, actual minorities. A lot of Spanish speakers are ambivalent/offended at the term 'Latinx' which lends them to believe it is being pushed by progressive non Spanish speakers. Some Muslim groups can be very transphobic, which leads to accusations of hypocrisy when trans allies are pro Gaza since conservatives think those are contradictory beliefs (which makes me wonder, are Muslims "based" for sharing the same transphobic beliefs as people on the right? They're scared of "Sharia Law" but it's ultimately the same theocracy they themselves want so why shoot themselves in the foot by trying to styme their proliferation?) Some minority groups, such as Latinos and Black people, swing much more conservative and religious in older cohorts than their Caucasian counterparts which makes chuds claim it's tone deaf to push reproductive and gender rights on such groups as though the left is contradicting some fundamental belief in these groups. People who grew up in many Soviet bloc countries lived in much worse poverty and have a much greater contempt for socialism than NEETs who grew up comfortably middle class who post on r/antiwork. When leftists implore people to believe the lived experiences from minority voices the right just props up some wunderkind that escaped from the horrors of Venezuelan socialism as some burn. I know to some extent it's the "We should improve society somewhat" "Yet you live in society, curious!" Matt Bors exchange. But it's annoying to have them insist the only ones that care about the idea of systemic inequality are the people who don't "really" speak genuinely on those things. The one funny part is the same statistics they dig up to suggest this also point out that the "woke" cohort also has a higher IQ than their non woke counterparts which makes them kind of crack ping at the contradiction.
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Champaign socialist and college socialist are the two general targets of complaint. Orthodoxy based systems cannot understand non orthodoxy based systems. The open tolerance the left tends to express goes against the me first(cult of Rand) or group first ideas that they adhere too. Essentially, they cant understand charity that isn't somehow self serving, especially charity to a group that is socially ostracized. By raw political analysis its a loosing move to oppose the Israel lobby but leftists are doing it anyway, and for people who likely would not have done the same prior. Its being done on principle and not abandoned when resistance mounts. The right of course refuses to source information outside orthodoxy, and so when it runs into something it doesnt understand it goes to conspiracy theories.
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Barrel Cactaur posted:Champaign socialist and college socialist are the two general targets of complaint. Of course, all of this seems to originate from surveys that indicate that the vast majority of people who consider themselves "very progressive" are upper middle class white women. You'll see similar styles of voting maps poised as some cautionary tale, comparing the voting patterns of white men, white women, white people as a whole, men of color, women of color, people of color as a whole.
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The thing missing from that is the sense of priority. Coalitions are by nature built around issues people think are important, even if they disagree on other things. e.g. Black Americans are some of the most consistently and devoutly Christian people in the country, and yet that doesn't seem to translate into them pulling the lever for Republicans, why is that? Because other issues just wind up being more important, and also, white conservatives don't WANT a coalition with them centered around a shared Christian identity. Along the same lines, before Trump took over the party, elected Republicans were leaning toward courting Hispanic voters more partly because they wanted to head off demographic changes, and partly because they believed it was a major weak point in the Democratic coalition, being very religiously-identifying, socially conservative, often with a deep skepticism of "socialism" stemming from living in countries with awful "socialist" governments. It's kinda hard to bring that to the foreground though when the party line is "deport all of them ASAP." What is the insinuation of this supposed to be? That the progressive coalition might have trouble maintaining support for feminist causes if Muslim and Hispanic voters start bailing for the Republican party? That may be true, but in order for that to happen the Republican party would have to drop the turboracism, and if they do that, some of their coalition will defect too. Are progressives are out of touch with the groups they represent? Sometimes yes, and they get punished for it, it's why police reform has been hitting a wall, but they are still retaining their support for the most part, so they are in-touch enough. Explaining that support despite conservatives supposedly being better allies has required all kinds of ridiculous explanations, like social pressure, deception, and "buying" their support in various ways, but ultimately it's because conservatives aren't their allies and don't want to be.
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Sometimes all conservatives need to reassure themselves is that democrats aren't resonating with some minority groups, not necessarily that Republicans are poaching these voters from Democrat strongholds. The mutterings I'm seeing seem to go like this: -The largest cohort of woke people is middle class white women. -Middle class white women enjoy many privileges that their supposed 'allies' do not have. -The democratic policies primarily pushed through by white woke women are (to conservatives) actually harmful to the groups they are trying to help; high taxes, lax approach to crime, over regulation of businesses, and tone deaf pandering that spends lots of taxpayer money to accomplish very little material improvement. -This in turn gets assumed to alienate other minorities from democrats, since their govt policies don't translate to actual material improvements.
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I mean, no one under 60 watches tv anyway.quote:"I was an employee of NBCUniversal for 30 years, and I am urging you to boycott NBC’s “Meet the Press” tomorrow. e: Seems this guy is a bit of an rear end in a top hat, but boycotting NBC over this is still a good call. https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1771693303953789417 OgNar fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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I guess they aren't fazed by Sydney Sweeney making that spooky movie? https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1771719151524192571?t=HUzpgGDcL5zFla64LAbZ3g&s=19   "One argument against the theory is that she just did a movie mocking Catholicism. I think we can reconcile this by classifying Sweeney as a member of the Nietzschean right. Pro-sex, pro-beauty, and hostile to both Christianity and leftism as two manifestations of human weakness. This would also explain the GLAAD awards, since gay men in Hollywood are very aesthetically and morally pagan/fascist, despite the historical accident of them being on the left in this country due to the power of the Christian right" So I guess the takeaway from all this gobbledygook is that Sweeney exists in some alternate universe right wing identity that conveniently manages to conform to Richard's pretzel logic? TLDR "I think big boobies on cute cisgender women are very attractive, so this must be an indicator this person is conservative because the left hates anything I find pretty. And since she didn't pledge fealty to Stalin's ghost she must totally be on my side of things. "
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Gee I wonder why someone who went through the 2008 financial crisis during the formative years of her life might be liberal
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The Islamic Shock posted:Gee I wonder why someone who went through the 2008 financial crisis during the formative years of her life might be liberal As an engineer who works with a lot of engineers that you would expect to lean more conservative, it's hilarious to me just how many of us are left-leaning because of the 2008 financial crisis laying bare how bullshit conservative economic policy is.
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The nun movie wouldn't be a deal-breaker for a large number of republicans. There are a lot of right-wingers with weird anti-Catholic prejudice. If it's not protestant, it's bad Christianity. I have a coworker who blames laziness on catholicism for some reason. It's almost quaint. JFK being Catholic probably has a little bit to do with it.
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Star Man posted:Anti-Catholic sentiment in America is older than the United States And modern Islamophobia basically uses the exact same playbook as 19th century anti-Catholic prejudice. They're insular, they can't/won't ever assimilate, they have their own system of laws and hierarchy, they're backward and barbaric, they have too many kids, etc, etc.
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Trump even took a shot at Catholics in the same speech he said Jews were antisemitic if they didn't vote for him. We're getting old school with this poo poo.
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STAC Goat posted:Trump even took a shot at Catholics in the same speech he said Jews were antisemitic if they didn't vote for him. We're getting old school with this poo poo.
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OgNar posted:I mean, no one under 60 watches tv anyway. This feels like this guy telling on himself that he hasn't seen the kind of people network news puts on the air for analysis before now. I mean, c'mon, Rick Santorum got hired. What's his problem, just that MSNBC isn't punishing his perceived enemies? They hired George Stephanopoulos and Jen Psaki, so it can't be about hiring former political flacks. This feels like he's disappointed in Pravda.
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She's a flat up election denier and attempted to dispute the results in a official capacity. I don't agree with other figures like Rick Santorum but Ronna is exceptionally bad especially in the position where she's providing national news. Also... Bringing her on Meet the Press really dumbs down the last remaining half way decent parts of cable news too, turning it into now completely sensationalist garbage. But this gets views and money wins.
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selec posted:This feels like this guy telling on himself that he hasn't seen the kind of people network news puts on the air for analysis before now. I mean, c'mon, Rick Santorum got hired. What's his problem, just that MSNBC isn't punishing his perceived enemies? They hired George Stephanopoulos and Jen Psaki, so it can't be about hiring former political flacks. This feels like he's disappointed in Pravda. I think Rick Santorum was hired by CNN and George Stephanopoulos works for ABC, but I take your point, MSNBC has Michael Cohen on way to often. Here's a short list. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-ronna-mcdaniel-firestorm-is-bigger-than-nbc/ar-BB1kuXHP quote:Setting aside the bevy of politicos hired over the years by the Fox News channel — Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Karl Rove, John Kasich, Dana Perino, Ben Carson, et al. — a migration path as reliable as that of the caribou has been trod to the networks by politicians, their aides, their speechwriters, and in one case political offspring: Diane Sawyer to CBS News and then ABC News; Chris Matthews to MSNBC; Joe Scarborough to MSNBC; Tim Russert to NBC News; Susan Molinari to CBS News; Mary Matalin to CNN; Bay Buchanan to CNN; Pat Buchanan to CNN; Paul Begala to CNN; Sarah Isgur to ABC News; Van Jones to CNN; Al Sharpton to MSNBC; Bill Bradley to CBS News; Dee Dee Myers to CNBC; David Axelrod to CNN; Jennifer Granholm to CNN; David Axelrod to CNN; David Gergen to CNN; Donna Brazile to ABC News; Lawrence O’Donnell to MSNBC; Nicolle Wallace to MSNBC; Symone Sanders-Townsend to MSNBC; Jen Psaki to MSNBC; George Stephanopoulos to ABC News; Mick Mulvaney to CBS News; Corey Lewandowski to CNN; and many more, including nepo-baby Chelsea Clinton who, according to POLITICO, was paid a reported $600,000 a year by NBC News. And that’s just the shortlist. Edit: I feel like McDaniel was just a bad hire anyway. NBC is getting pushback from some of their top on air people and I'm not exactly sure what she brings to the table at this point. She was kicked out of the RNC for not being MAGA enough and she wasn't a "never trumper" so she doesn't have that credibility either. gurragadon fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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Like, she didn't get pushed out of the RNC because she wasn't a Trump lickspittle. That's why she was the RNC head in the first place (and why she changed her name). She was pushed out of the RNC because she wasn't quite enthusiastic enough about turning the RNC into a pure Trump money funnel.
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Even Chuck Todd was upset at her hiring, and he has booked way more conservatives to his show than the other Sunday morning shows
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All non-Fox Networks every few years try to poach someone from the conservative sphere to try to tap into those viewers and then are incredibly surprised when it goes terribly.
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Babylon Bee pulled the "where the gently caress is your chin" joke about the master race and people are pissy about it now. Guess they thought they'd be safe. https://twitter.com/VDAREJamesK/status/1772350770114871781?s=19
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Jethro posted:Like, she didn't get pushed out of the RNC because she wasn't a Trump lickspittle. That's why she was the RNC head in the first place (and why she changed her name). She was pushed out of the RNC because she wasn't quite enthusiastic enough about turning the RNC into a pure Trump money funnel. She also got designated at the judas goat to carry off the blame for so many of Trump's picked candidates tanking in the 2022 midterm.
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FlamingLiberal posted:A rare hit for the Bee
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FlamingLiberal posted:Even Chuck Todd was upset at her hiring, and he has booked way more conservatives to his show than the other Sunday morning shows Isn't Chuck Todd leaving MSNBC? To me, that's such a lame rear end cop out. Sure, he's right butt goddamn Todd finally gets the courage his last moments. Must be real hard to criticize management when you are leaving the company! 
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FlamingLiberal posted:A rare hit for the Bee I'm guessing they wanted it as a kinda alibi "see, we're poking fun at all sides!" thing to point to in the future. I guess they didn't quite expect their entire readership going 110% Superhitler over it.
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Left-wing counterpart media, but interesting. Maddow spent 30 straight minutes last night building up an amazing A block that ended with "we've had a ton of fascists run for President before, but never did they have the full weight of the Republican party behind them, and this is why hiring Ronna McDaniel Romney is so offensive to all of us journalists at MSNBC." It was honestly a "is she gonna go there?" moment that truly paid off. If you haven't seen it, you really ought to. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/msnbc-hosts-criticize-nbc-news-hiring-ronna-mcdaniel-rcna145039 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqassXP6HAU
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Perestroika posted:I'm guessing they wanted it as a kinda alibi "see, we're poking fun at all sides!" thing to point to in the future. I guess they didn't quite expect their entire readership going 110% Superhitler over it. I don’t know how. When you reheat the same two fascist talking points as jokes over and over again to build your audience, you’re ability to make fun of them goes out the window when you’re laying in bed with them
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FlamingLiberal posted:A rare hit for the Bee Many are saying this.
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