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Lawman 0 posted:Could you get one in a bigger size I can't make out the smaller um 'nations'? The guy who makes these is an acquaintance through some other people I know, here's the map on his website. http://www.eurominority.eu/version/maps/map-nations2.asp Western France in 4 regions, allowing Brittany to be reunited.  e: Here's the current map of French regions, for comparison.  and another map with proposed mergers between other regions for cost saving purposes. 
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Andy Impey posted:Does this ring true? I like how much of the Upper Peninsula is Packers territory and how Hawaii is apparently hardcore Steelers country. And how the Jets have just one small segment of Long Island where their fans dominate This is most certainly a thing, it's even a stereotypes that Yoopers are treasonous Packers fans. This has a lot to do with distance, of course, as Green Bay is a lot closer to much of the UP than Detroit is. Also, since the UP was essentially cut off from the rest of Michigan for much of the year before the Bridge was built it makes sense that they're culturally more connected with Wisconsin in some ways.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:These maps really freak me out because of how obviously "ghetto-ised" American cities are. In Detroit you can see exactly where 8 Mile is. 
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A map of the Detroit People Mover system, a whopping 2.9 miles. Reminder: the Detroit metro area is still home to over 3 million people. A couple of proposed transit systems that will probably never happen.    Detroit
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Snoggle posted:Generic term used for soft drinks in the US. I like how the soda/pop thing stops right at the Michigan/Wisconsin border except one for Wisconsin county. Also, I'm guessing the Keewenaw Peninsula (the northern tip of the Upper Peninsula) is purple because there's a family of 3 Southerners who moved there, making it a whole 5 people there.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:UK Election Maps French election maps from the first round of the 2012 election. Basically, Alsace and the whole northeastern edge of the Hexagon are terrible while Paris, Brittany, the French Basque country and some weird area to the southeast of Limoges are pretty cool. Hollande (Socialist Party)  Sarkozy (UMP - conservative party)  Le Pen (Front National - extreme right)  Mélenchon (Front de Gauche - left and extreme left) 
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Meltathon posted:Is there a reason that France is more liberal in the south and west and more conservative in the north and east? It's like a reverse America. I'm not entirely sure why the south and southwest are so much more liberal. That peninsula sticking out of the northwest is Brittany, a Celtic nation annexed by France in 1532, which is still pretty culturally different from France proper. Here's the French equivalent of the 2004 election map and Civil War map comparison.  Pink = Hollande, blue = Sarkozy, black = Le Pen. On the map on the right the areas in green were "somewhat foreign provinces" and in red "really foreign provinces". So basically with a few exceptions  Real France except for Paris voted for the liberal so in a way it's kinda like the US.I thould point out that Hollande did win a lot of the departments in the northeast, it's just that the far-right candidate did extremely well there. The second round of the election by city.  prefect posted:The northeast section of France is Alsace-Lorraine -- they trade it back and forth with Germany every few decades. I bet that's involved in some way. Yup. Fun fact: Because they were part of Germany when secularism was legislated in 1905 there still is not legal separation of church and state in Alsace.
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Cold Fusion posted:Why would you equate the Socialistes/François Hollande with "cool" and "goodness", that's a really stupid thing to say. That's not really what I was doing. I was equating not voting for the UMP and FN with "cool" and "goodness".
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QuoProQuid posted:He realized, however, that dividing Europe into rectangular states would clash with the ‘tribal’ makeup of the continent’s culturally diverse peoples. He proposed the following borders: Is the Vendée a separate country there? A couple of similar maps.  
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Kassad posted:I think it's part of Brittany, the black line is the Loire. I assume he thought it should be added to Brittany because they were counter-revolutionary buddies once upon a time but it really wouldn't make any sense for them to be part of an independant Brittany. I asked the guy who makes those maps if there were larger versions available but he told me he doesn't want to release bigger ones because he sells them as posters and doesn't want people to just print them or something. And for a somewhat dumber map, France is working on a new round of decentralization and this is a map being tossed around by Breton and Alsatian nationalists. Green are autonomous regions, orange regions with more or less the same powers as now and blue as seperate metropolitan areas, sort of like the combined city/county things in some US states. Of course, France won't give some regions more autonomy than others (Alsace's historical weirdness notwithstanding) and it's weird that the departments in the old Pays de la Loire (after Loire Atlantique goes back to Brittany) just become regions rather than being reorganized with a new or different region.  A map of French licence plate pictures by region. A couple of things were mildly controversial, the Bretons and Corsicans basically have their flags on it and Brittany having their name in Breton. 
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Drone posted:Why is it controversial to have regional flags on the license plates instead of those other really bad, designed-with-Adobe-Illustrator corporate-looking logos? Many people in France, both left and right wing, see any official recognition of minority cultures in France as the first step on the road to the destruction of France. Here's a map of regional languages spoken in France. In the colored areas only a minority speaks the regional language and all of those people are bilingual French speakers with maybe a tiny handful of old people as exceptions. These languages have no official recognition or status because doing so would be "dangerous to the unity of the Republic".  Kassad posted:I don't see why they'd break up Centre and Poitou-Charentes as well. "Touraine" and "Anjou" are just individual departments, why do that instead of creating a new Val de Loire (or whatever) region? To be honest the people who made were more interested in reuniting Brittany and picking the cool kids club of autonomous regions. Here's a more workable idea of reorganized regions. 
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Another French map, percentage of votes for and against the European constitution treaty in 2005. Bluer means more votes for, redder means more votes against.
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Apr 13, 2013 02:46
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dilbertschalter posted:yes, this is what happened, except not at all. opposition to the eu treaties has a broad base in populism rather than any distinct ideological faction or party. Yup, both left and right opposed it for different reasons. The far left and much of the Socialist Party were against it because they were concerned that it would be used as a tool to enforce neo-liberalism and austerity while the right was against it because they don't want to give up any more of France's sovereignty. The leader of the "yes" side of the Socialist Party is the current President, who certainly doesn't seem to have anything against neo-liberalism 
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twoot posted:Nice to see Brittany fitting in so well with their Greater British prude brethren. It weirded me the hell out when I went to Nantes a couple of weeks ago and the bisous didn't stop after the second one. Map of Breton language medium schools in Brittany. Note that before 1977 there were none. Dark green is a town where there is a school, light green is a 10km zone around that town and red is a new school opened in 2012. 
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3peat posted:
Cornwall should be light blue because Cornish doesn't have indefinite articles. Just kidding, nobody speaks Cornish anymore
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eSports Chaebol posted:It's believed that at one point more Yoopers spoke Cornish than people in Cornwall. I just learned that a couple of months ago at a Celtic language conference here in Brittany. poo poo blew my mind because the Cornish dude who told me that and I were speaking Breton and in Breton I don't really have an identifiably American accent despite being born and raised in Michigan, but at first I thought he was just kinda loving with me. Breton speakers as a percentage of the population.  Map of the "linguistic border" since 900 AD, although this isn't quite accurate as Breton was spoken as far east as Bourc'h Batz (Batz-sur-Mer in French) in the Loire Atlantique until the 1950s and the last speaker of that dialect died only recently. 
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Apr 21, 2013 01:30
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Shbobdb posted:To be fair, it is easy not to have an identifiable accent in a language no one speaks. I mean, no one hears my American accent when I speak Kemetic. I know you're just shitposting here because you're mad about moonspeak or whatever, but there are about 200,000 people who speak Breton and I speak Breton more often than I speak either French or English.
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Sorry about starting a Breton language derail everyone, I have a bad habit of that. System Metternich posted:Soviet Commubot, I've been wondering: how did you as an American from Michigan end up with the language revival efforts in Brittany? Not to get too E/N here but it was random chance in being introduced to the language and culture, I was working as a temporary English teacher in a high school here and just happened upon people who spoke Breton. I thought it was neat so I took a couple of months of night classes in the language as something to do and absolutely fell in love with the language and culture. At that point in my life after my teaching contract I had a choice between going back in to the Army, moving back in with my family in the States and trying to find a job with an undergrad degree in French or staying here and trying to do something with with the whole Breton language thing. With those options it wasn't a hard choice. TheImmigrant posted:Seriously though, how identifiable is an American accent in Breton? How often do Breton speakers hear any accent other than a French one? Is an American accent in Breton distinguishable from a British or Australian one? I learned Occitan/Catalan years ago, and no one could identify my accent as American either. It's because most people in Perpinya or Girona had never met an American who spoke their language before. If you go to 4:17 on this video there's an American speaking Breton (the old dude with the moustache) who sounds American to me and is at least identifiable as an English speaker to Breton people I've asked about it because of his vowels, his L and his use of the retroflex R, which is used in the Tregor dialect but not with those vowels. There are several dialects in Breton with very distinct rules of pronuncation so Breton speakers tend to have an ear for accents, unlike monolingual French speakers, they just attach whatever stereotypes they have about foreigners speaking French to Breton. The video is subtitled in French. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxpdhj_bali-breizh-24-02-2013-liesyezhegezh-vost_tv#.UXajD7VkOSo That said, I'm not sure that one could differentiate between anglophone accents in Breton without a certain familiarity with English, which the Cornish guy I was talking about certainly had. I could definitely tell he was British of some sort from his accent in Breton. Fun fact: The lady talking about classical music at the beginning is from Quebec and a regular presenter on the show. HighClassSwankyTime posted:The question's been asked before but I'm really curious what an American is doing in France who identifies with Breton nationalists and is also a socialist. How to people react when you're being an activist for the Breton cause, as a friend or unwanted interference? Most Breton nationalists are on the left side of the spectrum so my politics aren't seen as a problem. I've never had a negative reaction other than people who react negatively to the Breton language itself, which are pretty few and far between. People see my being foreign as a novelty but in a positive way, nobody has ever called me a damned foreign meddler or anything like that, at least openly. Konstantin posted:A lot of European-Americans try to make an active effort to understand and preserve their heritage. If you're British or French or whatever you probably know in a general sense where your ancestors came from, but many Americans have no idea where they came from beyond "I'm white, and all my grandparents were born here". People want to know where they came from and want to preserve that heritage, and when you are far away from where your ancestors were, you need to make an active effort to do that. A corollary issue is the fact that it's almost impossible to trace the heritage of an African-American beyond "Well, your ancestor may have been owned by John Smith, who ran a plantation in South Carolina." As far as I'm aware I have absolutely zero Breton heritage. I don't even really know where my family came from apart from my last name and I don't really care all that much either. And for actual thread content, here's a map of cider, wine and beer production in France in 1925.  And beer consumption per person in liters per year. I can't find a map of wine consumption by department but the French do still consume more wine than they do beer, 50L per person per year in comparison with 41L of beer per year on average.  Fake edit: Ardennes posted:Hell, Kvass has even made a comeback in Russia to the point that Coke and Pepsi are producing their own brands. My girlfriend, who is from Russia and incidentally also speaks Breton, makes this and it is really pretty great and super easy to do.
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The Narrator posted:Hypothetical map for "regions" in a united Europe. Regions are constructed to each hold roughly 10 million people, and are drawn based on nationality and "neatness". The borders of Brittany are pretty  here. It's like the guy read a summary of the Chouan uprising and said "yeah, that whole area must be pretty much the same thing" and then decided that nothing has changed since.
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Terex posted:That seems so backwards, especially since there are still dry counties to this day, many of which seem to be in the same areas (like North Carolina). What exactly can yellow mean here? I grew up in a yellow county (Gratiot, Michigan) and the only restrictions I remember are no sales between 2AM and maybe 8AM and no sales before noon on Sunday. Is it just stuff like that?
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Reveilled posted:I'd have thought that map was of each county according to whether the county itself had any restrictions on the sale of alcohol in addition to state laws. So blue is "same laws as the state", yellow is "laws more strict in this county than in the rest of the state" and red is "alcohol sales prohibited in this county". Looking at Wikipedia this seems to be the case. Stores with a special licence in Michigan can sell before noon on Sundays but counties and cities can restrict that if they want to, which most of the counties I lived did if memory serves.
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marktheando posted:But a pick up truck and a wheelbarrow are very different? I don't think you have thought this comparison through. I'm pretty baffled as to why Brittany is labeled as "the counties of Brittany". Brittany was well established as being a sovereign duchy by 1100. Of course, both the English and the French referred to the Breton dukes at various times as being subordinate to their own crowns but in practice the duke was always treated as a separate sovereign, right up until at least 1481 with the marriage of Anne of Brittany to Charles VIII and arguely up until 1532.
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Gorgo Primus posted:Why did Brittany lose Nantes to Poitou? It's especially strange because that didn't happen in reality until the Pétain government.
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Phlegmish posted:I think he just forum searches for the word 'Brittany'. I've learned a lot about that region just by being in the general vicinity of his posts. Every secession movement could use people with that level of commitment. Nah, I just have absolutely nothing better to do on Sundays than read D&D. Also, I should amend my earlier post to say that the separation of Loire Atlantique (Nantes) was planned during the Vichy regime but it didn't actually happen until 1956.
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Ras Het posted:Countdown to that one bloke popping by to make miniscule corrections to the Breton part. It's a pretty good map (as far as Brittany is concerned) so no corrections needed. HighClassSwankyTime posted:And to add pictures of vandalized roadsigns I only do that in the picture thread. A map of US counties by NFL team allegiance (gathered from Facebook). I think this was done the last year the Steelers won the Superbowl, so that would explain the pockets of Steelers fans around the country. I'm really interested in why New Orleans is so popular so far east and what's up with the random things like that county in Florida where people are either Giants or Bears fans.  It's also interesting that the Packers/Lions border in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan corresponds pretty closely with the pre-Toledo War border. 
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^^^^^^ A_Raving_Loon posted:I look at this map and wonder - what does it mean to be The Worst at using porn? Probably this: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn-subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all quote:Utahns, famous for their wholesomeness and frugality, buy online pornography at higher rates than the rest of America. The worst because they actually pay for online porn.
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sbaldrick posted:The US is not getting Canada's water, you have to move here and labour in our water farms. I think you mean Michigan may let the rest of you labor in its water farms. 
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Real hurthling! posted:That's John Candy The movie was written by Michael Moore. Shbobdb posted:I think most ex-pats have actually had that line work. It gets asked at such an annoying high frequency that you kinda tune it out but when it works, WHOA. When I lived in Germany, I'd get asked, "Oh, you're from the US, do you know so-and-so or so-and-so?" all the time. All the time. Worked once. Holy gently caress was that crazy. A lot of my American buddies had similar stories. In my case it was totally a friend-of-a-friend thing, real distant. Still crazy but nothing worth bragging about. My buddy, on the other hand, she had a great story. She hooked up with a guy at a bar and found out that he knew a guy she dated in middle school. I've been an ex-pat for 3 years and I honestly don't think I've ever been asked if I know Bob from City, State yes. I did recently start teaching English so maybe it'll start. Someone mentioned the Scots and Welsh as being red-haired which reminded me of this. Does anyone know who that is out in Russia? I thought maybe it was the Tatars but my girlfriend (who is from Yekaterinburg) doesn't think so. 
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az jan jananam posted:Darker= more likely children will stay poor. Unsurprisingly, those areas of very poor mobility in the Dakotas seem to correspond to the various Lakota reservations. 
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HookShot posted:It also doesn't belong to Italy. If you're referring to this map: You might be looking at Sardinia, Corsica is the same color as the rest of France. edit: Sorry, quoted the wrong guy. Soviet Commubot fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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Dr. Tough posted:Have any countries actually formed (and kept) the "greater" versions of themselves? The only one I can think of is the US with manifest destiny. France with Alsace-Lorraine comes to mind as a relatively recent example.
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Kurtofan posted:We're missing a whole lot of departments That map is missing a few too  Algeria
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PrinceRandom posted:
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Davincie posted:How does reporting your ancestry as American (not Indian) even work? Did they just straight up forget or something? It's based on self-identification and a lot of people either don't want to pick just one out of several possible ancestries or simply don't care. My immediate family didn't know until about 5 years ago where our ancestors originated so my family had always put "American" down, going back to at least the 1950s.
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Riso posted:These countries are today 80-90% homogeneous. It is rare that a single minority becomes big enough to have enough influence to start affecting changes. It is fairly rare and drat if it doesn't scare some people when a minority seems to have any sort of influence. In French: http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/07/19/le-lobby-breton-drague-la-republique_3449367_823448.html Riso posted:France, like America, is pretty unique in that respect. This is largely true but French people will still sometimes put qualifiers on foreigners that have been here for a long time. Just look at the poo poo Eva Joly got during the last Presidential election about how she wasn't really French. People were actually making fun of her accent on national TV. That said, when people aren't aware of my citizenship status (I'm American and in the process of getting French citizenship), they refer to me as being of American origin rather than being American. duckmaster posted:In addition, the United Kingdom is made up of English, Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish (some people in Cornwall consider themselves a unique Gaelic ethnicity as well) On a rather pedantic note, Cornish people aren't Gaelic. The Celtic peoples are usually split into two groups, the Gaels in Ireland, Man and Scotland and the Brynthonic Celts (or whatever this is called in English) in Wales, Cornwall and Brittany.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Apparently Le Monde is behind a paywall now. Any chance you could summarize beyond "Bretons are flying their Ermines and Stripes abroad now and they're getting representation in the cabinet a-bloo-bloo-bloo." Ministers in France are like Cabinet members in the US, right? There's also a lot of "Bretons have so much, they don't need more!" in it as well as a comment about Breton influence isn't quite at the point of threatening the unity of the Republic. I guess you always have to watch out for that, it's in their blood you see. And yes, ministers are like cabinet members in the US. Someone earlier talked about Bolivia and mentioned Quechua. Quechua is the most widely spoken Native American language with 8.9M speakers, or about as many speakers as Swedish. edit: It's more fair to say Quechua is a language family, but Southern Quechua has something like 6M speakers. Where Quechua is spoken. 
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the jizz taxi posted:- Both maps seem overly generous in showing the spread of some minority languages such as the Celtic languages The extent of Breton on the current map is a bit more accurate than the 19th century map, mostly because it recognizes that there is a small brittophone minority in upper Brittany, east of the "language line" that is very clear on the 19th century map. Also, in the area designated as Breton on the 19th century map the people there were by and large monolingual Breton whereas the last monolingual speaker died several years ago. If the map only colored communities where a majority spoke the language it would look very different and probably closer to what you'd expect. That said, even east of the language line there were Breton speaking communities, the easternmost one being Batz-sur-Mer near Saint Nazaire which was Breton-speaking until the 1950s or 1960s. Of course it's not surprising the map is more accurate regarding Breton, it was made by Mikael Bodlore-Penlaez (Michel Bolloré-Pelle officially because he was born before Breton names were legal), a Breton cartographer. His Eurominority website got hacked by angry Turks because he made this map. 
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Riptor posted:what the hell is up with that legend? I know the guy who made it and despite insisting on making his maps in both English and Breton he doesn't really speak either of them all that well. I used to send him corrections in both languages when he'd post drafts on Facebook but I stopped because it's way too much effort without getting money for it. e: Basically if you speak French it's almost a word for word translation from that.
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the jizz taxi posted:True as that may be, those areas shouldn't be monocoloured though. I suspect that a majority of people in Wales still has English as a first language, and that would be even more true for Scotland and Ireland. It's like how they colour the northwestern corner of France as Dutch-speaking, while in reality only a minority of people there has Dutch as a first language. On the Eurominority map they're not monocolored, they're labeled as existing only as bilingual speakers. On the 19th century map the people in rural Wales may have been monolingual speakers, I'm not sure. That said, on the Eurominority map it's not really clear what warrants stripes and what warrants dots. I'll shoot the guy an email and ask.
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Soviet Commubot posted:That said, on the Eurominority map it's not really clear what warrants stripes and what warrants dots. I'll shoot the guy an email and ask. The guy got back to me, he says the dots are to indicate areas which have historically had a few speakers of the minority language but isn't considered the language's "motherland".
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