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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

TheImmigrant posted:

Dalmatia is Italian!



Greek:



Good thing the greeks and the turks kicked each other out of their countries so they can't claim each others turf anymore. :v:
Right? :eng99:

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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

System Metternich posted:

Politically-loaded maps? Don't mind if I do!

This one is titled "europe-stateless-nations.gif" and is a redrawing of the continent along ethnic and/or linguistic borders, I think.



Could you get one in a bigger size I can't make out the smaller um 'nations'? :stare:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I just got a good look at the Balkans and jesus christ what a mess! :stonk:
No wonder why they despise each other.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I think its far more likely that America would absorb Canada than it breaking up anytime soonish.
Bar the apocalypse though. :v:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

steinrokkan posted:

Japan didn't have enough resources to win their ongoing Chinese campaign, so in hindsight any projection beyond "The Japanese are going to awkwardly sit there and wait for us to kill them" was too pessimistic.

Well invading china is alot like trying to invade the united states considering its size. :v:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

The thing that bothers me the most about the axis is basically how japan refused to change tactics to counter the submarine threat and really the lack of change in Japanese tactics overall until it was basically too late. :psyduck:
Edit: I just looked up the submarine war and it looks like japan even refused to do basically any commerce raiding at all or intercept the massive lifeline to the soviet union that the us had set up. :psyboom:

Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Mar 7, 2013

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

cheerfullydrab posted:

It's accurate for a state whose animal is a special breed of fighting cock, which was basically run for most of its history by a rich family that got its start in gunpowder production, whose people contributed some harsh soldiers to the Revolution and Civil War.

Thats... kinda metal? :stare:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

cheerfullydrab posted:

Isn't GDP a little 20th century?

Its just one measure of a countries wealth and should not be treated as the end all of measurements.
GDP per capita is basically useless though unless you want to find the average though. :v:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Dr. Tough posted:

How the hell is Japan more welcoming of foreigners than the US and Denmark?

Yeah Japan should basically be crimson red or whatever if those stories about the insane amount of racism there hold any water. :psyduck:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Actually I looked back at the map and noticed japan was green. :psyduck:
It should be yellow with all the censorship thats rampant.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

marktheando posted:

But a pick up truck and a wheelbarrow are very different? I don't think you have thought this comparison through.

Anyway here are some maps-

Europe in 1100ad.


Europe in 1200ad.


What are the blank areas supposed to be, 'uninhabited' or something?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

System Metternich posted:



Man, that was already 5 years ago? drat.

It frankly amazes me that the russians didn't go the full nine yards and just topple Mikheil Saakashvili in that war.

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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

JoeCL posted:

As I understand it, that was there original intention, but the United States threatened to retaliate if they did so. A pretty frightening prospect.

Do you have a source on that?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Peruser posted:

We signed almost all of those, we just can't ratify them because some people think we need the rights

Especially the right to execute children apparently

Oh and


Good job Ireland

I was under the impression that most of those treaties were blocked in the senate by :freep: republicans.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Kainser posted:

That was actually exactly what I was thinking of, the one single good piece of alternate history.



:france:


e; actually I guess this one is pretty good as well:



Reminds me of what happens when a realm explodes in CKII.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

A_Raving_Loon posted:

I look at this map and wonder - what does it mean to be The Worst at using porn?

I'll take "most sexually repressed state" for 500 alex.
Does anyone still have that link where they broke down what porno countries/states watched.

edit: ahhh beaten sorta.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :argh: :argh:
But yes we should all take this moment to giggle at the people who actually pay for porno.

Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jul 9, 2013

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Dusseldorf posted:

This map might tell you a few little things about world food production:



I'll go with meat producing countries for 500 alex. :v:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Davincie posted:

The problem with old Chinese texts is that a whole load of them got lost or destroyed because they did not fit later political climates. As a result of this much of the remaining works have been very carefully protected and are only accessible by small amounts of people, who have a tendency to be insular and traditional. The best bet to getting more information about subjects is if/when it suddenly gets popular. Loads of stuff about Zheng He was unearthed because of a surge in popularity. Despite careful protection even now works are getting lost, quite a few texts have been lost to fires for example.

What type of things were unearthed?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Phlegmish posted:

I have to say their 1532 map was pretty terrible. I know they were very insular at this point, but it still surprises me a little. Even those ancient Greek maps where the Indian Ocean is an inland sea are better than that.

Heres the oldest map they found apparently.

Not that bad actually and I think its quite pretty with all the little towns and mountains. :3:
Though that makes those terrible later maps all the more strange. :psyduck:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Arglebargle III posted:

I think when prehistorians make up these maps it's important to remember that individual people and even large clan/tribe groups can move much, much faster than the archeological evidence can track. The time scale for the migration between North America and South America for example is based on just a few archeological sites and if you match it up with human walking speed you immediately notice a problem. It doesn't take 30,000 years to walk from Northeast Asia to South America; it doesn't even take 30 years. Even limiting tribes to moving a few miles every year the timescales are still absurd.

For the Clovis point archeological evidence there are so few data points that you can make a decent argument that it's completely backwards and that the data suggests that the Clovis migrated from the southern tip of South America to Alaska, which says more about the poor quality of the data set than actual prehistoric movements. It doesn't help that archeologists are pretty sure that the best evidence is underwater, since the Pleistocene sea shore where migrating humans would have moved fastest is way out on the modern ocean floor.

Asian and African migration studies have better evidence but the core problem remains; the genetics is complicated because people were wandering around and trading and having sex in ways that don't fit into a nice thick line on a map.

Would it be possible for small villages to be buried on the sea floor as well or maybe even a larger structure like Göbekli Tepe?
That would be a really cool find.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

withak posted:

Yeah, a lot of the ways that we use to guess at where to dig don't work so well if the entire area is covered in tens of feet of soft sediment, not to mention underwater.

Well yeah. :(
Maybe one we will be able to find something with small drones or something.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

kustomkarkommando posted:

Apart from the "I Hate Muslims" stuff if you look closely that map's got a Greater Albania, Kosovo has been annexed by Albania (though Western Macedonia is untouched which is weird). Gotta love Balkan irredentism.

First up Greece, here's the borders proposed by the Greek delegation to the 1919 Paris peace conference for Greece after WW1


Greece: "Yeah we pretty much want the byzantine empire back."
I almost understand granting northern eprius, thrace, the islands and Smyrna back to greece but were there seriously any greeks left in northern Anatolia, southern bulgaria and southwest Anatolia at that point? :psyduck:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Oh heres a good one.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Vegetable posted:

How did Austria-Hungary discover some obscure stretch of land just off Russia's coast?

Most likely they funded an artic expedition in the late 1800s.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Kainser posted:

I'm impressed that Iceland apparently has the third most expensive McDonald's burger without actually having a McDonald's.

Also Indonesia being two countries.

It might be banned/non-existent on a per province level.
Also isn't icelands currency still in the shitter or do all the imports cost that much?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

HookShot posted:

Why did Chile and Argentina choose the time zones they're in?

I guess its yet another way for countries to show how much they dislike each other.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

The Ethiopian church is genuinely different though since they keep about 81 books in the bible vs the 66 of the protestant church.
They also follow the old testament rules much more heavily (they dont eat pork for example) and do their liturgy in Ge'ez while most of the locals speak Amharic.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

QVC Drinking Game posted:

I'm a little surprised how dark Argentina is outside of Buenos Aires; same with Chile. Do those countries just have very concentrated population centers with not much between them (like the US mountain west), or is that a reflection of rural poverty?

Patagonia is not really that populated (only about 2 million people for both chile and Argentina) and I doubt many people want to live on the literal freezing rear end end of the world. :v:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Haschel Cedricson posted:

I took a geopolitics class in college where one of our texts was called "Canada and the United States: Differences That Count".

It was actually a good book, but the title came off as sounding a little desperate.

Any choice factoids from it?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Shbobdb posted:

I dunno man, ask any Chinese and they'll tell you that Genghis Khan was Chinese and under his rule China became the largest that it ever was.

It doesn't make sense, but hey! That is what makes nationalism fun. Though even Chinese Nationalists don't want that kinda territory.

Isn't there this paranoia in Russia about the chinese hordes flooding across the border and annexing the russian far east? I mean wasn't modern mongolia established as a buffer state between russia and china or am I getting something mixed up?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Fojar38 posted:

That's astonishingly accurate compared to the Chinese maps.

The Japanese even before westernization made a much greater effort to import western knowledge then the Chinese did and I believe made some discoveries of there own during isolation.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010



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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I definitely wouldn't call modern India a multicultural success story since it has like about half a dozen active insurgencies and persistent history of communal violence.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Soviet Commubot posted:

The extent of Breton on the current map is a bit more accurate than the 19th century map, mostly because it recognizes that there is a small brittophone minority in upper Brittany, east of the "language line" that is very clear on the 19th century map. Also, in the area designated as Breton on the 19th century map the people there were by and large monolingual Breton whereas the last monolingual speaker died several years ago. If the map only colored communities where a majority spoke the language it would look very different and probably closer to what you'd expect. That said, even east of the language line there were Breton speaking communities, the easternmost one being Batz-sur-Mer near Saint Nazaire which was Breton-speaking until the 1950s or 1960s.

Of course it's not surprising the map is more accurate regarding Breton, it was made by Mikael Bodlore-Penlaez (Michel Bolloré-Pelle officially because he was born before Breton names were legal), a Breton cartographer. His Eurominority website got hacked by angry Turks because he made this map.



Do the kurds believe that if they got their own state that it would "suck up" the remaining kurdish minorities?
Also that is an awfully big kurdistan; probably the biggest ive ever seen outside of like joke maps or something.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

wikipe tama posted:

"Pretty borders" is either a SA contained disease or half of you are cross posters from the Paradox games thread

Mapgamers seem to like maps and talking about maps news at 11. :v:
(im also a geography and urban studies major so theres that)

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Antwan3K posted:

Except during the holiday season, of course.

My country is, unsurprisingly, a disgusting mess, especially Flanders, one of the most densely populated areas in Europe. It also lacked any urban planning regulations until quite recently (the 80's I think), with predictable consequences.

Wait no planning at all, so you mean people were building poo poo up wily nilly? :psyduck:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Real hurthling! posted:

80% of PA is widely mocked and disdained by people from across the north east and mid west as Pennsyltucky.

Well did you think the Penn State rape apologism came out of nowhere or something? :v:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Anyone who has played EU4 knows that the HRE is basically thunderdome because of the 50 or so princes in it.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

kustomkarkommando posted:

Someone over at the New York Times cracked out the marker pens and had a go at drawing some new borders for the Middle East. HRE fans rejoice, looks like Free Cities are going to make a comeback!



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/opinion/sunday/imagining-a-remapped-middle-east.html?pagewanted=1

Also looks like Damascus gets destroyed in the Syrian War or something...

I think the use of -stan for countries is becoming as annoying as -gate for political scandals.

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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

A Buttery Pastry posted:



I have a sneaking suspicion that you would have a really hard time getting this to work, even if a few of the states might be perfectly happy with the situation.

:psyduck:
Its one thing to propose an independent native american homeland but its quite another to balkanize north america and heighten the chances of nukes flying.

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