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Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


STAC Goat posted:

Or like the time they killed Ben Carson with Covid.

...Herman Cain?

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Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


I mean, I had to google just to be sure on my end, wouldn't have been surprised if Carson died of something inconvenient and the GOP simply pretended he didn't exist.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


BiggerBoat posted:

You guys reminded me that I'd heard some jackoff ranting about THE GOVERNMENT forcing car makers to remove AM radios and calling it a war on conservative talk radio. Is it a war on sports talk, NPR and church radio too?

The am talk radio program I listen to declared it a war on conservatism and told people to write their car manufacturers about it.

The fm talk radio show said :shrug: what can you do, change with the times or get left behind. (shrug not audible, but felt)

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Biden made some claim about a trans-oceanic train that would be built, don't know if it was a gaffe or reference to an existing project but RWM gonna chow down on it.

Space Fish fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 16, 2023

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Watters specializes in that Fox-speak that Carlson mastered: "We all agree on this common sense idea, right? Now watch me fire the goalpost from a cannon:

We all remember the fable of the ant and the grasshopper, right? Well, the grasshopper is doing fentanyl using your tax dollars while your kids are taught to grow up to be like them! Where have all the ants gone? We need a new queen, just not a drag queen."

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Panfilo posted:

There's also this annoying pattern where a left signaling person always seems to slam hard right in response to the most milquetoast of criticism from the left. They can't even ignore the criticism and talk past it, it becomes "the left hurt me and I was forced into the sympathetic arms of the right. Shame on them!"

Somewhere around 2019 or so I saw a mini rant on YouTube (the land of rants) where someone lamented that he votes Democrat, attends marches for and donates to left-aligned causes, but felt like a significant portion of online dems took shots at him or tried to cancel him. He said that the GOP was "like a giant party where they hand you a beer and say welcome aboard," and that even though he didn't consider himself "redpilled" he could understand how others made the switch.

I think the video got deleted, either out of shame or after realizing he had the freedom to simply not base his political affiliation on others' judgment of him. I was mainlining social media at the time and kinda-sorta saw where he was coming from in terms of the Trump tent having no real standard besides loyalty to Trump. Watching the further fragmentation of the right and the right's own "circular firing squad" is a thing of beauty. Especially enjoyed republicans screaming at Libertarian voters after 2020, a nice mirror image of democrats hating on Green voters after 2016.

Anyway. Same old "everyone else gets to play the victim but *I* am a genuine victim" schtick in these redpillers.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Carlson's interview with Andrew Tate was such a blockbuster, just imagine all the hucksters and rightfully-maligned personalities he could validate!

(Tate distilling his online presence down to "I told boys to hit the gym and stand up for themselves, what's wrong with that?" and "Guess which voting machines* the corrupt politicians in Myanmar used?" makes him a particularly ideal shitheel for selling what a shameless interviewer Carlson is.)

*For the record, Myanmar used paper ballots and is only now considering going electronic

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


The "X destroys Y" template appeared in popular headlines dating back to John Stewart on The Daily Show, at least in my limited timespan. After a while he even had to pre-emptively defuse such reactions and tell the audience, "please don't try to turn this into JOHN STEWART OBLITERATES RIGHT-WINGER, we're just having a conversation."

As someone who sometimes stops on Mark Levin on my night commutes, I am grateful to hear some references to his no-rizz show, bunker and all. I was confused the first couple times I heard his show and he'd keep appealing to a silent Mr. Producer, which only threw me off because he would angrily demand answers from the guy and get back nothing.

His interview with Mike Pence was amusingly low-stakes, right down to Pence saying, "I've never met a pizza I wouldn't want to see more of, but I've had fried chicken I wouldn't mind never seeing again." Ho ho ho, what a button-up personality, now let's bring on Tucker Carlson to call him a moron and DECIMATE HIS CAREER.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


School Library Journal's coverage of censorship used to amount to an annual list of challenged books and nostalgic "remember when Maurice Sendak was controversial" pieces.

Now it's a regular roundup of material removals, firings, and angry school board meetings: https://www.slj.com/story/Jay-Z-Launches-Anti-Book-Ban-Initiative-Ta-Nehisi-Coates-Attends-School-Board-Meeting-Censorship-News

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


I AM GRANDO posted:

Conservatives have long believed that everyone who can’t work deserves to die, and that some people deserve to die no matter what work they can do.

I've noticed that Frankl's "Man's Search For Meaning" gets recommended/cited by right-wing personalities fairly often, and I would love to hear greater analysis from them than either recounting the premise or "he learned to survive a living hell, so inspirational" takes. Frankl in the book delves into how some people acted more heroic when possible, while others became more cowardly/villainous. And others simply scraped along.

Gutfeld using the book to fire back on a point comparing the Holocaust and American slavery seems well past the point of intellectual dishonesty and into ghoulishness.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Loving all the bloviating in rightwing spheres about "if they can take down Trump for nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights, then they can come for any of us!"

And how, pray tell, was that free expression used? Even Bill Barr said on air that actions have consequences and the indictment was fine.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Mellow Seas posted:

What? "You're supposed to sing the national anthem when it's played" is 0% a convention. Where the gently caress do they get this stuff?

They saw it in a WalMart once, now it's law.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


https://www.reuters.com/legal/musks-x-fund-legal-bills-people-treated-unfairly-due-posting-platform-2023-08-06/

Aug 5 (Reuters) - Elon Musk has said his X social media platform will pay the legal bills and sue on the behalf of people who have been treated unfairly by employers because of posting or liking something on the site formerly known as Twitter.

"If you were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or liking something on this platform, we will fund your legal bill," Musk said in a post on X late on Saturday, adding that there will be no limits to funding the bills.

"And we won't just sue, it will be extremely loud and we will go after the boards of directors of the companies too," Musk said later in response to a post about nothing changing behavior in the U.S. faster than a threat of legal action.


-----

I'm sure this is being discussed in other threads, but this seems like a massive lightning rod that will scorch Musk, X/Twitter, and any number of relative innocents. Maybe their team will balance one "fired as victim of bigotry" case for every "fired for practicing bigotry" case?

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


A lot of this "repubs wouldn't allow police / fire / healthcare as public goods if reinvented today" chat could apply twice as harshly to what public and school libraries are going through right now.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


I AM GRANDO posted:

How does the addition of more people who aren’t white reduce the number of white people? Because the white people are so lazy and weak they’re instantly outcompeted and can’t find work?

The Matt Walshes of the world had to wait through a non-white classmate's portion of "popcorn reading" in grade school and concluded "those people" were holding them back from attaining true wealth and power.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


pangstrom posted:

Any radical centrist third party thing is a defacto think tank for status quo policy and messaging, so capital has a purestrain voice in the conversation they already dominate. They can thrive in the churn of boring political coverage up until actual elections come into focus and the fact that nobody is voting for these weirdos makes it harder to justify. For now! We'll see what miracle of capitalism makes things even worse.

I, too, enjoy Renegade Cut.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


FlamingLiberal posted:

Where do they even come up with this stuff

Sounds like they copied the Mother Jones article about RWM poo poo-headery word for word.

(Mother Jones showing some great compassion and context for the situation)

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Been hearing this case make the rounds, looked online after hearing the "what a poor, innocent Christian" version on the radio, and what a surprise: https://archive.is/AHxrJ

"Football coach fired for his private moment of prayer on the field" was leading prayers and talks to students of a public school, eventually gathering over 500 people as he did so. He was put on paid leave, and the school eventually attempted to rehire him and he wouldn't go back.

Feels like it applies to the "grievance anthem as psyop and paycheck" chat going on.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Cephas posted:

There is no queer literature they consider appropriate. Their explicit view is that teaching minors about gender identity or sexual orientation is "sexualizing our children and grooming them to be sexually exploited." In other words, if you teach a child that gay people exist and that it's okay to be gay, in their view, you are trying to recruit that child to be gay so that gay people can predate on them.

This rhetoric is very, very old, and it was endemic when I was a kid in the 90s and into the 2000s. But the Right has given it a new coat of paint by replacing "child predators" with "groomers" and effectively co-opting the MeToo movement to claim that queers are engaging in mass sexual abuse of minors by teaching them that gay penguins exist.

YA lit moving from queer narratives such as "please don't murder us" and "one day I might work up the nerve to privately hold hands with another homosexual" to descriptions of blowjobs and anal really painted a target, no matter how healthy and informative the intentions of those texts. The culture showdown commenceth!

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


BiggerBoat posted:

Mainstream talk radio is all in on speaking about 2020 election fraud as basic fact now, a stance I don't think FOX has even ran with. Doesn't matter the show, the host is going on about how "it's going to happen again" and "we need to do ballot harvesting and fight dirty like the dems or we'll lose". What's going to happen again? Another legitimately run election that Trump loses resulting in another insurrection attempt and 91 more felonies?

Hannity's openly spouting those points.

How will history books address all this? Public school courses won't get within spitting distance of the moon landing let alone anything after 9/11, so voluntary readings only. Would love to see the hundred-years-from-now reactions. I remember reading vague statements about Barry Goldwater in high school, something about he was so controversial or something about his style informs modern politics, but they'd never say exactly what. Then I did some digging and heard the "I'm not racist, I just don't believe in opposing racism" song everyone has been covering ever since.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


I AM GRANDO posted:

I don’t see what’s so unbelievable about Epstein wanting to kill himself. He was terrified of jail and spending hundreds of thousands a day to be in a briefing room with his lawyer for eight hours every day because he didn’t want to be in jail.

Trump said this to Tucker when he asked on the topic, then silently waited until Trump digressed into an "anything's possible" deferment.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


I mean, Andrew Tate and Donald Trump said they did nothing wrong and that was enough for the ol' Tuckster, how could this subject elude his journalistic standards?

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


There's a book that's all interviews with Vietnam vets - over and over, they all say post-WWII that Americans all but assumed WWIII would be against Russia, and that the Vietnam War was just a warm-up for the next big show.

That, plus the multitude of "we'll turn their country into glass" comments after 9/11, PLUS Trump getting a huge pop anytime he uses the phrase "I'll bomb the hell out of them," tells me America really wants foreign policy to work like dicking around in a Grand Theft Auto game. "You know what? gently caress... that guy!"

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Sprinkling in some "US sold oil to Nazi Germany," "US turned back a ship full of Jewish refugees," "Nazi Germany was inspired by US racial discrimination," and "US allowed gay people from 'liberated' concentration camps to go right into prisons" to give America's hero arc some development and personal stakes. Or is this another example of a least-worst protagonist?

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


DeadlyMuffin posted:

You seem unable to grasp the idea that two sides of something can both do horrible things, but the difference in magnitude makes one side clearly in the right, and the other clearly in the wrong in a conflict.

*pats my hands clean*

I was only sprinkling those observations, not drawing equivalencies. I said least-worst protagonist, which aligns with your interpretation that one side was, indeed, worse.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Crunch Buttsteak posted:

Yeah, the whole "based" system that people like Sneako advocate is aimed directly at teenagers, because the whole point is that you take the most-extreme stance possible on an issue, and then the fact that you refuse to back down in any way is supposed to make you cool. It's laser-targeted at edgelord teens, and while the majority of them will get over it, a non-zero percentage of them won't.

Plus, I remember hearing "herd all gay people onto an island and then nuke it to get rid of AIDS" back in elementary school, so it's not like kids absorbing homophobia from adults is a particularly new phenomenon.

I work in a public-facing job and interact with families, and occasionally I'll talk to a teenager whose worldview is a copy-paste of their parents' one-dimensional worldview. For the barest of prompting, I will hear stuff like, "Society's acceptance of the rainbow lifestyle makes me SO angry!" [followed immediately by asking my religion] or bootlicking like, "I saw someone smoke pot outside and I threatened to call the cops on them, druggies should all go straight to jail."

Tom MacDonald seems to be a common denominator with modern adolescent poo poo-headery.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


A couple days ago, Hannity made too much sense. A caller on his radio show asked his take on the big strikes going on, Hannity brought up the common argument that CEO compensation has grown so much. His solution? If CEOs can tie their pay to performance, then so should the workers, with everyone in the company benefiting from increased profits.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Scott Q. Dilbert belongs to that realm of hacks who enjoyed George Carlin's "List of people who ought to be killed" and thought, I can do that, everyone's an idiot but me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlkxrNlp10 (As a result of looking this up, I had to watch it all the way through)

Heard a call-in to Hannity yesterday who was all for booting out Kevin McCarthy and replacing him. Who might she prefer, our intrepid host inquired? Someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene, someone who puts up a fight and ends the nonsense and has the spirit of 1776 in her! Okay, sounds good, our host mollified, but how will they work with moderate Republicans? No matter, the strategy is to simply kick out everyone who does not agree with the far right. Something must be done, and everyone needs to get on board... even if actual goals were not described in any detail during this call. But someone needs to fight! And defeat everyone else!

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Plus ads that don't have to announce they're ads. X has reached the point of being too fake, too monetized, and too designed around the loudest and crassest voices. So, Parler but with a captive audience of Twitter addicts? Crypto bots are the cherry on top they share in common.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Haley not laughing in Hannity's face is an incredible show of restraint.

He loves to bring up his training in mixed martial arts on his radio show. He can supposedly take 4-5 gut punches from his sparring partner before he goes down.

Anyone think they could drop him in one? (Not advocating actual violence, merely the fantasy comeuppance of a total blowhard)

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Panfilo posted:

"We're a Republic, not a Democracy" is what they always say. The constitution humpers seem to want everything up to the states. Paper ballots, no early voting, mail in voting only for active duty military.

Hannity assures me he wants mail-in ballots for anyone who needs one, just not anyone who wants one.

Also, he reiterated his martial arts training yet again last night, with the caveat that he would rather turn tail and run, even on camera, than harm another human being (including using his handgun).

He's the circle AND the square!

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Crunch Buttsteak posted:

"Oh no, there's a buttplug in a book a TEEN has access to, that's way too much for them!!" My dude, if a post-pubescent teen owns a cell phone, they are regularly using it to watch/read porn the types of which we need to invent entirely new terms in English to describe and they're turning out just fine, calm down.

I am not a fan of the "if they have internet then nothing is shocking" angle, it plays into the other side's justifications for pearl-clutching too well. The suggestion received is twofold: teens deserve the harshest censorship/monitoring, and school/library standards are benchmarked to "just short of pornhub" and therefore not to be trusted.

There is a take I saw early in the Gender Queer discourse that doesn't come up often: it wasn't a hit with teens upon release. There was an article about a school where that looked into the checkout numbers for Gender Queer the two years it was available: zero. There were drawings of dicks in George Washington's mouth in history textbooks that had a wider-ranging effect than the comic. One Piece is warping perceptions of gender at light speed in comparison (both via its depictions of women and its own trans character).

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Won't he be in South Carolina this weekend? Is there a leading cause of death in the South that would snatch him away?
(Acknowledging that if Florida heat/humidity didn't take him, not much will...)

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


BiggerBoat posted:

Whatever shill was filling in for Hannity today had...Victoria Jackson on as a guest and it was as hilarious and depressing as you'd think. I guess Rob Schneider or Kevin Sorbo might be on Friday. Even though celebrities should stfu about politics.

Hannity had a wonderful brain fart earlier this week - he was stumbling through a promo of a movie he featured in, and he was able to somewhat describe the careers of all the actors in it until he got to "And it has Victoria Jackson... who everyone knows. Plus...!"

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Edge & Christian posted:

Super Size Me was probably the movie Panfilo was thinking of, since it was in fact a documentary about a guy eating nothing but McDonald's for a month.

Fun reminder: Morgan Spurlock's alcoholism heavily skewed the effects McDonald's had on his body.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


"Children! MY children and NOT anyone else's, as children are property so I only care about MINE!! Also, DEI is dumb."

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Is Lindell running Robert Kiyosaki's galaxy brained play of "owe a billion to the bank, it's the bank's problem?"

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Panfilo posted:

:smug: "Pffft, leftoids are so ignorant, they need to read up on history."
*reads history*
":byodood:" Wait no not like that! "

Exhibit B: https://bsky.app/profile/helenkennedy.bsky.social/post/3kixigj7l7f2h

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


dr_rat posted:

Forty years on though and no giant tech pyramid though. :(

Sometimes the giant sphere in Las Vegas is an eyeball and gazes into your soul

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Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Panfilo posted:

Lol
https://twitter.com/HalfwayPost/status/1747389095414730794?t=u0qsxhVo0HEUoadiMOuCbg&s=19
:qq: How could there possibly be so many face eating leopards that would be biting my face in the face eating leopard party?

I thought the GOP was the "don't care if you're black, white, purple, from outer space, it's just about can you get the job done" party???

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