TheDeadlyShoe posted:

how does something trade at literally zero anyway

Lemniscate Blue posted:

Yeah, here's a more in-depth discussion of the fashy turn the Libertarian Party has taken lately: https://www.thedailybeast.com/libertarian-party-is-fighting-a-civil-war-over-its-right-wing-mises-caucus

Discendo Vox posted:

Yes, outgroup terms that get wildly abused are common across the spectrum, e.g. "liberal" gets used for anyone looking to be designated as outside a chosen group's concept of leftism, "idpol" too, or "incrementalism". "fascist" also usually counts, because there's often not a factual underlying definition being applied. For example, the January 6 attack was only "fascist" under relatively expansive definitions or by attributing the underlying ideology of the people it supported- it's more accurate to say it was undemocratic, populist or a number of other terms. The term "fascist" is difficult because it's historically got so little consistent substance beneath it in the first place. "chud" similarly tells you nothing about who you're attaching it to other than that they're presumably right wing or conservative in some way.

Discendo Vox posted:

Albert Hirschman broadly identifies several arguments that can be used on the left to ruin discussion; among the ones commonly deployed on the left are imminent danger claims ("anything other than immediate, unquestioning action guarantees total failure of society"), and an argument he doesn't give a name, to but that is basically argument by ultimatum: "anything less than the immediate action I am demanding is really justifying the status quo, and proof that you are in favor of it". This last one is great for dismissing any specific action in favor of some other less achievable action that needs to happen first, now now now.

In any ideological direction, the power of these arguments is that they can selectively dismiss information that might make more specific, complex, less ideal claims about the subject. They also tend to come as attacks and be couched in terms of hypothetical outcomes, which makes them distracting or hard to argue against with specifics.

After The War posted:

"Late Stage" is something that can only describe good things, right?

Panfilo posted:

It's 2023 and there's no simple straightforward way to get a clear AM signal next to an electric motor?

Panfilo posted:

This shameless doubling down isn't new, and it's pathetic that people on the right interpret it as a form of strength.
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1730289034147274836?t=I1MStOVifDYXsMPeo0ckFQ&s=19

BiggerBoat posted:

DarklyDreaming posted:

In the aftermath of the 6th I was amazed at how many people thought they could just go back home and clock back into work on January 8th. Here it's the opposite, I'm genuinely amazed at all the people who left everything behind, fully expecting to die in valorous defense of the homeland.

...! posted:

On the Dick Clark New Year's Eve special, Billie Joe Armstrong sang the updated lyrics for American Idiot rather than the old ones. Specifically, a few years ago they changed "I'm not part of a redneck agenda" to "I'm not part of the MAGA agenda."

The right wing flipped the gently caress out and were ranting that Green Day alienated half their fans by doing that, but the song was never intended to appeal to them.

Conservatives have always misunderstood the message of that song for some reason. It was originally a protest song against the Bush administration and the Iraq War. Now it's a Trump/MAGA mockery song. Considering that Billie Joe Armstrong has yelled "gently caress YOU TRUMP" at nearly every concert for years now, it shows that the right wing has been paying zero attention to the band.

lowly abject turd posted:

yeah really noticing this with my partner's family. lot's of self identified gamers in their early to mid 20's and their default positions are really more comparable to my like maga uncle than anyone else. they seem
like generally decent normal people and aren't particularly ideological; usually willing to reconsider or modify those positions with minimal pushback. just seems like they are just swimming in a miasma of those opinions. like i was a p lovely edgy internet teenager 20 years ago but much of that felt much less mainstreamed though hard to trust my perceptions on that

OgNar posted:

This has started popping up.
Wonder what kinda of troubles this may cause his or his daughters products manufactured there.

Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against China
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/

"Two years into office, President Donald Trump authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to launch a clandestine campaign on Chinese social media aimed at turning public opinion in China against its government, according to former U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the highly classified operation.
Three former officials told Reuters that the CIA created a small team of operatives who used bogus internet identities to spread negative narratives about Xi Jinping’s government while leaking disparaging intelligence to overseas news outlets. The effort, which began in 2019, has not been previously reported."
"Although the U.S. officials declined to provide specific details of these operations, they said the disparaging narratives were based in fact despite being secretly released by intelligence operatives under false cover. The efforts within China were intended to foment paranoia among top leaders there, forcing its government to expend resources chasing intrusions into Beijing’s tightly controlled internet, two former officials said. “We wanted them chasing ghosts,” one of these former officials said."

"Reuters was unable to determine the impact of the secret operations or whether the administration of President Joe Biden has maintained the CIA program. Kate Waters, a spokesperson for the Biden administration’s National Security Council, declined to comment on the program’s existence or whether it remains active. Two intelligence historians told Reuters that when the White House grants the CIA covert action authority, through an order known as a presidential finding, it often remains in place across administrations."

SithDrummer posted:

Not to rain on any parades, but isn't the simplest explanation that these days everyone engages with the social media posts but no one reads the articles anymore?

World Famous W posted:

they will puzzle over the religious meaning of the loss seven lines for decades