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BiggerBoat posted:His bitterness is contrived and driven solely by profit. Don't feel sorry for him. His "folksy stories" just turned out to be less lucrative than being a screaming, antagonistic, bile spewing jerk. That's really all there is to it. If singing peace and love folk songs and telling stories about his childhood made him any money, he'd be well tot he left of Michale Moore. This isn't 100% right. He certainly has a high percentage of huckster in him (not just in radio, but also his past life as an herbal medicine doctor/author) but he really is that nuts and unpleasant according to the people that worked with him. For one, guys like Beck and Hannity are more than happy, for the right price, to do endorsements of local advertisers for affiliates. Savage not only won't take your 3-10 grand depending on market size to do a 30 second commercial read, from what I was told its a bad idea to even ask. He's been fighting with his now ex-syndicator for years for reasons that I don't think anyone aside from Dr. Weiner really understand and I bet there are a lot of people at TRN that weren't sorry to see him go. From a ratings/affiliates standpoint he was at his biggest when he was doing more storytelling and the like. As time has gone on he's spent more and more time doing those MSNBC style rants, and it's cost him. It'll be interesting if any of the bigger syndicators will even want him. As for liberal talk radio not working, I'll badly paraphrase Marc Maron. When a conservative says something on the air his fans will call, email etc. about how smart he is, how right he is and so on. When a liberal does the same thing the typical response is along the lines of "How could you have left the plight of he transgendered/spotted owls/lesbian seagulls out of your discussion of traffic patterns!". Both formats may be talk, but it's an entirely different audience that uses the media very differently and outside of a few markets the only place you'll hear a David Sirota is paired up with a conservative like "Heck of a job" Brownie or on a throwaway AM signal. Edit: Turns out Savage just signed with Cumulus Media, the new owners of Citadel/ABC radio. Cumulus is looking to build 24 hours worth of talk programming a day (along with Imus, Huckabee, Geraldo and others) on their satellite network to roll out company-wide to save $ and replace local hosts. GoatSeeGuy fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Oct 18, 2012 |
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BiggerBoat posted:I've seen this come up a couple of times and these ads aren't exclusive to conservative shows. Lifelock and gold are staples on Al Gore's channel also and all over the left wing talk shows. Glen Beck's ad even ran on Stephanie Miller's show for a long time. The biggest issue with the gold people, boner pills, lifelock etc. is that they will advertise absolutely anywhere, and actively seek out talk stations since they tend to have more commercial inventory than other formats. Even if Stephanie Miller's audience is wired differently than your average Dittohead there's enough overlap as "Talk Radio Listener" to make it more than worth their while. Plus Bill Press, Miller, Ed Schultz, and Thom Hartman are all syndicated by the same company as Dennis Miller and Neil Boortz and others, so there's going to be a lot of overlap from the sales side. What's amazing is the "Do not air during" lists for most of the large national advertisers. Even before Sandra Fluke the list of advertisers that forbid their spots to run in or adjacent to certain shows has gotten amazingly long. A decade ago it was usually just Howard Stern alone, but now it's pretty much every national right wing host, morning shock jock, and the additional "and other controversial programming" catchall. As more shows ended up on those lists, that opened the door for more...interesting advertisers to fill the void. My all time favorite were he ads from 2004 or so selling new Iraqi currency to "invest in America's success", odd you don't hear those anymore.
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Oct 19, 2012 01:32
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FlamingLiberal posted:In the 1990s the law that limited the number of radio stations one company could own was repealed, which led to companies like Clear Channel buying most of them and filling them with right-wing nonsense. Clear Channel is a piece of work. Thanks to Bain and friends they've gone from a company worth 8 billion to being 16+ billion in the hole by doing things like extracting "management fees" or forcing the Outdoor billboard division, which is a cash cow, to send billions to Clear Channel proper forcing them to borrow cash for operating expenses. Best guess is they only have a few more years to live thanks to a 14 billionish loan payment coming due unless they can find a Comcast like company to swoop in and buy them out if the cant refinance. The Mays family that built Clear Channel were old school Texas republicans but these days the company is far more concerned with running things cheaply vs. pushing ideology. They may syndicate Rush, Beck, and Hannity but that's just part of their operation, they also produce shows from Randi Rhodes, Jesse Jackson(!), Leo Laporte, and my personal favorite....The Jesus Christ Show. It's all about cheap content for their 800 stations to put on instead of live human beings. To give you an idea of how they work, sometime in 2008 they decided to eliminate over 1800 jobs, but waited until innauguration day 2009 to pull the trigger on all of them in hopes the news would be drowned out. More rumors are out there saying another 1000 or so employees are dead men walking and Bain is waiting until after the election to avoid any potential blowback for Romney.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Arbitron has been pretty tight-lipped about how they do things. But I would not be surprised if Rush's business model, of giving away his show so that failing AM stations could fill in the dead air, ends up skewing the statistics to make more listeners than their really is. The old Arbitron Diary system (which is still used in smaller markets) relied on people recalling what they had listened to in a given week. This is why stations used to rely on gimmicks like "W Ennnnnnnnnnn B C" and the like, so they would be top of mind when you sat down to fill out your diary. This is also why radio contests would give bigger prizes on Thursdays, the day most people filled out their diary, in an attempt to game the system. It's a hilariously bad system since nobody ever filled out their dairy in real time, and not many can accurately recall what they listened to for every 5 minute chunk of the week. I've seen diaries that claimed to have listened to stations that went off the air, or changed format/names years ago. My favorite story was one mom that filled out the diary for her family (Which happened way too often, it's why so many stations targeted middle aged women.) and reported that her 2 sons had combined to listen to 100+ hours of religious radio. A consultant friend of mine disputed the diary with Arbitron so they called and asked her if her sons actually listened that much. She said she didn't know, but hoped that's what they were listening to- Arbitron accepted the numbers. What ended up happening all too often for shows like Rush is that people would simply write down they had listened to him from 11:00-2:00 Monday through Friday, then Hannity 2-5 and so on greatly inflating the numbers. Talk stations showed huge ratings from this, and the fact that AM listeners tend to station flip less than FM. The new system Arbitron uses a pager like device that picks up an embedded signal each station has. What this means is that nobody gets credit for listening from 9-5 anymore, people go to meetings, the can, or lunch- Where the pager picks up and records the station playing Today's Hits Without The Rap Rap Rap! There are ways to game the new system (Like drive by listening in malls etc.) but what it's shown is that Talk Radio listening is nothing like the diary system used to show. The guy that used to credit Rush with 15 hours of listening a week now only gives him 1/3 or 1/4 of that and so far nobody has figured out how to adjust to that. Rush/Hannity/Beck/Huckabee and the like will always have homes on the radio since they're syndicated by the same companies that own their affiliates but in reality their true reach and influence is far smaller than we think. At this point it's more a matter of perception. On a side note the People Meter also shows far more people tune into Katy Perry/Gangnam Style top 40 stations than were willing to admit it.
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eshen posted:How do you argue or debate with someone who will dismiss any contrary evidence as being liberal media? This person keeps telling me that I "believe anything I read on the internet" when I point things out to them about Glenn Beck's shock jock past and all the lovely things he said, while they only accept Fox News as the only legitimate and unbiased source. Are you asking how you debate with someone who will fight to hold on their beliefs in spite of all evidence to the contrary? Sounds crass, but you don't. If you're polite and defer in the end, to them it's a sign of their superior knowledge/sources/Great Americaness and if you get exasperated it's simply a sign that liberals are every bit the big babies that Rush said they were! Hopefully over time being polite but forceful can infiltrate the bubble they're comfortable in, but don't forget that you probably will never have the 2-3+ hours a day to talk to them that your average talk host does. I know it's probably counter productive and based in schadenfreude but in my experience the only thing that can infiltrate that bubble short term is outright mockery. Treat them the way an AM host talks to a "Big Lib", if you're talking to a resident of GlennBeckistan bring up the Doom Rooms, ask about their survival seed bank, or what a deep seated hatred of white people really looks like. Maybe ask why his BFF David Barton had his latest book disowned by his own publisher. With any luck that might seed enough doubt that the bubble isn't quite as comfortable as they thing, but it's not likely.
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800peepee51doodoo posted:I mean, poo poo, does Rush even do any meets with listeners? Hannity actually goes out and mixes with the hoi polloi on occasion but I don't think Rush ever makes an appearance where there is a possibility some goof in a nascar shirt might make physical contact with him. I don't think any of the big national guys get out that much. Most of them have just installed studios in their homes, and Beck even travels with private security. It used to be commonplace for syndicated hosts to make the occasional appearance for an affiliate but that's gone by the wayside. I certainly don't have any personal experience to relate it to but my guess is they lead pretty average lives for people in that income bracket. For example this is the place Rush sold in NY when he moved to Florida. http://thevileplutocrat.com/bile/articles/rush_limbaugh_is_a_closet_francophile/
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Nov 1, 2012 05:59
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800peepee51doodoo posted:I have a distinct memory of Hannity making a big deal out of all the elbow rubbing he does with all those great americans at his various events but it's been a while since I was in a car long enough to get bored enough for a hate fix. He puts on his Freedom Concerts for charity*, or at least he used to but the few times I've seen him travel it's just hotel-car-radio show-car-Fox show-car-hotel. Until BENGHAZIGATE(!) his show was almost listenable just for the audible desperation factor. Once you get to the point where you admit it's impossible to fact check anything he says without giving yourself an aneurism it's both terrible and fascinating to imagine the world he's trying to sell these people. The flip side to that is why I have so much respect for the tortured souls at places like Media Matters. To go through hour by hour, day after day, noting all the half truths, the complete bullshit, and Akin-style statements has to wear on you. The Great Americanness gazes back. *By charity I of course mean scam, http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6938...6s-for-vannity/
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TheIllestVillain posted:This Debbie Schlussel woman seems like quite a piece of work. Yeah, she never quite made escape velocity to break out but it was nice to see even someone as awful as her can call out Hannity. As for Rush videos, this one will always be my favorite. Before he become super famous he was asked to guest host the ill-fated Pat Sajak Show on CBS. This is what happens when Rush has a non-screened audience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK4byQkn7w They ended up having to clear out the studio audience so he could finish without getting shouted down.
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Typical Pubbie posted:Dana Loesch. She's a CNN contributor which is why you haven't heard of her. Or perhaps not. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/01/kudos-to-cnn-for-dana-loeschs-mysterious-three/191051 CNN seems to have shelved her. She's a Breitbartian publicity hound talk radio host from St. Louis. Coulterish sure, but doesn't seem to have the same staying power.
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Nov 2, 2012 05:52
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Hazo posted:Oh, her. Every time her name comes up I feel like everyone on Earth should be reminded that that evil woman literally wrote a book supporting racism. I've never paid much attention to Malkin, but I recall reading more than a few articles claiming she's just the "one of the good ones" mask for her husbands awful political views or at least its how she started. Is there anything a little more concrete on that? Not that I don't think she's a horrible person who's came to believe this poo poo, if for no other reason than it's quite lucrative.
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Why isn't Levin as popular as Rush? Honestly it's his voice. The people that actively listen to him that are of that mind love him in an almost Beck-like manner, but he drives your average "radio in the background" listener nuts with the nasally yelling. Like someone else mentioned with the Regan fellatio, he also has a far more limited range of topics than your average right wing windbag so he's harder to listen to for 15 hours a week as well.
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Nov 6, 2012 08:35
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BiggerBoat posted:He's gotten especially worse since he announced his retirement. Now it just seems like he's saying poo poo just to say it (Union thugs, socialism, marxist and blah blah blah). I used to find him tolerable at one point when his thing was more about ending the drug war and and poo poo like that but when I listen to him these days I count start counting the blatant lies almost immediately. I've noticed the same thing, I wonder how much of his filter coming off has to come from realizing despite being at least if not more talented than guys like Beck or Hannity he was never going to make it to that level nationally. Maybe it's just a byproduct of being old and cranky while having "gently caress Off" money? I found this funny. He called out Media Matters by name online, and they took him up on his challenge to debate. Of course he cowered out at the last minute because he was "booked", so Media Matters recorded the booked segment. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/14/neal-backs-out/191378
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Nov 15, 2012 19:12
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BiggerBoat posted:I'd love to get on the radio with some of these people and debate them. This really isn't that hard to do, if you have some free time. Mike Stark is guy that used to drive a number of talk radio hosts nuts like this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhR2VnVma0 I don't know if he's still active but he did put together a sort of primer for calling these types of shows. I don't know if he wants it just thrown out there but I have a copy here and if anyone wants a link PM me. Long story short, most of these shows welcome liberal callers. Especially if you sound like a pushover moron they can pants live on air. You're never going to "win" any sort of debate with even the small time local guys since they control the phone line and dump button, but it's easier than you think to derail shows and topics completely in 30 seconds or less if you know your poo poo. Truth is most talk radio hosts aren't that good once their off their talking points. The only hard part is not getting blackballed if you're any good and the fact you're going to sit on hold for 10-20 minutes for most local shows or up to 2 hours to call a Limbaugh or Beck once you finally get through the busy signals.
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BiggerBoat posted:
Unfortunately Stark's Calling All Wingnuts blog is dead, but some of stuff is on YouTube under StarkReports. Since O'Reilly pulled the clip from his website, here's Olbermann's response to Bill threatening a caller with "Fox Security" for mentioning Keith's name on his now defunct show. http://mediamatters.org/research/2006/03/06/olbermann-on-oreillys-fox-security-threat-bill/135024 No audio here, but as an example of what a single caller can do, Mike Stark posted:
Most of these guys (and their guests) work off the same sets of Heritage Foundation/AEI/Cato etc. talking points, so it's usually not that hard to find a fact check out there that leads to fun like this.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Clear Channel, who own the company that distributes his program, are more than $2 billion in debt; and how Clear Channel is also owned by good ol' Bain Capital, who love to liquidate companies after piling tons of debt onto 'em. Actually it's closer to 16 billion in debt, with most of that due in a balloon payment in 2014 unless new financing can be found. Even if Clear Channel/Premiere Radio Networks dies a fiery death, some company will come along and pick up the network. When Bain+Friends came on board CC was worth around 8 Billion or so, now that -8. Along the way to bankruptcy or a merger you're going to see more days like today.. allaccess.com posted:ALL ACCESS has learned that CLEAR CHANNEL is going through another round of layoffs today. The reductions in force appear to be covering several of the company's clusters. Everyone from Producers on up are getting fired by the dozens today throughout the company. They haven't done a large round of layoffs like this since Inauguration Day 2009 (Hoping to fly under the radar) but rumor had it these layoffs were coming as soon as the election was over to avoid any Bain/Romney blowback.
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Adar posted:A little off topic, but when you owe this much money and pile on the debt that fast, it's not actively "management running things into the ground" anymore. Something is fundamentally wrong with their business model and has been for some time. That's pretty good news if you like non-terrible radio. Depends on who's business model you're looking at. If you're Bain or Oaktree (the money behind Cumulus, the #2 radio company) things have to be looking pretty decent. Since Bain took CC private in 2008 nobody knows exactly what they've managed to bleed from the company in fees and the like but if you're just looking for deals to roll debt into radio gets results! Sydney Bottocks posted:Oh, no doubt. I'll take solace in the fact that this is just accelerating the collapse of at least part of the right-wing entertainment complex. Sadly it won't collapse, at worst the name over the door will change. Even if Rush/Glenn/Sean walk because they won't take a 20% pay cut, there's no shortage of B-Teamers that can fill the void. Minus the financial fuckery the radio business still has high enough cash flow that appealing to impotent white males will make you money. GoatSeeGuy fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Dec 6, 2012 |
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Mercury_Storm posted:I don't know how much "skill" it actually takes to convince an audience of what they already wanted to believe, as anyone can be a yes man who says all the things their fans want to hear. To be fair to Rush, he's the guy that made it an industry 20+ years ago. The same way Stern didn't invent morning zoo radio, Rush didn't invent saying crazy pandering poo poo on the radio but he was in the right place at the right time to make it something bigger. Funny thing is, the model that was sort of set in stone for AM radio back in the 90's is collapsing on itself. Radio guys like Lew Dickey (Who spent over 2 billion of other people's money to buy Citadel aka old ABC Radio networks) are trashing RW radio (I'm suuuure that has nothing to do with his choices Huckabee and Geraldo sucking wind) in favor of sports these days and you're seeing more and more format flips since nobody is really sure how to get people under the age of 70 to listen to AM. Right Wing mythology has always been its own distinct universe, but it seems in the last few years instead of living in a parallel world these right wing personalities have gone so far off the reservation the appeal is lost to all but the true believers. The Sandra Fluke incident is a good example of this. Rush didn't get in trouble for calling her a slut per se, it was the fact that he did it for 3 days repeatedly trying to super serve that segment of his audience. He's been in the business long enough to know there would be blowback, but these days doesn't have any options other than give the base more and more of what they want since they're the only ones tuning in on a regular basis. Moving forward it's going to be fun to see how this medium the right discovered in the early 90's to deal with the loss of influence comes back to act like an anchor keeping them from changing direction.
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Good to see retirement hasn't kept Boortz from being an angry bitter man.
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Most of those ads you hear are network spots bought in bulk. Aside from some Rush affiliates you don't pay cash to carry Hannity, ESPN, Levin, Shuultz, etc. you carry network commercials. The amount varies by show, but the deals are all pretty similar. The reason you hear so many male enhancement ads, or gold scams is because they buy as much cheap airtime as they can get, be it :30 second spots, or weekend morning hour long blocks of time. While some of the personal endorsment deals have to do with, shall we say...a more gullible audience, the majority of the stuff is just a byproduct of the lovely model consolidators are using to prop up dying formats.
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Walter posted:
That was Michelle Malkin and her twitchy pals. http://www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/people-who-think-google-is-honoring-hugo-chavez
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It gets better...Politico posted:The way Mike Huckabee's handlers talked about it in 2012, "The Mike Huckabee Show" was going to give talk radio king Rush Limbaugh a run for his money. Instead, just over a year after the show's launch, Huckabee is already considering calling it quits. Huckabee was Cumulus' answer for a homegrown Limbaugh alternative they didn't need to pay affiliate fees for, since he probably makes 1/3-1/2 or so of what Cumulus is paying for Limbaugh just in Chicago. Huckabee is also crying that he spends 7 hours a day prepping for the show so he either has the industry's worst staff (It's Cumulus, so it's possible) or reads the junk they hand him at a snail's pace. Since they've failed to dislodge the Clear Channel owned Rush at their own NY or Chicago stations, and apparently aren't pulling in the non-Cumulus owned affiliates in sufficient numbers I wonder if Mike is worried about a paycut coming his way. Another fun situation is going to be Hannity's new contract next year. From the leftovers of ABC Radio's days his deal is a partnership between Clear Channel and Cumulus, but I can't see the Cumulus wanting to keep paying him so even when the Rush-Huckabee mess is settled that will be coming up.
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little munchkin posted:Meanwhile, one of Limbaugh's interns shows him the wikipedia page for "chopped and screwed" music 10 years after it's relevant, and he's capable of somehow putting together a segment out of it that slams Obama for... uhh... something or other. Limbaugh and Beck and Levin may be evil incarnate, but the top conservative radio guys are are amazingly gifted at what they do. They're basically improv artists; give them a one-word suggestion and they can fill an hour of air-time that convincingly ties it into a massive liberal conspiracy. I've seen Hannity work and his show prep once he's on site is literally pulling up the Drudge Report and pulling up a stack of those live reads for gold and boner pills. It is really impressive to watch and something most smaller talk show hosts never quite grasp, you need to work in some style to your hackery. As for Huckabee, he came into the radio arena during the heart of Fluke Mania and was peddled as "Conversation, not confrontation", and they really played up his Aww Shucks persona. Much like in politics he'll say the occasional incredibly vile thing, but he'll do it with a smile and a joke so alot of time it just slides through. That said 90% of his show is pure distilled stupid and saying "Good Point!" or "Nice call" to perhaps the dumbest stable of callers on the radio. Funny thing is, Cumulus management is right when they've said hyperpartisanship is bad for the talk format, but they're just not smart (Or willing to invest) enough to pull it off. They've brought in Geraldo Rivera and Huckabee and apparently told them instead of changing things up with more viewpoints and discussion, just take everything to the dumbest common denominator and it's not working. Their other big hire, Michael Savage was just to stash him away so nobody else put him on against Hannity or Levin. According to Talkers Magazine his audience has dropped from (Radio world exaggerated) 9,000,000 a week, to 2-3 and some people say under 1. Another bit of good news is that Rush's contract with Clear Channel ends in 2016, and I doubt he'll want to take the paycut CC will force on him to sign another. He may go to XM/Sirius but ask Stern fans it's not the same. Just imagine the beauty of Limbaugh, who made himself saying every nasty thing he could think of under the sun about anyone with the last name of Clinton riding off into the sunset with Hillary winning the Presidency...
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I don't know if this came before or after his own late night show, but for the 10 or so days Pat Sajack (Himself a right wing nut job) had a late night show he invited Rush to fill in for him one night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK4byQkn7w Spoiler Alert: it doesn't go well for 'ol Rusty.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I could have sworn the talk has been that the Sajak show event actually is what catapulted him through a larger threshold of public awareness, despite his existing radio popularity. Even if Sajak had prescreened the audience it would have happened elsewhere. Rush's abilities as an "entertainer" are wildly exaggerated by fans of his ideology. What he is, is the best at what he does....but that doesn't have a very wide appeal. When the GOP decided to go full retard after the 08 election you would hope at least someone in the room thought it might not be the best idea in the world to kowtow openly to a man that has been an absolute train wreck every single time he's exposed himself to a mass audience outside the bubble.
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Alex DeLarge posted:Word, yo. For years people have always joked about what a mess Texas Democrats as a whole are, but even a moron can look at the demographics and see the writing on the wall. I can't remember the exact number but it's something like 1500 Latino Texans are turning 18 every day. PPP did a Texas survey in January ( I know, 2013 lol and all) but Hillary was neck and neck already with Rubio and Christie in the state and had a big lead on Rick Perry. SCOTUS and the VRA certainly will make it a tougher climb for 2016 once Perry&Friends have their way with registration laws and the cost to actually try in the state would probably be prohibitive unless the Dems can come up with > Obama silly money this cycle, but just the thought of the GOP having to defend Texas of all places has to bring a smile to any rational human's face. 2020 however, could be a brand new ball game unless something radically changes in the GOP.
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I've been a radio geek since I was a kid putting aluminum foil on my antenna to pick up WLS, KDKA, or any number of weird AM stations that would pop up for a half hour till the signal faded out, but I can't listen to it now. Go back a decade and I could listen to a couple hours of Hannity in the background and while I knew he was wrong about most things, there was at least entertainment value, now after 10 minutes I feel an aneurism coming on. There's always been a whiff of crazy in what these guys do, but what makes it unlistenable for me now is just how stupid everything is. The arguments are dumb, the sycophant callers are dumber, and they don't even attempt to dissuade the really out there whackos that call in about birth certificates, or tatooing all illegals or whatever poo poo they're hyperventilating about out on any given day. Whatever faults as human beings RW talk show hosts have you can tell they're at least smart enough to know, and try to hold on to what they still can attract- and nobody knows this better than their advertisers. Most major national advertisers keep them at arms length and the ones that flock to them don't exactly paint a flattering portrayal of your average talk radio listener. A balding, impotant paranoid guy scared of the world around him and gullible enough to be suckered into get rich quick schemes and donating money to grifters in the name of getting those darn liberals! Talk radio stations used to be most radio markets biggest earning stations, even if they weren't ratings leaders, because of the demographics of the listeners. These days sales are down and more and more are dumping talk in favor of sports because they just can't help but kill the golden goose chasing the GOP base to the bottom.
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Gen. Ripper posted:What I get from this is that if the Cubs ever win the World Series it will herald the coming of America's downfall to socialism. If that's the case, then the state of our nation...is strong.
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GoatSeeGuy posted:even a moron can look at the demographics and see the writing on the wall. Speak and they shall appear... politico posted:The conservative outside group FreedomWorks has drawn up plans to spend nearly $8 million mobilizing and expanding the GOP base in Texas, in a move to counter state and national Democratic efforts to make the state more electorally competitive, POLITICO has learned. Can you imagine what would happen if Democrats were hurriedly dropping money in California at the moment, the only thing keeping Sean Hannity and friends from needing a doctor at that point would be the fact they only have 3 hour shows. 8 Million in the grand scheme of things is only a Dick Armey payoff to the money machine, but they can see what's coming and it's going to be a fun fight watching Republicans fight like hell to keep any possible road to the White House open.
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Devour posted:Michael Savage has a pretty impressive education in the Medical Field, and yet he chose to spread anxiety & talk poo poo on the radio rather than use that education to pursue a career in that field and help people. Guess there was more money in radio. I guess the definition of "impressive" varies. Dr. Michael Weiner holds- master's degrees from the University of Hawaii in medical botany and medical anthropology along with a Ph.D. from UC Berkeley in nutritional ethnomedicine." He wrote books on healing herbs and vitamins before his...transformation, so he may be a troll or maybe it's just he's a pretty smart guy going where the easy money is.
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redshirt posted:What's the relationship, if any, between the Fox News cable channel, and the many local Fox news stations around the country? Fox affiliates are their own operations with various different owners. Thanks to budget cuts more and more local newscasts are taking the premade news packages that come from the network, in this case Fox News, with many of the inherent biases and the like but overall the tone of the local newscast is determined by ownership and news director. A bigger issue is ownership groups like Sinclair that forced affiliates to run an Anti-Kerry film 2 weeks before the election. They even added a cherry on top by firing their Washington bureau chief who said the film was propaganda. They've done similar, but lower profile stunts since then before elections.
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Jul 2, 2013 18:48
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Howard Stern is a shock jock, or at least considered one, isn't he? I heard him say he isn't a homophobe today (my boss likes him), so maybe right-wing isn't as implied. Pre-Janet Jackson's nipple most shock jocks were pretty right wing, mostly in a Hippy punching/fag jokes/women back in the kitchen sort of way, especially while Democrats were the party trying to grandstand off the music industry. This is where guys like Beck, or Todd Schnitt came from. Stern himself spent the better part of 20 years doing homocop bits, and even campaigned for governor of New York for like 2 weeks talking up the death penalty. In the aftermath of the wardrobe malfunction the FCC let it be known (Behind, and occasionally in front of closed doors) that morning radio shows were to be the sacrificial lambs offered up to the culture warriors and the crackdown came pretty hard. They found a soft target in radio consolidators that needed government ok for more ownership deals and they were more than willing do the dirty work for them. The milder shows like Bob and Tom just threw away some of their dick joke catalog and kept on going, Stern abandoned ship for another medium that didn't involve the FCC, and a small number of guys like Mancow Muller decided to stick it out and even try their hands at right wing talk radio gravy train. Most of these guys weren't die hard believers in the GOP or anything, but they were just following their audience for the most part. Post John Ashcroft most were smart enough to know which side would let them live.
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Jul 3, 2013 08:13
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Devour posted:Looks like Megyn Kelly will be moving to Primetime on Fox News once she spits out the baby currently in her uterus. Greta just signed another deal with Fox, but there's no way in hell she'll move up once either O'Reilly or Hannity go away, and it will happen eventually. Aside from her brief time as Palin's pseudo press secretary has she ever had any ratings? This is most likely Kelly moving up to the prime time on deck circle. Poor Sheppard Smith, if he could just reign in his desire to occasionally let his real feelings slip he would have been there in a heartbeat.
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Jul 4, 2013 07:13
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LowellDND posted:Part of it is that the authoritarian personality type digs in when they meet contradictory information. I was debating my dad a while back, and I was like "Wait, if you were shown new evidence, would you change your position?" and he flat out said "No." It's no different than smokers who have been told for decades now how bad it is for them and just refuse to even consider stopping. The mix of righteous rage combined with constant reassurance by a figure of authority that they are right/better/smarter than the dreaded other is intoxicating and as far as technology goes they would learn to program supercomputers if that was their only source of getting this stuff. It's part of the reason that even as the audience numbers decline talk stations still make huge amounts of cash, advertisers know they have a relatively well off captive audience known for doing what they are told.
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Jul 8, 2013 15:45
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Warchicken posted:The only way I have managed to avoid this when it happens is just to agree with whatever dumb bullshit they say. Who cares? Everyone in the room who knows me knows that I am making fun of them but is appreciative of my simply agreeing with it. This man is your friend, he fights for freedom. The only winning move really is is not to play with these folks since they're really just looking to you for a quick fix of anger to tide them over. It's why conservatives will throw money at anyone or any cause they think pisses off liberals. Basically it just boils down to one thing when you're debating any fan of the right wing, "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." The only other option I've ever seen work against Dittoheads/The Hannitized/etc., which I don't recommend to use against anyone you may be related to (or ever want to see again), is simply to get other people to laugh at them. If you're the one laughing it just feeds the flames of righteous rage, but other people joining in is about the only force I've ever seen completely obliterate that right wing bubble. It's literally the only thing I know of that will remind them that they are in fact an impotent little person angrily parroting talking points they know nothing about in a vain attempt to gain the favor of an authority figure they will never meet, or probably even speak to, who sadly is probably the only source of purpose in their miserable life.
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Jul 10, 2013 04:02
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah. Ditching him was pretty much the last sign that they no longer cared enough to even pretend to be balanced. When the original name for the show was Hannity and a liberal to be named later, I don't think balance was ever something to even be pretended. At the time Hannity was the rising star in NY radio and they were just looking to see if they could make something of him. People forget Fox News launched by just throwing poo poo at the wall to see what would stick. Ailes might be a GOP shithead, but before Rupert Murdoch he was working at what would turn into MSNBC. If they had given Carmen Electra a shift instead of someone like Burt Sugar or Paula Zahn and she took off in the ratings instead of Hannity and O'Reilly there's a greater than 0 chance we would have T&A News on basic cable right now.
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Jul 15, 2013 07:34
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Phone posted:Unfortunately Hannity runs a professional program so there are call queues and call screeners. I've said it before but it's really not hard to get on these types of shows if you can get past the constant busy signals. If they think you're a dumb liberal that will be easy to steamroll you'll probably go to the head of the line. a training manual from a guy that does this regularly posted:There are a few shows (Monica Crowley, Andrew Wilkow, Mark Levin and Michael Savage come to mind) that seem to truly fear losing an honest debate to a liberal, but even these folks (with the exception of the remarkably stupid Monica Crowley, whose screener once told me she doesn’t accept calls from people that disagree with her) will put you on the air. Yes, they may make you hold for hours. Or they’ll mute you as soon as you get the upper hand. Or they’ll hang up on you after 15 seconds, spout a bunch of lies, and hurl a bunch of invective at you after you’ve been cut off. But you can get on… The only real trick is to sound smart enough that the screener doesn't think you'll drool into the phone (Unless it's the Mike Huckabee show and you're agreeing with him) without sounding smart enough to be dangerous, and then not sounding like a moron in the 15 seconds you'll get before the host cuts your mic.
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Jul 16, 2013 06:18
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SedanChair posted:It's talk radio. Doesn't matter if it's Hannity, Coast to Coast AM or Thom Hartmann, most of their time is spent doing promos and tie-ins to their other media. Yah, the cross promotion is annoying but it works, and for most shows you're going to get 39-42 minutes of actual show in any given hour. Before he left for Sirrius Howard Stern was known to run some 20+ minute commercial breaks near the end of his show. Hannity has gotten particularly bad the last few years about coming back from break with 30 seconds before his next hard break at the end of the hour, it's lovely to listen to since its all news weather commercials for almost 15 minutes. Talk radio particularly is having a hard time dealing with the new ratings system Arbitron uses. Where guys like Hannity used to bank on impotant old men telling Arbitron they listened to (insert Hannity affiliate here) for 3 hours a day every day(!) it turns out their actual listening when monitored is just a fraction of that since they're not actually sitting by the radio for hours at a time. They're trying every trick in the book they can think of to try to get some of that time spent listening back.
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Jul 20, 2013 04:36
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bigtom posted:Thank loving God for PPM (Personal People Meter) - it has done more to kill conservative talk radio than anything else. I'd give it a solid 2nd place behind mass syndication. Conservative talk still works and makes money on the local level, but the stations that Clear Channel and Cumulus are turning into syndicated jukeboxes are almost universally cratering in ratings and revenue. A lot of these stations have 50+ years of success behind them but a few years of syndicated talk (and the PPM) have all but killed them off. Guys like Rush, Hannity, or anyone at all employed by Cumulus Media are dead men walking...they bring nobody new to the table and their audiences are literally dying off. GoatSeeGuy fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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Jul 20, 2013 08:46
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Nice Davis posted:Is there anywhere I can see these numbers? It would be neat to see the historical trend. The funny thing is, in the past under the old diary system women were far far more likely than men to fill out the diary at the end of the week. This led to the rise of countless "at work listening station of the 80's 90's and today without the rap rap rap!" clones since the goal was to get you to write down that you listened 9-5 Monday through Friday. With the new People Meter looking like a pager and the 90's being long over, they have a harder time getting women to wear them on their belt so the survey tends to be more male leaning since apparently we have no sense of style. This is one of the reasons you're seeing more and more sports stations pop up, that and the fact that live sports is about the only thing that actually brings new people to spoken word station.
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bigtom posted:
I think you may be the only non-engineer to actually go out and seek out an HD radio. I remember having multiple conversation with a former CC regional VP about all the cool poo poo we were going to be able to do with IBOC but unfortunately it came about the same time owners stopped investing in content, so most of the HD stations out there were just jukeboxes. A friend of mine helped sign one on in Boston, it was litteraly a laptop on a cart in the corner of one of the FM studios....such a waste. Plus they never were successful in getting wide adoption in cars, the last true holdout for terrestrial radio.
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