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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Their own loving book tells them about real persecution but they have to whine that they can't discriminate against someone else then drag out the same poo poo every holiday season. WAR ON CHRISTMAS WAR ON CHRIST WE'RE SO OPPRESSED.

Read your own supposedly holy scripture instead of trying to get a book deal and time on Fox by "standing against the gay agenda". When you're in the brazen bull then you can talk about being persecuted.

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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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Radish posted:

I think the GOP is more banking on people just forgetting about their lovely behavior a few months down the line and then using identity politics to maintain control of congress and state governments. Having the presidency would be nice but they can settle for two thirds of federal and the majority of states to push their poo poo. The power guys probably don't really care too much about gay marriage or abortions as long as they keep getting to suck wealth out of the country into their own pockets so EH if the SCOTUS rules against that kind of thing now and then.

There's more and more true believer Tea Party billionaire backers but I think the insider guys still are more about gently caress You Pay Me than ushering in the rapture, nuking the Middle East, or whatever it is those nuts want.

This is a really important thing to take note of. How do magicians work? They have one big, flashy hand waving a huge colorful scarf while the other is taking your wallet. I'm sure republicans would love the presidency too because they could rat-gently caress the nation unimaginably hard if they had executive and legislative branches (arguably even the judicial) at the same time, but people like the Kochs are playing the long game. Sure they'll dump half of a percent of a percent of their fortunes into the presidency anyway just as a matter of course, and it's loving amazing to the rest of us to hear "They spent how many hundreds of millions and didn't get the office? LOL" but they could not possibly give less of a flying gently caress about such a paltry amount and the real work they're doing is the other unlimited money going to permanently funded think tanks, local and state PACs, 24-7 news/propaganda mills, unfathomable armies of lobbyists and on and on and on.

They'll lose the battle and win the war.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Spite posted:



Maybe the Republican Party should finally admit that it only believes in shrinking government when Democrats are in charge of it.

And only if it would be money spent on something that isn't a billionaire's solid gold diamond studded cock replica or the military.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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Pleasing Shape posted:

When you're shaking hands with

at every campaign stop, you don't need to worry about your Flesch–Kincaid grade level being too low.

I need a dumbshit-to-english translation on this. Favorite Muslims, but thumbs up Trump?how are we under attack 'by' western civilization?

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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TheDeadlyShoe posted:

i saw it as trump being a salesman, you humor the idiots you are trying to get to buy from you

it's cowardly but its also pretty par for course

there's been enough reported incidents with crazy assholes saying stuff like that at republican town halls that every single republican politician must have handwaved off some truther obamamuslim nonsense at some point

generic problem with the republican party

While it is a generic problem, I can't help but remember a certain Trump-like person leading the charge on birtherism. He doesn't get a pass on disowning the Frankenstein's Monster he had a hand in creating.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Conservatism, not failing, only being failed, yadda yadda. At this point we live in such a post-factual society that all they have to do is get up and scream about it being a union's fault. Yes that sentence makes your head explode. Welcome to modern politics.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
I really can't wait for the clown car conservatives trying to one up each other on the crazy to get around to just flat out denying the pope's authority and claiming their superiority. I'm not sure who or what organization is going to do it first but at this point it is inevitable. They cannot stand for someone that says "Maybe you shouldn't rat gently caress the world, its resources and everyone on it as hard as possible to make a buck" and the current one doesn't seem to be backing down on that.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Yup, just gonna tell this Jesuspope guy or whatever how wrong he is with that whole "maybe don't treat the less fortunate like dog poo poo". Obviously because I'm rich I'm a better person than him. Where does he get these ideas, they're so obviously wrong.

I don't subscribe to the historically perfectly accurate divinely inspired word of god interpretation for the bible but I've got to give credit where due, it's pretty drat accurate on the social commentary of humanity.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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Traveller posted:

When the GG hordes finally break through the paywall and put SA against the wall, only MMO HMO will be spared

Bring it. GiP and TFR will take them all on.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
OH MY GOD A SCIENTIST CHANGED HIS MIND OH MY GOD.

You pig-ignorant, disingenuous mother fucker that is the verbatim god drat definition of the scientific method. That's what science DOES. When does this fat gently caress finally choke on a big mac and have his heart explode? I want the world to get better in just that little way.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Taken out of context? Get hosed Rush you bloviating sack of poo poo everyone knows the "context" of what you say and your quotes don't even need it anyway. "HURRRR, HOW SCIENCE WORK? Me not likey, it be wrong!"

bird food bathtub fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Sep 30, 2015

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Sir Tonk posted:

O'Keefe is trying to stretch his voter ID thing he pushed for Hillary a few weeks ago. I think he's trying to get Trump pissed off this time, should be interesting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-B-CH-FACE.html




Oh no, a voter registration volunteer was misbehaving! Collusion!

You god drat Democrat kettles are all black, and I know because I'm a pot!

(There's a voter suppression/black voter joke in there somewhere but :effort:)

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
For a moment there I was beginning to think about having a glimmer of respect for media organizations not making GBS threads the guy's name everywhere and giving him the validation he, and all the other copycats, wanted. Glad that's over though, the universe is as it has always been. Media talking heads are soulless husks concerned with nothing but their paychecks and the management behind them would rather have a ten second sound bite to maintain their agenda than contribute anything positive to society.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

beatlegs posted:

I'm still numb over the fact that at this point Trump is an extremely popular leading GOP candidate and he refuses to give a single detail about his policies. Will he ever? And will anyone ever give a gently caress?

His policies are going to be great. Yooj even. Great, yooj, and they'll gently caress over those minorities/gays/foreigners/whatever that I hate because they're the ones really damaging this country. I need to get everyone I know to vote for him to save America and make it great again.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Epic High Five posted:

Actually lately I've been playing their game and enjoying it greatly. Making up my own narrative on the fly and posting stuff tagging them with no fact checking or critical thought at all. They spend all the time on the defensive and I get to trot around like Mr Know It All. It's been extremely liberating

If they want to respond with critical thinking and evidence then I've successfully brought them down to my level, where I can beat them with experience

Teach me your ways, cause this sounds fun as hell but I just can't wrap my head around how to do it.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
The Onion nailing a line drive out of the park:

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/justice-scalia-dead-following-30-year-battle-socia-52356

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

beatlegs posted:

It's hilariously stupid how people on CNN and elsewhere are debating Rubio's claim that lame duck nominations haven't happened in 80 years, as if it's assumed that it's some sort of "custom" among presidents. What would be the loving logic to that if it were true? Why is it OK to nominate in the first three years and not the fourth and why have I not heard of this before, CNN? Is something true just because some Republican nitwit claims it is?

...CNN's "fact checker" gave Rubio's statement a "mostly true" rating so there's my answer i guess.

Well you see, the issue is really very black and white.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

You might be able to get a comedy show or something with your jokes. Should look into that.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Ya know what's a fun game to play with the Truth Is In The Middle poo poo?

"Who said it, Cliven Bundy followers/sovereign citizens/FOX viewers or ISIS?" Now there's some obvious stuff you can't put in that game like ranting about the federal government or zionist conspiracies and the like but if you pick the non-obvious stuff hoooo boy does that game get difficult and fast.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Rorus Raz posted:

Savage is going whole hog on "Scalia was murdered" conspiracy theory.

Is this picking up traction, or just another sign of Savage totally losing it?

I mean my initial gut reaction is, "No loving way. They're not that far out to lunch that the main stream will start suggesting assassination. They'll leave that to Alex Jones and just support it on the down low" but the last 7 years or so have been just so goddamn bonkers that at this point who knows? Trump may very well spout off the insane poo poo the base wants to hear by "just asking questions!" and get the ball rolling in public. It's already on their mind, you just know it is and I'm sure he does too.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Why do we not live in a sane universe? Because if we did you would never have to even say two words to Trump. Just play videos like that on a loop and nothing else. Instead we're living out Idiocracy with a literal loving wrestler running for actual president.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Destroying the party may be a side effect, but destroying ¡Jeb! personally is absolutely a purposeful act. Just so happens that making GBS threads in those particular cheerios has bent the establishment over a barrel.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
The eugenics part of Idiocracy is more of a plot hook than a prediction so I wouldn't go looking to it for genetic manipulation advice and plotting the future of our species based on it's sage advice. The satire of modern life part of it is eerily accurate though.



I mean, I can see a few similarities there.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

StandardVC10 posted:

One difference between Trump and Nixon is that Nixon had decades of political experience prior to becoming President. The Congress he worked with was also much more moderate.

Yeah but who needs political experience when you're such an awesome businessman? We want to run the country like a business right? Just get someone who says, loudly and constantly, that he's great at making a deal.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

FuzzySkinner posted:

It's sad. Even the GOP Representative we have representing our part of the state in the US congress? Good man. As is the State Representative who's actually get's along quite well with the teacher's union. They're legitimately fiscally conservative and not in a "gently caress THE POORS" type of way.

This guy just comes across as insane.


There might have been a place for no-poo poo actual conservatism back when that was a mental framework that meant "Hey let's not throw the entire system on the bonfire overnight and break everything, we need to be measured and careful while we work towards a solution". There may in fact even be a place for that kind of thinking today, at the very least as a presence in any kind of informed debate.

We don't have informed debate in America, we have the WWF cage match reality TV that Trump has turned political debates into and a "free press" that is either concerned about what makes them the most money on their next quarterly earnings report or what their network's billionaire sugar daddy emailed them to talk about today. That conservative mental model as a guideline for thinking about solutions to problems today is as out of place with the people who call themselves conservatives in the US as a pile of warm cow poo poo in a five star gourmet restaurant. They've long since given up caring about the hard work of solutions in favor of draping themselves in a flag and xenophobic hate speech to get the quick payoff of easy votes today, screw tomorrow.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

KomradeX posted:

Mother loving CNN, I was watching some I'd the Republican debate last night and the one thing that enraged me the most was how the candidates just ignored the bells that signaled when their time was up and how they just loving ignored it and the only loving time that empty headed poo poo Wolfblitzer interrupted them fir going over their time was so they could cut to commercial. It was the most absurd bullshit

Is there some grand technical or business plan that I can't see behind them somehow forgetting the lost and arcane art of cutting someone's mic? I mean drat that was a poo poo show from the get-go. I actually started off thinking "Oh that's the you're out of time sound", went over to "Well OK that can't be what that sound is nobody has ever stopped once for it" and looped back around to "Oh. Oh, it is...this is just that loving terrible".

As funny as it was for Carson to ask someone to attack him so he can respond, it showed he had no idea what was going on because the 'real' :airquote:presidential:airquote: candidates just poo poo all over each others speaking time to get in a snarky one liner.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

moths posted:

Yeah, to clarify I mean they're mad at Bergdahl because they're socialized not to blame the commanders who endangered them as a consequence, or the army that hired him when it shouldn't have.

You hear interviews where people are like "they had us looking for Bergdahl in stupidly dangerous places where he wasn't." But soldiers blame Bergdahl for that despite "They" being more to blame for bad search efforts.

It's a very common military mindset: A guy fucks up and the group is punished. But if you ask why they're being punished, 99 out of 100 people will blame the screwup and not the concept of group punishment or outdated leadership traditions.

I would separate out 'outdated leadership traditions' and 'group punishment' in a much clearer manner. To be sure there are lovely, outdated leaders that abuse the gently caress out of group punishment. Been there, done that, no questions about it. Group punishment itself, however, is a necessary thing in the modern military as it exists today.

You've got to take fresh-off-the-street, clueless, barely 18 year old kids some of who are, umm, "common clay of the west" types and force them to be constantly covering each other and watching each others backs so that even before a firefight nobody forgets to put their body armor on right and when the bullets start flying and there is serious, no-poo poo, life-in-danger panic nobody gets left behind. You're forcing teenagers to think about other people. That is like, the exact opposite of what teenagers have done throughout recorded history. I can maybe think of a few ways to do that, but the simplest, fastest and most likely to work on the greatest number of people is group punishment as a part of the ingrained cultural mindset. If you get people thinking from the ground up "one guy fucks up, we all get hosed up" then people will check each other's body armor before the fight and so on.

I will more than freely grant that it does very, very often go too far and you end up with dumb mother fuckers in positions of leadership punishing everyone in a formation for one person having two, not three, pens in the forearm on their uniform (ask me how I know) but it does serve a purpose and not-poo poo leaders can use it as an effective tool.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

robotsinmyhead posted:

That's an entire derail almost worth its own thread, honestly. The efficacy of flying some dumb college freshman halfway around the world to Africa has to pale in comparison by some huge number to letting the Red Cross/Doctors Without Borders/etc do their thing with the same amount of money.

I live in a small town with a lot of churches and there are constant funding drives for this kind of stuff (mission trips, 'disaster relief') - meanwhile, there are actual real life human beings in this SAME TOWN that could really use the help.

I hate pulling out my atheism in public, but this is the one singular topic that pisses me off about a lot of churches in a really general way.

Ya know what would REALLY help? Using that money to get local carpenters employed on a long term basis building those houses and developing a local economy. They would get the houses and stabilize a sector of the economy with steady, socially useful work is the kind of thing that actually builds countries.

gently caress that though, doesn't give them the warm fuzzies of living out The White Man's Burden helping to civilize the filthy natives.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Mr Interweb posted:

I mean yeah, I get that Crowder's directing this at people that are not himself, but this belief is widespread even among non-rich, White libertarians.

Things like that won't happen to them because they are Randian Ubermensch, far superior to common poors who do things like drink water without first becoming licensed as their own water purification specialist, or eat food without running their own fully qualified FDA inspection lab, or breather air without running their own analytical laboratory. In what passes for their minds their own innate superiority means none of this can happen to them and it's through their efforts, and their efforts alone, that they have the clean air, water and food that they have. If anything like that does happen it will happen to the inferior poors first, like it just did, and then their innate Randian superiority, expressed by slavish devotion to the free market, will sort it out before anyone with true value is inconvenienced.

A few poor children they'll never even live in the same zip code as getting some kind of medical thingamajigger they've never even seen and living the life of a poor person anyway is a small price for someone else to pay for their freedoms, and really what were those poors going to accomplish anyway? They might as well be of some use to their betters.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

RC and Moon Pie posted:

I didn't see Matt Walsh's Facebook post on the last two pages. Someone on my feed thought this was actual logic.

He's so close. So very, very close. He can see with remarkable clarity many of the problems with Trump and yet almost aggressively refuses to accept that those problems did not just spring into being whole-cloth purely with Trump's presence alone. Nope, the introspection train jumps the logically dictated, one-way track and derails into Crazytown with "Liberal media" and "Trump followers". Just can't get that one last brain cell to fire off a spark and make the connection that Trump's followers are, in fact, THE REPUBLICAN BASE.

The tried and true knee-jerk, Pavlovian response of "It's da libuhrals fault!" just doesn't work anymore when it's your own base you fool. If Trump is "a bumbling, ridiculous con artist who says whatever he thinks a conservative might say", and conservatives are voting in amazing numbers to support that message, then the phone call is coming from inside the house.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

BiggerBoat posted:

This whole thing about "hypothetical questions" being used as a defense really is a dumb and a blatantly obvious talking point.

Someone somewhere told all these guys to keep repeating the word "hypothetical". But as others have pointed out, it's still a juvenile way to defend horrible answers to honest questions. I mean, candidates are asked hypothetical questions all the time. It's part of the process since no one knows what will happen by the time they take office and no one can predict the future.

"Hypothetically speaking, if 'x' were to happen, would you put boots on the ground, veto this bill, raise taxes, use nuclear force, expand or slash funding for program "y", advocate for citizens to do 'z'? Would you ban THIS? What would you do in the event of a, b and c?" and what have you. This is nothing new and political candidates are always asked these types of questions.

Strictly speaking, EVERY question a candidate gets is hypothetical since it's based off the assumption that they'll even be elected in the first place. What's wrong with asking someone "if this happened, what would you do and what should happen?"
Conspiracy, Noun. 1) A secret agreement to do something harmful or unlawful 2) The act of plotting with others to do something harmful or unlawful 3) A group of conspirators.

Now let me tell you how one person asking a president "Hey, when you're president how will you do X?" is a Liberal Media Conspiracy. What's that, every single major right wing media organization got an email with that day's talking points and specific instructions to use the word 'hypothetical' as often as possible to force a shift in public perceptions by specific word choice? Well that's just hard-hitting journalism, telling it like it is, being a truth sayer.

This is the poo poo that infuriates me. It's like I'm listening to the loving "Whose line is it anyway?" opening monologue. "Welcome to right wing media, the reality where everything's made up and the facts don't matter. Today we're going to define a word however we want because gently caress you we've go so much money we'll buy your entire god drat country, government, media and legal system with our Cayman Island bank account!"

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

David Brooks posted:

We’ll also need to rebuild the sense that we’re all in this together. The author R. R. Reno has argued that what we’re really facing these days is a “crisis of solidarity.” Many people, as the writers David and Amber Lapp note, feel pervasively betrayed: by for-profit job-training outfits that left them awash in debt, by spouses and stepparents, by people who collect federal benefits but don’t work. They’ve stopped even expecting loyalty from their employers. The big flashing lights say: NO TRUST. That leads to an everyone-out-for-himself mentality and Trump’s politics of suspicion. We’ll need a communitarianism.

Well no loving duh you pig-ignorant sack of poo poo in a two piece suit. Welcome to reality I guess? I mean Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, that is reality for the 99%. I've tried to rewrite this sentence like four times now because I'm at a loss for words to attempt to explain how that IS the loving reality for people. It just *is*. It's not people feeling like that might be the way things are, or worrying that it may happen some time soon if things go bad. It just *is*. That's loving reality, right now, for basically everyone.

Why the gently caress would anyone "expect" loyalty from employers anymore? How god drat out of touch ARE you?

gently caress I think I need a drink.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Jurgan posted:

It's the same reason why you can't endlessly decry "killing babies" and then act surprised when someone shoots up a Planned Parenthood.

Well you're half right. We've got this entire thread about a media enterprise that doesn't act surprised when it happens, they blame the other guys.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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beatlegs posted:

Didn't apartment buildings in the olden days typically have a single bathroom per floor? How did people back then make it through life without being horribly traumatized?

Listen we'll not have your facts and reality interfering with this bullshit OK? Nobody wants to hear that transsexuals have been part of every culture that has any recorded history, for as long as they've recorded that history and that bathrooms have never been a problem before this. The loyal right wing media viewers have been given their marching orders by the propaganda machine and now We've always been at war with Eastasia transsexuals.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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Mercury_Storm posted:

Haha is that actually a thing? I was only making the joke cause a family member actually used to cast lead/make gunpowder in an unventilated basement.

Casting bullets or making your own black powder is usually a musket/historical recreationist thing and even then it's going pretty far down the rabbit hole.

Reloading your own casings with bulk-purchased bullets, powder and primers is a really good way to save money if you're doing any sort of regular firing. It's pretty easy, cheap to get into, saves noticeable money over the long term and gives you a lot of control over what kind of charge you put in your ammo if you're at a point where that matters.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Phone posted:

is this the gun equivalent of gamers' "nah man, i can totally notice the lag bro" while wearing Gunnars?

Not really, when you're at the point where you are concerned with the charge in each round you're already doing things like figuring out the exact feet per second you want and then running the math to figure out the charge you want. It's not subjective at all. It's "I want X number for Y conditions, this is the number I need to get it".

Also doing your own reloading saves a lot of money, kinda the opposite of idiot gamer accessory marketing.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Zwabu posted:

So I was flipping radio stations today and caught a bit of the Townhall.com radio broadcast on the Sirius "Patriot" channel.

Some Log Cabin Republican guy was going on about how it's the DEMOCRATS that are to blame for the rise of Donald J. Trump.

How's this work? I only caught this statement at the tale end so I didn't hear the reasoning, such as it is.

A bad thing is happening. Bad things are liberal because liberals are bad things. Conservatism can only ever be failed, so obviously this is the fault of a liberal.

Seriously that's it. Don't put much more thought into it because the person saying it and the people marinating their brains in it aren't either.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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Rick_Hunter posted:

Did they ever explain how galt's gulch functioned with just a bunch of former CEOs that apparently made the world function by pure force of will/personality? Or is that place now just a loving landfill?
Galt was so super magnificent he discovered a free energy machine that solved everyone's problems as soon as they went to its shrine to pledge eternal loyalty and put up a Klingon-style cloaking field around the area so no filthy normals could see into it.

I read the book on a bet and the two of us settled on a draw based on a technicality, 37 god drat pages of one poo poo head speaking uninterrupted saying what could be condensed into maybe one paragraph if Rand wasn't such a stunningly awful author was just too much for me.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
All of the characters have the depth of a cardboard cutout and character development is a bad thing that happens to other authors.

There's also an unbelievably lovely monologue in the book. I do not use that word as hyperbole, I truly do not understand how someone can write such a terrible monologue. Depending on the size of print and the book it can range from like 40-60 pages of one character just spewing out rhetorical bullshit completely uninterrupted. Completely. Nobody else says anything, ever, there are no other actions taking place; completely uninterrupted. Not even a 'he said'. It's paragraph after paragraph, page after page of one of these captains of industry vomiting words at the reader.

And that's just the criticism you can level at the monologue from a technical writing perspective! If you ever want to torture your brain cells until they beg for the sweet release of death you can try to understand the content of that stream of verbal diarrhea. "X is correct, and since X is correct then Y is correct. This makes anyone that agrees with me obviously the superior person. Now let me use a different word to say that X is correct again to prove that Y is also correct." Repeat that exact same loving thing for like four or five PAGES. Eventually things will meander around having a point or purpose, only to veer off into another four or five pages of "And now that Y is correct, Z is also correct so worship me."

I've read some really terrible and terribly written poo poo in my life and powered through it, but I was defeated by that monolith.

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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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GreyjoyBastard posted:

I'm actually vaguely impressed we have any hate crime convictions st all, since the bar there may as well be "announce that you are going to go attack a random [group] person because you do not like the group and then do it". :v:

I dunno, I think we're going to be getting a whoooooooole lot more hate crime convictions now that someone came up with the deviously brilliant idea of making police officers a protected class and violence against them a hate crime. It's loving vile but god drat I have to hand it to them with that one being a major policy coup.

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