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I'd just like to say that as a proud Wisconsinite, I can truly understand the Palestinian struggle. The Toledo War had nothing to do with us, we didn't take sides so we don't deserve censure (or reward, but we aren't asking for a reward). Despite that, our land was taken from us and given to a foreign power, utterly unlike us. I understand that the current residents of the UP are also blameless in this struggle, they have a right to live there, of course. To visit that injustice upon them would be to recreate the same injustice that was imposed upon us and that would be the height of barbarism. Thankfully, if you look at the current culture of the UP, you will see that it is 'Sconie to the core. As I recall, the self-determination of nations is one of the 14 points. So, all I'm saying is that there should be a plebiscite to determine whether the UP remains with the foreign occupiers at Michigan or recognize their true status as Wisconsinites. Naturally, Wisconsin Militia members need to be present in the UP to ensure that the vote is fair and that Michiganders do not use force to influence the vote. Of course, that is a pipe-dream for the future. I know it won't happen immediately. However, with the help of the Wisconsin Militia I have been able to establish a small settlement within our ancestral territory. When the plebiscite comes, these will be instrumental in ensuring that Greater Wisconsin can thrive.
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Soviet Commubot posted:I just learned that a couple of months ago at a Celtic language conference here in Brittany. poo poo blew my mind because the Cornish dude who told me that and I were speaking Breton and in Breton I don't really have an identifiably American accent despite being born and raised in Michigan, but at first I thought he was just kinda loving with me. To be fair, it is easy not to have an identifiable accent in a language no one speaks. I mean, no one hears my American accent when I speak Kemetic.
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Does anybody have a map of alcoholic beverages over time? I'd be interested to see things like how products spread. The spread of Chicha and Pulque in the New World meets European beverages. I'd like to see how that tracks with colonialism. Ditto with Asia. Also, within Europe. The Lager (and more importantly, Pilsner) Revolution really changed beer. Likewise with the current craft beer revolution in America and the world in general. Another interesting thing would be alcohol tax vs craft beer revolution just because it seems like pigouvian taxation drives people to drink better beer (counter argument: Singapore) but even if true it still has to go against tradition (think about how Stouts changed as an effect of pigouvian taxation). I'd like Ditto with Pasteurization and other things. Very broad question, so anything you've got is great. I just love fermentation.
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Thanks. Yeah, I've got a lot of the actual history down. But that is why I think it would be super cool to see it in map form, you know? We should see if we can get a big ol' history of food and drink megathread going. That would be sweet. As for corn-based beverages, well, you can't malt corn. The easiest source of amylase is either saliva (Chicha) or malted grain (American lagers). Though the quintessential American drink figured that out in Bourbon. Sweetest of the brown liquors. I'm more surprised that maple sap wasn't fermented! Someone had to have left that poo poo out for a while at some point.
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Sorry, I misspoke. I've got the overall trends of the history down. Not actual data. I was overly casual in a written medium, my bad.
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Sure, we can get the amylases we want now thanks to BIOCHEMISTRY. Since gluten free is a big fad right now, I see it going a lot of interesting places. Heck, microbiology got its start with Pasteur, who was in the pocket of big wine. Biochem got its start because it was in the pocket of big beer (and to a lesser extent, big liquor). We can do whatever we want now. We are so drunk on our own power. I'm being general rather than specific primarily because I don't know what is out there. I figured a broad "what do you have?" is better than "I want X specifically". Then again, that is my personality . . . and mine is a personality unlikely to have a bunch of crazy maps available at my fingertips. A disadvantage in my case that may lead to miscommunication.
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The Case of Poland and the Bathing Jew seems refuted by Spain. Muslim bathing habits were also quite fastidious and Spanish Christians by-and-large adopted them as well. Isolation seems a better example, since Spain was a hub for trade and Poland . . . wasn't.
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May 24, 2013 19:25
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Ofaloaf posted:In the Southern Victory series, it's remnants of the Republicans who become socialists (something about the party imploding and an elderly and defeated Abe Lincoln reading Marx), while the Democrats maintain a more conservative role-- that story's Theodore Roosevelt is a Democrat, if memory serves, while Al Smith is a Socialist Party member and the socialists control the urban machines. Radical Republicans transitioning to socialism isn't terribly surprising. A party that was all about giving an oppressed agrarian class land and enfranchising them at the expense of an entrenched aristocracy sounds positively Maoist. The Republicans, even the radical Republicans, had more modest "domestic" concerns in the north, but given discussions at the time about "wage slavery" it isn't much of a stretch to have them go pretty far left. There is a lot to poo poo on with the Turtledove series. Turtledove in general. I mean, sex scenes, copy-and-paste history, essentialism, the CSA as not only a coherent and lasting political union but one that was sufficiently centralized where its national government played a major role as early as twenty years after the Civil War . . . The list goes on. But having Republicans stay the left-wing party and gravitate further left as time goes on. Well, that makes a certain amount of sense. Doubly-so since their having lost the war basically placed them in perpetual opposition.
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tractor fanatic posted:I don't get why people get offended by this. They obviously don't actually think you know the person they're asking about, but on the off chance you do, it's a great small-world moment. I think most ex-pats have actually had that line work. It gets asked at such an annoying high frequency that you kinda tune it out but when it works, WHOA. When I lived in Germany, I'd get asked, "Oh, you're from the US, do you know so-and-so or so-and-so?" all the time. All the time. Worked once. Holy gently caress was that crazy. A lot of my American buddies had similar stories. In my case it was totally a friend-of-a-friend thing, real distant. Still crazy but nothing worth bragging about. My buddy, on the other hand, she had a great story. She hooked up with a guy at a bar and found out that he knew a guy she dated in middle school. Coming from Milwaukee, I'd often describe where I came from as "near Chicago" and when that didn't work "near Detroit". That was usually enough, though I'm fairly confident that if I asked them to point to "Chicago" or "Detroit" on a blank map of the US they'd be totally, and I mean totally, hosed. That's fair, not a big deal. But they knew what "Chicago" and "Detroit" were, you know? The trick came when people knew enough to be dangerous. Because rather than accepting "Chicago" or "Detroit" as abstractions they wanted something concrete. That pretty much always lead to me saying, "Yes, I'm from Texas." Because that was what they wanted to hear.
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Soviet Commubot posted:I've been an ex-pat for 3 years and I honestly don't think I've ever been asked if I know Bob from City, State yes. I did recently start teaching English so maybe it'll start. I'm guessing that splinter populations like Breton nationalists are going to be more aware of how those kinds of questions come off. They are also likely less cosmopolitan than more "mainstream" components of the population. A parallel from my time in Germany, it was very rare for a Turk to ask me if I knew so-and-so from such-a-place in America. No doubt because they got the same "all Turks know each other" treatment and they came from poorer backgrounds so they were less able to have met other Americans. Even the better off ones tended to head back to Turkey rather than the US or some other tourist mecca where they could have encountered American tourists. I'm guessing all of those apply to Bretons in France.
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Peanut President posted:You want to hear about stupid time zones look up Arziona. They are the only state in the Union not to observe Daylight Savings. The Navajo Nation does, however. Indiana was another weird one, originally on Central Time, most of the state eventually switched to Eastern. Some counties didn't observe daylight savings so Indiana ended up with 3 time zones: Eastern, Indiana Central, and Central. Finally the state told the Indiana Central time zone counties to pick Eastern or Central, almost all of them switched to Eastern. Dude, not observing DST isn't stupid, it is awesome. DST is the loving worse. The only people who benefit from it are capitalist oppressors. Living in Indiana when it had no DST was the best  I left the state shortly after the change because it wasn't worth living there anymore.
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Peanut President posted:DST is great you monster. Or would you rather the sun come up at 3:45 in the morning in June? Better than killing people http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc0807104 http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/11/news/la-heb-daylight-saving-time-health-dangers-20130311 http://gizmodo.com/5891801/springing-forward-with-daylight-savings-could-kill-you And why would I give a gently caress when the sun comes up or goes down? I live in a first world country with electricity.
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Aug 23, 2013 20:52
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Phlegmish posted:Wow, I've never met anyone who felt strongly about daylight saving time. Did it make you miss a flight once, Shbobdb? I became a flier after I moved from Indiana. So it never made me miss a flight. But boy do I hate DST. George Vernon Hudson is history's greatest monster.
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eSports Chaebol posted:You [probably] jest, but technology really is reaching the point where it would be feasible to revert to local time instead of railway time with its arbitrary timezones And local currency? rLOVEution? I'm all for the pernicious influence of capital on society but really? Local time?
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Clearly Greater China would be the borders of the Yuan Dynasty http://yanxishan.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/8-most-impressive-dyansty-the-yuan/
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steinrokkan posted:Qing was definitely bigger in terms of actual control over Chinese provinces, (if we consider taxation to be the metric of government, Kublai's control was very much diminished in the lower reaches of China while 18th century Qing was the apex of Imperial control, probably greater than any other Chinese state). Also that previous map included a broad range of Mongolian conquests under the misleading header of Yuan. I dunno man, ask any Chinese and they'll tell you that Genghis Khan was Chinese and under his rule China became the largest that it ever was. It doesn't make sense, but hey! That is what makes nationalism fun. Though even Chinese Nationalists don't want that kinda territory.
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The Prince of Bohemia was an Elector. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-elector Sure, he was kinda viewed as an outsider king . . . or at least that Bohemia wasn't as German as the other parts of the HRE but it was still part of the whole deal.
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In order to properly determine race, modern phrenological methods must be used! This "self-reporting" fad creates too many ambiguities! (Is Tumblr leeching still allowed? If not, I'll delete the link)
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I think what was meant by "relatively tame" isn't in terms of rhetoric but in terms of action. Americans are xenophobic as hell but by all appearances we are less likely to shave our heads, go out, and start killing immigrants/minorities. Contrast that with, say, Eastern Europe where there is all kinds of xenophobia coupled with massive amounts of widely reported violence. While certainly less violent than Eastern Europe, you've also got areas in France, Germany and the UK where "Tea Party"-type groups are actively beating up minorities in a way that the US doesn't appear to have. I'd argue a lot of that has to do with the massive amount of systemic racism in the US. Instead of being violent 18 year old skinheads going out trying to commit violence on minorities, in the US we have fairly normal looking dudes who were just trying to protect themselves (see: George Zimmerman). That changes how racially motivated crime gets reported on by the police as well as the media. "The Dirty so-and-so was trying to rob/attack me so I shot him in self defense!" plays very differently from "Heil Hitler! We have to maintain the purity of our country and race!" Even if what they are saying is functionally the same thing. Not that America doesn't also have the latter, but the nasty racist skinhead/neo-nazi culture seems to have greater penetrance in Europe.
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The whole anti-Roma thing is so . . . strange. When I lived in Germany, I got attacked by a group of three kids, couldn't have been older than ten because I was a "Gypsie". I'm not, I look like an Eastern European/Eastern European Jew. I will say beating up kids is every bit as satisfying as you'd think it is. Surreal experience.
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Phlegmish posted:Really? And where's that? Without wanting to It's you. You are the real racist. http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/263-CS-RV-NR-FR.pdf
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First, two things: 1) Way to focus on one part of the paper in order to dismiss the rest. 2) gently caress you for assuming anyone who points of differences between regions is asserting regional exceptionalism. Saying the opponent is claiming "American Exceptionalism" is a piss-poor rhetorical device to deflect criticism. You want to talk regions of France where minorities get violently hosed with? How about violent anti-gay protests in Paris? How about Marseille and Lille where right-wing mobs attacked Roma villages and burnt them to the ground? How about the loving GUD? Or just go to Aix or Marseille at night and look around. Plenty of 18 year old skinheads to see. Sure, it isn't Rostock but it ain't pretty. Unless things have changed dramatically in the last eight years since I was there (which is possible, though I don't find it likely). It was intimidating as gently caress. That work for ya?
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NewtGoongrich posted:There's some alternate reality where you can order "He-Brew the Beer Brewed in Hebrewland by Hebrews" http://www.shmaltzbrewing.com/HEBREW/ You don't need to go to an alternate universe for that.
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Emanuel Collective posted:Thanks. I was mostly hoping to see a sea of blue start chipping away at Texas but I guess I'll have to wait for the next map. The whole "red" vs "green" debate creeps up a lot but how about a map where we can actually see the loving distinctions? Edit: Obligatory D&D: DIE ABLEIST SCUM! It means "THE ABLEIST SCUM" in German. Edit 2: Also, my struggle is the same as the true Nubian Egyptians. Seeking recognition because we are all the same. And by that I mean, Ancient Egypt was 100% black. Their use of Greywacke is proof. Shbobdb fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Come on, I'm sure Americans would love to go visit a town with a single lovely pizzeria/hotdog stand, where the single most common vehicle is a Puch Maxi moped with a milk crate on the back for beers. I dunno, myself and other goons gave around 14K to some dude in a town so he could make a hotdog stand. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Besides, in Germany it would be a lovely Doener Bude :cobert:.
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For a second that map looked like it was from sea to shining sea and I was thinking, "drat, dream on you ambitious little motherfucker". Then I read the locations and realized I am just colorblind as gently caress.
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Rajssejn Freijheijt. Flemish always looks like German with a lot of "j"s thrown in. And demons sodomizing people. Does that make me a racist?
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Craniometric analysis of the Balkan people clearly demonstrates that they will always be at war with each other.
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I can't speak to other European countries but from my time living in Germany, regional nationalism is HUGE. When I lived in Stralsund, Ostalgie was really getting big, plus the whole area was shitkicked by reunification so there was a lot of DDR-related pride. When I hopped on over to Cologne it was all about Cologne and gently caress Dusseldorf and aren't the Bavarians a bunch of dorks and gently caress the lazy Ossies. Talking with my buddies who lived in the North, it seems like most Northern cities are that way. Then there is Bavaria, where it is less "Munich vs. Nuremburg" and more "Bavaria vs Everybody else". So you have the former East and Bavaria expressing "regional nationalism" and the rest of the former West Germany expressing a lot of civic nationalism. Anybody who expressed anything resembling "German Nationalism" was likely to go through a lot of razors. It ain't easy keeping your head shaved.
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Blood type was a big thing like phrenology. It is an early 20th/late 19th century pseudo-science and the Japanese latched onto it hardcore during the Meiji. It is a form of scientific racism. Edit: Holy gently caress, I was wrong. It is a form of scientific racism that the Japanese latched onto hardcore in the 1970s. That is even worse.
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Most people live north of the equator and HOLY poo poo, CHINA AND INDIA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE. As an interesting aside: HOLY poo poo, loving NOBODY LIVES IN AMERICA. It does a really good job representing those points. While they should be well known, showing the scale of it is really neat. Sure, it is a "gimmick" map in the same way that 70% of all the maps in this thread are "gimmicks", the remaining 30% mainly comprised of "historical gimmicks" but still gimmicks . . . and then every ten pages or so we actually get a map that clarifies a disputed border region. Note: most of those are also gimmicks showing really crazy borders.
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Protocol 5 posted:More importantly, some stupid loving rocks in the middle of nowhere are not worth going to war over for any of the parties involved in the disputes, never mind potential oil/gas fields, EEZ borders, fishing rights what have you. The insane cost of a war both diplomatically and economically due to disruption of trade dwarfs any potential gains any of the concerned parties could stand to receive. The only way you could reasonably be worried about a war over these disputes is if you believed the governments of China,South Korea, and/or Japan were run by lunatics. By keeping their status in a diplomatic limbo, nobody wins, but nobody loses either, hence no one loses face, and business goes on as usual. Counterpoint: 19th Century Europe and/or the Falklands. Nationalism isn't rational. Right now I agree it is the kind of stalemate you describe, but that can change pretty quickly.
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Given the role the Golden Horde played in the creation of the Russian state (both in actuality as well as mythically), it makes sense for the Russians to care about that sort of thing. What the Russians did in Europe after WWII is psychologically similar to what they had been doing to China/Mongolia for 300+ years. I mean, a collection of formerly vassal states brought together by the collective vision of their respective people to repel the invader and create a secure fortress (and all generation will honor her name). That's been Russia's MO for 300+ years, shining in glory for all men to see.
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DrSunshine posted:What if instead of actually forming an interstate pact, the states all just sort of "did" something at once, but as separate legislatures? Isn't that what that plan basically entails? Thats a fine idea, as long as all the blue states do it first, as a sign of good faith. The red states will follow through before the next national election, pinky promise.
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Albino Squirrel posted:You mean besides the term "a terrible idea"? Why are they a bad idea? I want to buy booze on my way home from work. May as well make it quick and efficient. I mean, I haven't lived where they exist but they make sense to me. I mean, when I used to drive commute, I'd have killed to simplify the experience. It's still illegal to drink and drive.
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Albino Squirrel posted:Mostly poor optics ("Up on the sidewalk, boom boom boom!"); I concede that there likely isn't an increase in drinking and driving. I'm sympathetic to those arguments, but at the end of the day I'm not always looking for fancy feast, sometimes I just want an old friend. For me, that is Bitburger. Simple, unpretentious, wunderbar! But things like Bell's Two-Hearted would have served just as well but is less likely to come in singles. Now that I live in Cali, it is easy to default to Stone. I unabashedly love all those beers, but I also view them as "old friends" where I don't really need to "think" or "spend time" ordering them. I grab 'em, drink 'em and forget 'em. That's part of the experience I'm looking for. If someone else finds the same solace in Coors light ("lite" is a Miller trademark, and despite the current co-ownership we need to support tradition), who am I to say "no!"? Their lovely choice is their lovely choice. Maybe they just want to get blasted. I can't argue with that, I'm drinking craft beer not exclusive teas and coffees. The intoxicating properties are part of the appeal. Maybe they are nostalgic for what they grew up with. I can't argue with that, I learned how to drink beer in Germany so I've got a huge soft-spot for lovely Euro-lagers -- and a deep, abiding love of a proper Pils. Not my place to poo poo on someone's fond memories, that is what assholes do. Or maybe they just genuinely like the flavor. I know that means they are a deeply broken individual, I agree with you. It tastes like piss. I can be snobbish (and I am often snobbish, I'm a real piece of poo poo) but I'm not enough of a snob to say "You shouldn't be able to buy Coors Light". Instead, I'd rather address the systemic issues that makes people drink pissshit as opposed to try and ineffectually discourage them from drinking pissshit.
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a travelling HEGEL posted:German is my second language and Dutch sounds like German to me except that I don't know what the hell is going on. Everyone says I can work my way into knowing Dutch if I know German and English already but it isn't true, it is not true at all. Because of my German and English I can actually read Dutch pretty effectively. For some words, the English helps, for others the German helps and that gives me enough context clues to figure out the rest. The problem is that I have to sound out the words, so I look like an idiot since my mouth is moving while I am reading. Understanding it when spoken is much more difficult, because the way I do it is more of a "chinese room" cobbling together symbols.
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Mods, threadname change request: "Politically-loaded Maps: Dutch appreciation station".
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