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ded posted:I know what the fathometer of an Oscar II sounds like. Kursk came to my mind for some reason.
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Nov 15, 2013 18:33
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genderstomper58 posted:grover can you tell us some sea stories please Once we were trying to bring some lagging onboard and the riggers were late. War is hell.
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Nov 15, 2013 18:43
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My first Captain was a bit daft, and would get these ideas in his head that MUST be addressed right away. One Monday the CO comes aboard and says "I had a dream that the ballast is wrong on my ship. Dive officer, recalculate the ballast!" And because our Dive Officer sucked any dick that had brass on it, he complied and "Found a discrepancy, sir!" With such evidence, a request to load 10,000 LBS of lead was put into squadron, and 10,000LBS of lead was delivered to the pier. But no, our Captain could not wait! It must be loaded NOW! What happens if, dare say, the pier were to POOF vanish into thin air! And so our Dive Officer decided he would load the lead NOW, before squadron had their say. Into a line we went, all 100 sailors we, and loaded 10,000LBS of lead from pier to ship. From dawn to dusk we worked, moving this lead, and it was at days end that, with a sigh of relief, we completed our task. We clasped hands and slapped backs, enjoying our feat. But lo comes squadron, with their results. What is this, the calculations were wrong? The ballast was right all along! And so back into a line we went, at 1735; the lead must come off, after all...
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Nov 15, 2013 22:35
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Sacrilage posted:My first Captain was a bit daft, and would get these ideas in his head that MUST be addressed right away. One Monday the CO comes aboard and says "I had a dream that the ballast is wrong on my ship. Dive officer, recalculate the ballast!" And because our Dive Officer sucked any dick that had brass on it, he complied and "Found a discrepancy, sir!" With such evidence, a request to load 10,000 LBS of lead was put into squadron, and 10,000LBS of lead was delivered to the pier. Jesus christ that dive officer  . Learn to double check things before wasting a thousand man hours worth of time and effort
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Nov 16, 2013 01:26
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Well it's not like you had better things to do. Besides, consider it training for a stores load. or something. Where the gently caress did you put all that lead?
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Nov 16, 2013 04:23
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Fart Sandwiches posted:Well it's not like you had better things to do. Besides, consider it training for a stores load. or something. thats not really a great volume of lead mate :aspie: :imagiantqueer"
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Nov 16, 2013 06:29
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when i complete my film and become famous im gonna explain to obama or whomever what a goon is and then you are all court marshalled for being anywhere near anything classified or nuclear
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Nov 16, 2013 07:01
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Internet Storm posted:when i complete my film and become famous im gonna explain to obama or whomever what a goon is and then you are all court marshalled for being anywhere near anything classified or nuclear ok w/ me
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Nov 16, 2013 07:08
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Internet Storm posted:when i complete my film and become famous im gonna explain to obama or whomever what a goon is and then you are all court marshalled for being anywhere near anything classified or nuclear  If only we could be so lucky; I'm sure they have a waiver for that.
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Nov 16, 2013 16:15
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Koesj posted:drat, you were in during the salad days. Best liberty: Thailand. But only before the rest of the battle group gets there, then it's a loving wild west show. Our TMC was drooling over with the chick who did the razor blade show at the Caligula in Pattaya. He would not shut the gently caress up about her. I paid the mamasan for her number badge (that was a hoot, she couldn't not understand why I wanted the badge, and not the woman. Had my own, and she didn't have anything to do with sharp pbjects in the clam). So, we're back underway, about 3 weeks outside of P. TMC is still whining about that chick, and as the dive I've been listening to that poo poo for too long. I pull teh number badge from my pocket, and say "Oh, this chick?". Control goes deathly silent, and he comes over the planesman chair at me. Arms flailing, cursing up a storm, I'm in a ball laughing my rear end off, along with the control room party. COB storms in with the usual WTF pose. I still have that badge. Hat's off to you current folks, with all these chickenshit rules, regs and micromanagement (officer of the deck talking directly to operators on the Virginias? gently caress that) I couldn't do it. But, when you don't have a mission, the minutiae becomes the driving factor. Fav unclass story not involving Thai trim : Tied outboard some loving tender in Norfolk (we were a Groton boat), get some stores and poo poo after local ops, and before heading north on a spec op. Tide's ebbing, we need to get going immediately. At Manuevering Watch, I'm forward topside chief, and the tender decides to hold a nuke weapons security violation drill. So, no line handling support from the tender. Order comes from the bridge: "Cut the lines" (tender provided). I ask the talker to repeat the message. Captain leans over the playpen and yells "Cut the loving lines chief". Cheery Aye Aye. Fireaxe meets us at the weapon shipping hatch, and cutting commences. Tell ya, HY80 doesn't work well as a backstop for an axe. Commodore and tender captain on the deck yelling down to CO, man were they pissed. His response "I don't work for you". Goddamn that man had some sack. Seriously doubt that would ever fly now. Won the Battle "e" that year, successful op, Cap relieved at scheduled time and made admiral.
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Nov 17, 2013 16:38
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That is awesome; yeah, tender CO's play the politics game these days, so sad to say that story would unlikely repeat itself. But thanks for making my day! That's great that your CO made flag; too often the Sub guys lose out on Admiral because the pilots and surface guys have so much representation at the boards. E: Great Thailand story by the way. Your razor chick (or her apprentice; she looked real young) is still in business as of 6 months ago.
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Nov 17, 2013 16:55
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Sacrilage posted:E: Great Thailand story by the way. Your razor chick (or her apprentice; she looked real young) is still in business as of 6 months ago.
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Nov 17, 2013 17:10
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a-gang were only cool coners imo death to anyone in control
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Nov 17, 2013 17:20
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A-gangers were engineering's bastard children. They had as much poo poo work to do as the nukes, but they didn't get the pro-pay.
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Nov 17, 2013 18:51
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Mad Dragon posted:A-gangers were engineering's bastard children. They had as much poo poo work to do Lord knows that part was accurate
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Nov 17, 2013 20:20
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I'm dumb, what's the deal with the number badge part of your story?
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Nov 17, 2013 20:35
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In some of the bigger places, you'd tell the mamasan what girl you wanted by her number, which was displayed on a badge.
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Nov 17, 2013 20:55
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Out of curiosity, do any of you fellow submariners have SELRES experience, or want to weigh in on the IRR/SELRES choice? I'm leaning towards IRR, just because I'm not sure how often or when sub guys get mobilized, and I'm pretty sure the marriage wouldn't last another unscheduled deployment.
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Nov 26, 2013 21:03
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I just got off a month long probation and I'm not going to let this thread slip under the waves. Is there any discussion among Sub officers about the faulty Mk14 torp during early WWII? I can't imagine how aggravating it must have been to score dud hits... Since the USN doesn't operate diesel subs this question might not violate OPSEC: what are the strategies for operating the diesel engines? Do they sit still while charging? When in transit do diesels move at periscope/snorkel depth or surfaced?
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Dec 23, 2013 12:50
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Baloogan posted:I just got off a month long probation and I'm not going to let this thread slip under the waves. If you get a chance, skip down to the local Library and see if they have Silent Victory. There's a good background of how the Mk14 got so hosed up and what the captains had to say about it. TL;DR the Navy told them they were nuts until sub commanders started officially reporting a ton of dud strikes. They were pissed. Also, that's a drat good book overall for some WWII Sub history. I have no idea about modern conventionals, as with the advent of AIO (Air-Independent Operation) diesels can stay down for a couple weeks at a time. They are quite a bit slower than nuc boats while submerged.
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Dec 23, 2013 15:02
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Baloogan posted:Since the USN doesn't operate diesel subs this question might not violate OPSEC: what are the strategies for operating the diesel engines? Do they sit still while charging? When in transit do diesels move at periscope/snorkel depth or surfaced? Yeah this is extremely classified info. You have to realize no one is going to give you any specific answers to any performance related questions or operational capabilities. Surely you see the difference between asking about Mk14 torps in WWII and snorting strategies of modern diesel-electric boats? It comes off as kind of suspicious, even if it's just curiosity. Keep the thread alive but don't earn yourself a visit by very humorless guys in suits - I believe you're Canadian, bear in mind those particular humorless dudes are especially freaked out right now because of a couple of recent incidents.
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Dec 23, 2013 18:00
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Baloogan posted:When in transit do diesels move at periscope/snorkel depth or surfaced? They would probably be at snorkel depth, since if I remember right subs tend to be less stable while surfaced.
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Dec 23, 2013 18:46
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compressioncut posted:Yeah this is extremely classified info. You have to realize no one is going to give you any specific answers to any performance related questions or operational capabilities. so uh do Canadian subs have booze on board?
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Dec 24, 2013 00:31
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Baloogan posted:
Unless it is a drill or emergency you never stop the shaft from turning because it makes a real loving load noise, so you never really stop moving no matter what kind of sub it is. Old boats like in ww1/ww2 would transit on the surface because that is how they were designed, modern boats have a much different hull shape that makes life on the surface suck so again, only drills, emergency, or going into port. compressioncut posted:Yeah this is extremely classified info. You have to realize no one is going to give you any specific answers to any performance related questions or operational capabilities. This is basic poo poo that anyone can wiki dude, relax.
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Dec 24, 2013 00:57
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ded posted:Unless it is a drill or emergency you never stop the shaft from turning because it makes a real loving load noise, so you never really stop moving no matter what kind of sub it is. Haha no you can't. Jesus. Yes you can find answers to questions as to whether they would transit surfaced/submerged (usually submerged) whatever but not "what is the best way to avoid detection while snorting."
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Dec 24, 2013 03:15
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compressioncut posted:Haha no you can't. Jesus. I didn't really get that that was what he was asking, I think he was going for much simpler concepts. I do understand your concern, and even if it's on Wikipedia that doesn't mean we should confirm/deny it. This seems like safe territory, though (perhaps he's a craftier Canadian spy than we thought!) so I would've responded with most of what ded said. The control surfaces (rudder/planes) don't do poo poo without water moving over them, just like an airplane's control surfaces around stall speed, so you're going to want some forward motion to maintain depth/pitch/steerage control. Most of the countries that have agendas of long-distance naval power projection have nuclear subs, so most diesel boats are designed for fairly close to home operation. This is different from WWII where you had diesel boats traveling thousands of miles to their op area, and the designs reflect that. Even the new AIP boats aren't really intended to cross whole oceans regularly, because the countries that run them have no reason to send them that far; instead they tend to be optimized for shallow water ops, which have a very different set of design concerns. One example is the HMS Gotland, a good boat we used as a Country Orange adversary for a while; it might have had the endurance for a cross-ocean run, but it would have been a miserable time, so to get it from Sweden to San Diego they loaded it on a freighter. In wartime it probably wouldn't really have the endurance to make such a trip and have the food and fuel to actually fight once there. Perhaps the biggest counterexample to that is the Australian Collins class, which is also considered pretty crappy and is slated for replacement. Snowdens Secret fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Dec 24, 2013 |
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Dec 24, 2013 03:51
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Snowdens Secret posted:I didn't really get that that was what he was asking, I think he was going for much simpler concepts. I do understand your concern, and even if it's on Wikipedia that doesn't mean we should confirm/deny it. This seems like safe territory, though (perhaps he's a craftier Canadian spy than we thought!) so I would've responded with most of what ded said. It was a two-parter. General + near-creepy "asking for too much info." I'm not the thread police and there's plenty of neat info to read, but some of the questions asked have been pretty probing, unwittingly so or not. If you can't find the answer by Googling there's probably a pretty good reason for it, but everyone here with sub ops knowledge knows that. I was also an E-7 equivalent kinda-STG so it could just be the no-fun gene. I hate that thing. I will bow out now and take my fun extinguisher with me.
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Dec 24, 2013 04:32
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compressioncut posted:
I think you just read too much into what he asked. Ops for a diesel boat are pretty drat much the same they have ever been since the invention of the snorkel so there really isn't much secret about it anymore.
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Dec 24, 2013 04:56
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Still, even if you've found it online plastered on a dozen sites, if it's OPSEC (or worse), you can't confirm or deny it.
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Dec 24, 2013 05:18
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ded would know, he's old enough that I think his first rate was Oarsman. Keeping OPSEC in mind is always a good idea. Civilians and even other miltypes usually won't and shouldn't even realize when they're going into a grey area. Basically think of it this way: if the question could be twisted into a "How could I kill this easier" or "How could I build one harder to kill" form, then it's probably going to be dodged. Snorkeling and the tactics/tech around it were clearly intended to make boats harder to kill, so even if it seems innocent to ask about it can set off warning bells. Asking if we have booze on board is cleaner terrain. (I have no clue wrt Canadian boats and booze.)
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Dec 24, 2013 05:22
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Snowdens Secret posted:ded would know, he's old enough that I think his first rate was Oarsman. I remember when subs had quartermasters and ICmen. 
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Dec 24, 2013 05:56
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Snowdens Secret posted:(I have no clue wrt Canadian boats and booze.) Not since some time in the early 70's I'm pretty sure. Of course that doesn't include special occasions, which have a 2 beer maximum. Edit: auto correct mistake Ultimate Shrek Fan fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Dec 24, 2013 |
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Dec 24, 2013 06:01
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I stand accused of being a spy and a Canadian.  and I guess there is something hella secret about diesel subs.
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Dec 24, 2013 06:06
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Baloogan posted:I stand accused of being a spy and a Canadian. The US hasn't had a diesel boat since 1990. People are just being a bit spergy.
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Dec 24, 2013 06:12
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Baloogan posted:I stand accused of being a spy and a Canadian. Your 43 posts in the D&D CdnPoli thread threw me off.
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Dec 24, 2013 07:09
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ded posted:The US hasn't had a diesel boat since 1990. People are just being a bit spergy. Then explain this documentary. Also the USS Dolphin wasn't decommissioned until 2007.
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Dec 24, 2013 07:25
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Oh geez guys he isn't asking for anything Opsec. Yeah diesel boats come up for air, putt around a bit while charging, then go back down. I was told in the crews mess the other day that the Swedes can charge air into their diesel from compressed tanks and therefore run it submerged.
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Dec 24, 2013 07:41
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PLANES CURE TOWERS posted:Then explain this documentary. Research boat. That thing went down to some scary motherfucking depths. A a-ganger from my boat transferred to it.
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Baloogan posted:I stand accused of being a spy and a Canadian.
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