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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Crowsbeak posted:

Didn't some young turks think that should be the goal after the first world war?

Speaking of the Balkans, here is a great way to piss off Turks abit and Greeks alot.


Do Bulgarians(?) use "White Sea" for the Aegean Sea?

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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
That may be outdated for NY, given that the gay marriage law in NY states:

quote:

10 2. NO GOVERNMENT TREATMENT OR LEGAL STATUS, EFFECT, RIGHT, BENEFIT,
11 PRIVILEGE, PROTECTION OR RESPONSIBILITY RELATING TO MARRIAGE, WHETHER
12 DERIVING FROM STATUTE, ADMINISTRATIVE OR COURT RULE, PUBLIC POLICY,
13 COMMON LAW OR ANY OTHER SOURCE OF LAW, SHALL DIFFER BASED ON THE PARTIES
14 TO THE MARRIAGE BEING OR HAVING BEEN OF THE SAME SEX RATHER THAN A
15 DIFFERENT SEX.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

I am wondering about Kazakhstan on there...

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

kalstrams posted:

Do you find it strange that people there finish their school?

I just won't expect it to be noticeably different from any other
post-Soviet state. Could be just poor bucketing with fixed colors or something.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

TheImmigrant posted:

I'm not a specialist in Slavic languages, but aren't Ukrainian, Belorussian, and Russian mutually intelligible? I'll grant that they are closer to each other than Bulgarian.

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "mutually intelligible". I am a native
Russian speaker, learned some Ukrainian in school many many years ago, but I can understand
news reports and the like in Ukrainian only very partially, with a very high % of words
completely unknown to me.

But yeah, they are closer to each other than to Bulgarian, though there are Bulgarian
influences in Russian because the Russian Orthodox Church used to use Old Church Slavonic
(which is roughly old Bulgarian) as the liturgical language (it got modernized, though).

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Huh, why would North Korea have a HDI higher than .500?

Perhaps using their official statistics in the computation?.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Phlegmish posted:

That map is pretty close to being whiteamericans.jpg.

Somehow also seems to roughly be inverse population density (at least in North East)?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Reveilled posted:

I'm not sure if it's exaggerated by selective reporting or not, but I seem to notice that whenever some major weather disaster such as a hurricane or tornado or massive forest fire hits the US, most of the houses seem to be made out of wood panelling and drywall with viturally no bricks at all. Now I know that American cities themselves aren't built like that, but is that sort of construction normal for your big suburbs?

Yes, wood frame construction is the standard, including even some of the smaller residential buildings in cities.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Reveilled posted:

I know this will sound snarky, but it's an honest question: do American kids get told the story of the Three Little Pigs?

Not sure; I didn't grow up here since that early an age, but the method is very economical for single-family homes, which there is a huge number of in the country, and they are sturdy enough in non-disaster circumstances. Fire safety is probably the bigger issue.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Little hint: on new google maps, if your computer is powerful enough, if you zoom all the way out and click the "Earth" thing in the corner
you'll see a globe, which will make it easier to judge sizes of things.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
That map doesn't really live up to its title, since it doesn't actually include the
Ukrainian Army. But well, live it up to ITAR-TASS to mention the National Guard
as many times as possible.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
I am gonna put this here then:

... not that I can actually say what this 1681 map is saying since my Latin is at guessing level.


(Original from http://vkraina.com/en/maps#1681, which has much higher resolution and a bunch of
other maps which may or may not be politically loaded or biases)

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

TheBalor posted:

Kiev used to be THE center of Russian civilization, before the Golden Horde rolled in, murdered everyone, and burned it to a cinder. It eventually came back to Russian control, but never again regained its preeminence. So Russians could semi-reasonably argue that Kiev and the environs has been a Russian place longer than it has any other ethnicity.

Semi-reasonable is stretching it, as is calling it a center of "Russian civilization". It was the center of East Slavic civilization, before
the split of East Slavs into multiple cultures.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

TheBalor posted:

Fair enough. Point is, it ties into the whole viewpoint of Russians as the leaders of all slavs, which tickles the nationalist bone.

Yeah, they would certainly believe that.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Did they really put the Cossack with Musket on the chest? For someone so contemptuous of anything Ukrainian to use the crest of Zaporizhian Sich is bizarre.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Tree Goat posted:

from the d&d pics thread:


looks like some carribean islands, lesotho, and andorra of all places have significantly more literate women than men?

also french guyana is just missing data rather than sharing data with france, department or no.

What's up with Portugal?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
I am surprised US isn't broken up by state?

Edit: delete since someone else replied.

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Sep 13, 2014

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Mu Cow posted:



Good use of color scale...

Also states are an odd unit of resolution there.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Phlegmish posted:



All you other language families can suck it.

Well, half of this is imperialism.png...

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

icantfindaname posted:

I like the Poles. Their national identity seems held together by hatred of their arch-nemesis Russia, and considering Russia is pretty lovely that's fine by me. I guess they're sort of bad on abortion issues? I can't think of much else.

Invaded Ukraine a number of times (though the last instance probably worked out better for West Ukrainians, as the alternative would have been USSR). How far back are we going anyway?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Disco Infiva posted:


Love Saudi Britannia and United Baltic Emirates.

Why is Moldova with United Slavic Emirate?
(Also, what's the story with Kosovo?)

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

MODS CURE JOKES posted:

Well, nearly every city ever has done that. Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx all used to be independent cities until New York City proper gobbled them up. It's a reason why they retain distinct characteristics, for one.

Here is one for Boston:
(Hyde Park got added in 1912)

Brookline and Cambridge weren't interested giving the city some mighty ugly borders:

(Both images shamelessly lifted off Wikipedia)

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Oct 7, 2014

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

computer parts posted:

Annexation only works when the neighbors are unincorporated IIRC (at least without state level shenanigans or consent of the other towns), so that's not too far from the truth.

In the case of Boston most of other communities were incorporated --- but they voted to merge.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

HonorableTB posted:

:stonk: Good god that would be terrifying for a non-native to try and navigate, and I thought Moscow's was pretty awful when I lived there:



Moscow has gotta be one of the more logical of the larger subway systems, too, thanks to that circle line.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

my dad posted:

After a bit of googling, I also found this one:



Notice the year, and check out Ukraine.

That map gets Transdniester wrong...

Edit: never mind, I didn't see it got its own color.

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Oct 9, 2014

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Aliquid posted:

But isn't the winner the most mildly agreeable among all the candidates? If a candidate has third- or fourth-most first place votes, but voters of all stripes want him as their second or third choice, isn't that the most agreeable result for the entire electorate?

For IRV? Not necessarily. Actually an easy example of where it fails is where a candidate is everyone's #2 choice, but no-one's #1 choice.
In that case they would be eliminated in the 1st round. How often that would happen in practice I simply don't know.

Voting systems are complicated.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Nintendo Kid posted:

There is no way the Bay Area is the second densest metro in the US, the entire metro area has a million less people than NYC in it, spread all the way around the bay.

The US Census considers the Bay Area metro to have a density of about 1100 people per square mile, NYC metro to be 1874 per square mile, LA is 2650.

And if you're thinking of the Census' weighted density measurement, then it becomes NYC metro in first place, Bay Area in second place, and LA metro in third place.

Any chance you could link to the data? Can't seem to find, and I am curious as to how other cities compare.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Disco Infiva posted:


Helicopter ("helikopter", which is a loanword) was going to be "vrtolet" (spin-o-flight :laugh:), it was just bizzare.


That's actually what it is in Russian :ssh: (Well, vertolet, but same difference, and for all I know the 'e' is implied)

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Romania sure comes out well on that map.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

JosefStalinator posted:


In the case of the orthodox Bulgarians versus Greeks versus Macedonians, there really was no difference. You could tell if they were Albanian/Turk because they were Muslim. For orthodox christians, the people simply became whatever the state that adopted them wanted them to be, by teaching them the national version of the language and indoctrinating them along those lines in school. Before that, they were just Orthodox peasants who may or may not have spoken some local dialect along a dialect spectrum.

Can you get a dialect spectrum between Greek and South Slavic languages, though?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

computer parts posted:

This is like that map of distinct US cultures that had New Jersey as a separate one but Appalachia stretched from Pennsylvania to Oklahoma.

Yeah, that's clearly wrong since Appalachia reaches as far as Southern Tier of New York.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Phlegmish posted:

Here's a map showing which countries have a higher GDP per capita than Russia, adjusted for purchasing power parity.



I'm actually surprised it's still ahead of most of the rest of the world, considering the fact that you're constantly hearing about how terrible it is.

It needs separate colors for Moscow and St. Petersburg vs. everything else.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

3peat posted:

In romanian the word for potato is cartof, which comes from kartoffel, but there are also regionalisms like bandraburca or barabula, both of which come from the word Brandenburg

Wikipedia actually lists "barabolya" as one of the dialectical names for Potatoes in Ukrainian --- won't surprise me if it came through Romanian. I only really recall kartoplya and bul'ba (actually generic for tubers) myself. They list a huge number of names, actually:

quote:

В Україні також «бу́льба», «бараболя», рідше «крумплі» (хорв. Krumpir), «ґрул'і», «барабу́рка», «бори́шка», «бу́рка», «гадабу́рка», «мандибу́рка», «рі́па».
(And they have additional lists for various particular regional dialects.)

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

kalstrams posted:

I've never heard of destructive tornado in Europe, especially in the Baltics.
White pitch in the U.S. is some desert, right?

It's not a very good map since the frequency/intensity for the other areas of US also varies a great deal:

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
I am quite surprised that Iran isn't suspicious of Serbia due to their history with Bosnia.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

ekuNNN posted:

Possibly Ethnic Russians and Jews getting away from Pravy Sektor and other right-wing people?

Yeah, the "we love the Jews" photo-ops Right Sector keeps doing are probably getting really repetitive right now.
(What a bunch of nonsense)

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

ekuNNN posted:

What? I'm saying people possibly left Kiev because there were fascist gangs going around attacking non-Ukrainians and vandalising synagogues and stuff after the revolution.

And I am saying that's false, and what's more it's propaganda spread by a certain totalitarian dictatorship with a record of invading weirder neighboring countries on
fake claims of ethnic discrimination.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

ekuNNN posted:

Oh, I didn't know those attacks weren't real. Maybe lots of people left due to the successful propaganda? Or just because they were worried about the revolution and the violence.


No, rather you were reading the map wrong, and someone who commented earlier was correct: this is where people have relocated /to/: the bigger cities
(Kyiv, Odessa, Lviv), the big nearby cities (Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv) and plain nearby --- the parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts' that don't have
fighting ATM.

Here is a UNCHR map, with clearer labels:

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Tedd_Not_Ed posted:

As long as we're posting fantasy divisions of US maps:


Bonus points for "Four States"

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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Torrannor posted:

More like 200 years ago, but you are still right.

Well, 600 years would certainly put the spectre haunting Europe in a different light.

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