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knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

theflyingexecutive posted:

I'm in NY and would have to go back to school for a CLT cert for any lab tech job and for most research tech/assocoate jobs I would be unqualified without a PhD.

I'm sure you could land a clinical research associate job at a contract research organisation. Likely mostly remote. Alternatively a clinical research assistant or maybe coordinator job.

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knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

moana posted:

What the gently caress does an ontologist do?

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Yea I agree. I was going to suggest "Metaphysicist" as the job title

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Bayham Badger posted:

working in craft beer sales and brewery operations (briefly) for the last five years

academic experience (I mastered out of a phd program in life sciences in the mid 2010s

entry level job for a biotech

I meet/exceed all of the qualifications

Can I ask what kind of biotech and what role within it? What masters and undergrad?

I've worked in pharma and biotech companies for quite a while and am a hiring manager now, though not for really entry level jobs (though that means different things).

I think the main issue is that really entry level jobs like admin are not going to be looking for scientific knowledge, just experience in similar role and company. If you do interview for one of those positions it will be hard to get over the assumption that you'll move on very quickly.

Biotech sales would likely be a good avenue to look at as you have experience selling stuff and will be able to talk the scientific language. It would be worthwhile doing some short online education in the therapeutic area of the target company so you're really clued in to the subject.

But yeah if you give more detail on what you're looking at I might be able to help better. There's also the CV thread which will give good advice on how to present your experience.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Yeah nicely summarised Kyoon. Worth a go with that job you've found but I think it's going to be a tough sell (lol) to convince them you'll just step back into bench science.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

skylined! posted:

I want to work in the climate change field (reducing it not encouraging it).

My partner works in corporate environmental sustainability which could be a good climate related option that pays well. I can ask her about routes in to the field, but I do know there is a lot of work in sustainability strategy and specifically sustainability reporting currently.

Basically all companies are simultaneously deciding they need to do annual sustainability reports, and don't have the expertise in house. Yes this could mean working for bad-guy megacorps, but it is also a way to have a big impact.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

I also think project management is a good fit. While you're getting started and/or certified with that kind of thing you could make some money doing personal assistant work? I mention that because I started employing one myself and there are a bunch of people online doing it. Your experience would mean you can just get started with a web page. There are lovely gig economy employers but you can potentially avoid these if you go solo.

My PA mostly works for businesses (but also me as a private client because ADHD regularly fucks my poo poo up).

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Excrucian posted:

This is something I need to seriously consider no matter what direction I go long-term. How did you find your PA? Is there a specific good place to put myself out there?

I found her on LinkedIn. I'm sure there are more specialised websites in the US, but in my case I live in a small country and wanted to find someone who lived nearby and was bilingual English/French so there are probably only a handful of candidates.

For reference I pay her 80 Fr /hour (= 80 USD) which feels like a decent income if you have enough clients.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

I don't think it's "a problem" to be interviewing after 7 months if the job is not a good fit. A year will look better if you can stand it.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

elise the great posted:

I successfully negotiated myself a 13% raise, and by “negotiated” I mean “basically staged a hostage situation.” I got my lowest-paid staff raises too. Turns out they DESPERATELY don’t want me to leave.

Now I’m left to confront the fact that I don’t want to do this job anymore for any money. I am so loving tired. The director is finally taking us seriously about how overworked and exhausted the supervisors and managers are, but I’m too burnt out to think straight.

I have a gently caress ton of applicable skills in all sorts of fields but LITERALLY no idea how to even find jobs to apply to. I feel like I’m gonna have to quit, spend a month or so living off my 200hrs of vacation time I can’t use while working because I can’t handle the recovery period when I come back after missing even two days in a row, and maybe take a short term job working as a bedside nurse while I figure out what the gently caress to do next. I do not want to be a nurse manager. I want to work remotely and make systems and run projects and be able to get ahead sometimes.

I forget what area of medicine you work in but I highly recommend clinical research at a biotech or pharma company. It is slightly tricky to make the move from clinic -> industry so the best thing is to target a smaller company that needs expertise in the disease area you've been working in.

Let me know if you happen to work in heme-onc or autoimmune disease in NJ, Seattle or SF and are looking to make this kind of move.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Ham Equity posted:

As an IC in an IT roll, money has so far been largely negatively correlated with stress. I make more now than I've ever made before, and in my least-stressful role.

Touch computer.

When you're working out your household income do you include everyone in the polycule or just the primary couple?

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

DTaeKim posted:

Still in hospital pharmacy after 13 years but managed to snag a position where I'm now underworked and overpaid. No real opportunities for advancement though and I'm still trying to transition to industry.

Currently studying for an oncology certification which I'm hoping helps my resume. In the meantime, I'm thinking of picking up a position at a community college teaching future pharmacy technicians. What should I expect? Is this a bad idea to add to a full-time workload?

I can't answer your actual question but I can answer questions about getting into industry. What job are you targeting?

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

DTaeKim posted:

Nothing specific. I'm kind of at a loss because I've been targeting medical science liaison jobs because it seems to be the most logical step but I presume I fail because I lack networking.

I've been told I can break into clinical pharmacology with a PharmD degree but my work experience is more end-user related, not as much research and clinical pharmacology. I am a quick learner and have delved into some reading on the side, but nothing specific as I lack direction.

Sorry for the delay getting back.

So. You really need to work out what specific niche you want to work in. The pharma industry is huge and broad and has lots of specialisation that does not transfer directly to other specialties. If it's medical affairs / MSL you want to do then fine but you should consider that as the industry you're looking at.

My impression is that you don't have enough relevant experience to get through the initial screen. To work effectively as a MSL you need to be able to discuss the therapy you're working on with physicians who are key opinion leaders, and that means having very good therapeutic area experience (in a medical way rather pharmacy way) and facility with all the research context for competing therapies. A PharmD is a good start but you need to have some way to demonstrate how you will do the above and what value you will bring.

I would not really think clinical pharmacology is a natural fit, they are really stats heavy rather than pharmacy, I may be wrong though.

My own work is in clinical development, so designing and running clinical trials. We get lots of PharmDs coming in to clinical science, but you need to bring something to the table in one or more of: deep therapeutic area experience (eg, heme-onc), therapy experience (eg, cell therapy), clinical research experience, pharma industry experience. A straight PharmD doesn't cut it. I'm not a pharmacist I'm a medical scientist, but what qualified my entry to industry in clinical science was many years of clinical research experience in heme-onc / HSCT and gene therapy, to get a junior clinical scientist position.

I'm not sure what point you're at in your career but a PharmD fellowship is an excellent way to get into an industry job. (I actually don't really like hiring PharmD fellows because their expectations are high compared to their experience, but it is a good route for the individual). Failing that you could look at getting research experience at a hospital (and hospital inpatient pharmacy experience is a different league from retail).

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

DTaeKim posted:

I've actually been working as an oncology specialty pharmacist for 13 years with involvement in running clinical trials, mostly on execution and the pharmacy side. I think I'm falling short because of the lack of networking and the fact I'm working for a less prestigious hospital system in a major city (I had one interviewer tell me that if I had worked at one of the research hospitals in the city as opposed to a suburban one, I'd be a better candidate).

I think they are right, you would be a better candidate.

The trick is that making the step from the clinic to industry is always going to be hard, and employers will always treat you like you're an unknown quantity - and they are right. Your existing experience is related but it is not the same as industry experience. It is annoying but you need someone to take a chance that you will transfer well.

Things you can do: if you have specific experience with niche therapies then target companies investing in those therapies. It is beneficial to target smaller companies that specialise in that type of therapy as you can be a real benefit to them. Get lots of applications out to increase the chance of a bite.

Additionally, get yourself to conferences and tap up people that can get you an interview. If you want to get into clinical development I would head for poster sessions and speak to the presenters there, they will most likely be clinical team. Again target whatever niche interest you have. Don't bother with the booths, they'll be commercial types and not of use to you.

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knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

May be different in your sector but that sounds like a bad mix of management and IC work to me. It's very tricky to balance personally producing the output and at the same time managing the people doing it. I've had to do that a couple of times, especially when key staff have left, and it's not great.

It is possible that the bonus structure could make up for the base salary, but again it's not a good sign they won't tell you what that is.

Ultimately getting onto a management track is usually the best route to getting the big bucks, and it could be worthwhile taking a salary hit and starting to look for your next move immediately. I don't think this offer is a good one though.

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